Will you buy the Note 8 without a fingerprint sensor under the screen?

[PsychDoc]

Didn't a Samsung official state flat out it wasn't happening because of technical issues?

Also I'm not sure why people are disappointed in Samsung here. Apple develops this tech in-house since they bought Authentec and can throw as much manpower as they need at it. Samsung has no such luxury.

Blah, blah blah. At the end of the day it comes down to this... Apple is going to eat Samsung's lunch. Samsung could just as easily have bought that smaller company. You gotta make the right moves at the right times. Simply stated, Samsung got beaten to the punch again.
Very sad.

 

[JHBThree]

Blah, blah blah. At the end of the day it comes down to this... Apple is going to eat Samsung's lunch. Samsung could just as easily have bought that smaller company. You gotta make the right moves at the right times. Simply stated, Samsung got beaten to the punch again.
Very sad.

Samsung had no reason to buy one of those companies. Apple does it because they sell in high enough volume that they want complete control of their supply chain where they can. Synaptics told Samsung they could pull off an embedded reader, but it's more difficult than anyone thought. The only reason apple is going to pull it off is because they can throw people at the problem, while synaptics is limited. (they have other customers, after all)

 

[jhimmel]

Blah, blah blah. At the end of the day it comes down to this... Apple is going to eat Samsung's lunch. Samsung could just as easily have bought that smaller company. You gotta make the right moves at the right times. Simply stated, Samsung got beaten to the punch again.
Very sad.

Sometimes Apple wins, sometimes Samsung does. It disappointing, but I'm bothered more about the battery rumor. The battery is completely under their control - not a new technology that they are struggling to perfect like the embedded FPS. People say it over, and over, and over again - make the phone just a bit thicker and give us a stout battery. Why does that not seem to get through to them??? I saw the explanation and drawings showing why the Note 7 battery was at risk. Looks like a pretty simple issue for engineers to avoid. No one I know cares if the phone gets a little thicker if it means a great battery. No one.
Sorry about dragging this off topic. Obviously the embedded FPS is not easy to implement. I'm guessing they are having difficulty getting it to a reliability level that is suitable for a security feature.

 

[chyeo1979]

All of us who avoided S8 because of the FPS sensor position now look like fools, thinking Samsung will actually listen lol. Well done Samsung

 

[PsychDoc]

Sometimes Apple wins, sometimes Samsung does. It disappointing, but I'm bothered more about the battery rumor. The battery is completely under their control - not a new technology that they are struggling to perfect like the embedded FPS. People say it over, and over, and over again - make the phone just a bit thicker and give us a stout battery. Why does that not seem to get through to them??? I saw the explanation and drawings showing why the Note 7 battery was at risk. Looks like a pretty simple issue for engineers to avoid. No one I know cares if the phone gets a little thicker if it means a great battery. No one.
Sorry about dragging this off topic. Obviously the embedded FPS is not easy to implement. I'm guessing they are having difficulty getting it to a reliability level that is suitable for a security feature.

I agree 1000% with you about the battery. Everyone puts a case on their phone anyway so paring a phone's depth down to the last millimeter is simply insane. No one would give a crap if the phone was a millimeter or two thicker if it had a 4000 mAh battery.

As to the embedded FPS I think this is going to be such a deal breaker and a marketing disaster when going against the iPhone 8 that it isn't even funny. If I was advising Samsung's marketing department I'd urge them to delay the introduction of the Note 8 until they can get the embedded FPS up and running.

If they rush the Note 8 to market without it, Apple will absolutely slaughter them.

 

[jsk0703]

Disaster would also be rushing an unfinished feature into production and introducing a security issue. That would be expensive to both Apple or Samsung, especially in the corporate space.

 

[PsychDoc]

Disaster would also be rushing an unfinished feature into production and introducing a security issue. That would be expensive to both Apple or Samsung, especially in the corporate space.

Believe me, nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see Apple implement this in the new iPhone 8 and find that it didn't work or caused other problems. But if they do it and it works and Samsung keeps the FPS on the back, then it's a disaster for Samsung.

 

[jhimmel]

Believe me, nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see Apple implement this in the new iPhone 8 and find that it didn't work or caused other problems. But if they do it and it works and Samsung keeps the FPS on the back, then it's a disaster for Samsung.

I don't agree. Yes, some people switch back and forth between iOS and Android based on one feature or other, but the vast majority of people do not. It might give Apple some bragging rights - but it's not a "disaster" for anyone who doesn't have that feature yet. People buy the Note for the PEN. Whatever the FPS on the iPhone, it's not a substitute for the pen.

The latest rumors about the Note 8 contain a number of disappointments. If all of it is true, the Note 8 is lack lustre to me - but it still has the pen. It may not be the hit that it could have been, but I doubt it will be a disaster. I do feel that Samsung has not gone in the right direction with the Note this time though. Shame.

 

[103Softail]

I think this is completely unreasonable of you. Apparently the embedded scanner is an enormous technical challenge, and Sammy have enlisted another company in addition to Synaptics to crack this. They are doing everything they can to bring it to market, and as another poster has said, Apple are also having difficulty, hence the delay of the next iPhone.

But really, all this angst against Samsung who are busting their chops to bring this new technology to market? Not fair of you at all.

FAIRNESS what? This is business!

 

[103Softail]

Samsung had no reason to buy one of those companies. Apple does it because they sell in high enough volume that they want complete control of their supply chain where they can. Synaptics told Samsung they could pull off an embedded reader, but it's more difficult than anyone thought. The only reason apple is going to pull it off is because they can throw people at the problem, while synaptics is limited. (they have other customers, after all)

They told Samsung they could supply the embedded fps.........you were at that board meeting?

 

[103Softail]

All of us who avoided S8 because of the FPS sensor position now look like fools, thinking Samsung will actually listen lol. Well done Samsung

I don't think you look like fools. We need more of you. Put your consumer $ where your mouth is not where companies try to dictate.

 

[chyeo1979]

I don't think you look like fools. We need more of you. Put your consumer $ where your mouth is not where companies try to dictate.

We put it in Note 7, get screwed for two times and still wanted to support Note 8, and this what what they are doing to us

 

[JHBThree]

They told Samsung they could supply the embedded fps.........you were at that board meeting?

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...00-fingerprint-sensor-glass-galaxy-s8-samsung

 

[103Softail]

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...00-fingerprint-sensor-glass-galaxy-s8-samsung

This is not a statement by Synaptics saying they could supply Samsung for their S8 phones. It is Synaptics fluffing it's feathers. It is only a media story. The headline says it all - "Is this the fingerprint sensor for the Galaxy S8?"

 

[103Softail]

We put it in Note 7, get screwed for two times and still wanted to support Note 8, and this what what they are doing to us

I was fully reimbursed for both note 7s and for about $200 worth of accessories. I wasn't screwed. I was pissed off but the only loser was Samsung. They don't "owe" me anything for the note 8. I believe they've got it wrong for the 8 specs but will wait & see reality and then I'll give my verdict with my $....or not. Suggest you do the same.

 

[Diehlirious]

I find the battery to be more of a disappointment since the fingerprint sensor under the screen technology isn't available everywhere yet.

 

[Dr Claw]

I will; I'm not concerned with what Apple does, as I don't use iPhones. I prefer the scanner on the back, actually.

I also prefer headphone jacks and microSD card expansion storage (but I'd love a microUFS card sometime soon...)

 

[swarlos]

I won't be buying regardless. I haven't really been much of a Samsung fan since owning the Galaxy Nexus. I know they have done very well with Android but their throw everything at the wall and see what sticks approach is a major turnoff. I know they've scaled that back over the years but it is still part of their core.

Everyone's complaints about the battery size are valid but with everything that happened with the Note 7 I believe Samsung is doing everything they can to avoid that same disaster with the Note 8.

 

[JHBThree]

This is not a statement by Synaptics saying they could supply Samsung for their S8 phones. It is Synaptics fluffing it's feathers. It is only a media story. The headline says it all - "Is this the fingerprint sensor for the Galaxy S8?"

Yes but we know for a fact Synaptic is Samsung's supplier for fingerprint sensors. It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots.

 

[Aquila]

FPS under the display is not going to change my mind one way or the other. I don't even know that I think that's a cool feature, just that it'd be a pretty new one for mainstream phones.