Wireless-N GONE

[pappy53]

Did the GB update, and now Wireless-N is gone! Only have b/g. What's going on?

 

[qitupx]

I noticed that too. Probably due to the evo not officially supporting wireless N but the hardware supports it and HTC enabled wireless N function to try and make people happy because the wireless range was poor. When switching over to gingerbread, HTC had to use entirely new drivers I believe.

 

[Gekko]

is this really a big deal?

1. most routers include b/g/n and devices are backwards compatible.
2. is there an appreciable difference between b/g and n - especially on small mobile devices and especially given the speeds of most ISPs?
3. i have a feeling that they will add it back in a future update.

 

[pappy53]

Yes, there is a huge difference between g and n. Speed-wise, and range-wise.

 

[qitupx]

I would say it makes a fairly big difference. Not speed wise as the N implementation maxes out at 65 on the Evo. But range wise it helps a lot.

 

[Saphira]

Is it really not working on the wireless N though? Can anyone confirm it no longer works, I thought our router was wireless N and it still seems to be on my modem. I very well could be wrong, my teenage son is still sleeping he knows more about what we have than I do, so I'm not really sure.

 

[Joescan09]

Your router is most likely not just running N but also G so the Evo is now running off the G single.

 

[Gekko]

Is it really not working on the wireless N though? Can anyone confirm it no longer works, I thought our router was wireless N and it still seems to be on my modem. I very well could be wrong, my teenage son is still sleeping he knows more about what we have than I do, so I'm not really sure.

most n wireless routers are backwards compatible so they include b/g/n.

 

[Gekko]

I would say it makes a fairly big difference. Not speed wise as the N implementation maxes out at 65 on the Evo. But range wise it helps a lot.

how far off the plantation are you going?

 

[qitupx]

My house likes to kill wifi for some reason. I have to use two wifi routers to get signal. I use to be able to see router one in the living room before but now I can't with the new update.
To clarify the points made before:
Most routers in the past two years support Wireless B/G/N in order of generation.
The router pushes out all three "types" of signal so legacy devices can connect. You can also turn off backwards compatibly for added performance.
Your device will take whatever the newest standard is if it has the correct hardware and ability to do so.
The evo use to be able to connect via wireless N to my router (proven by the 65MB speed and the router reporting a wireless N device)
It only connects as a G device now which slightly reduces speed but reduces range also.

 

[TWC_SouthPhilly]

My house likes to kill wifi for some reason. I have to use two wifi routers to get signal. I use to be able to see router one in the living room before but now I can't with the new update.
To clarify the points made before:
Most routers in the past two years support Wireless B/G/N in order of generation.
The router pushes out all three "types" of signal so legacy devices can connect. You can also turn off backwards compatibly for added performance.
Your device will take whatever the newest standard is if it has the correct hardware and ability to do so.
The evo use to be able to connect via wireless N to my router (proven by the 65MB speed and the router reporting a wireless N device)
It only connects as a G device now which slightly reduces speed but reduces range also.

My house kills my wifi too. 100 year old house, built like Fort Knox's.

I'm going to assume this would effect custom roms to that are based of off Gingerbread too?

I ask cause I went out and got a new router last week after convincing Mrs. Philly it would fix our wifi reception in the bedroom. I got a "Linksys/Cisco E1000" (link) http://www.linksysbycisco.com/EU/en/products/E1000 and I'm coming from a "Linksys Wireless-G Linux Broadband Router" (link) http://www.linksysbycisco.com/EU/en/products/WRT54GL

The speeds are the same (and now i know why) but the range is actually worse on the E1000 than on my older Linksys Wireless G. After looking at the specs for both of the routers they are pretty much the same. The only real difference that I see is the my older router has 2 external antennas and is only a G router.

But in the living room I get one less bar (sitting 10ft. in front of it) and in the bedroom its pretty much a crap shoot as to whether it connects or stays connect for any period of time.

Till I read this post I was chalking up the crappier performance to the internal antennas. This makes me feel a little better. I hope HTC fixes this soon and Decks rom gets update with it.

Mrs. Philly keeps giving me that look!!!! Married guys... you know the look!!?!!?

Sent From The Tree House Out Back!

 

[qitupx]

I just unflashed from Cyanogen 7 to take my phone into sprint for some warranty work and I don't know for certain but I believe it was using wireless N also. It may be just that HTC "forgot" to re-enable the fix they had for the evo shortly after launch to enable 4g. As for signal, I did not look into the specs of your new router a whole lot, but I did notice that it was only using 10/100 ports which would tell me it is more of a budget router as it does not have 10/100/1000 ports so it is likely that it is not using the antennae structure more advanced routers do. That old router of yours is a legend though. It's extremely popular. The only thing I can recommend is to go into the wireless settings on the router, use WPA crypt over WEP, turn off wireless B and use G and N only and if there is an auto channel tool use that; if not select any channel that isn't 6. One and 11 tend to be good choices.

 

[TWC_SouthPhilly]

I just unflashed from Cyanogen 7 to take my phone into sprint for some warranty work and I don't know for certain but I believe it was using wireless N also. It may be just that HTC "forgot" to re-enable the fix they had for the evo shortly after launch to enable 4g.

You know I thought about that after I posted. Things like wifi, 4g and bluetooth have alot to do with the kernel right? Question... how do I check this??? I'm using a Windows 7 machine.

As for signal, I did not look into the specs of your new router a whole lot, but I did notice that it was only using 10/100 ports which would tell me it is more of a budget router as it does not have 10/100/1000 ports so it is likely that it is not using the antennae structure more advanced routers do.

Ya it's a lower end router. I just got myself a new laptop a few weeks ago. So the electronics coffer is kind of light. I was hoping that with it being an "N" router I could get away with it. Never really had an issue with speeds on my eVo or laptop, just range.

That old router of yours is a legend though. It's extremely popular.

Yep never had an issue or problem with it till I moved into a new house last year. And the only issue is the whole range thing. I still have it and most likely will be setting it back up here in a bit.

only thing I can recommend is to go into the wireless settings on the router, use WPA crypt over WEP, turn off wireless B and use G and N only and if there is an auto channel tool use that; if not select any channel that isn't 6. One and 11 tend to be good choices.

Let me check this out. Thanks for the advice m8.


Sent From The Tree House Out Back!

 

[TWC_SouthPhilly]

Quick question I just turned on my evo's wifi tether app and hooked up my laptop to it.... wifi manager on my laptop is telling me my eVo is broadcasting "g".
Does the evo's wifi only broadcast in "g" or should of be broadcasting in "n"? I would have to think that if it was capable receiving "n" it would also broadcast in "n"... that is if "n" was enabled?

Sent From The Tree House Out Back!

 

[qitupx]

I remember it not broadcasting N for the hotspot feature.

 

[AnnDroid]

how far off the plantation are you going?

Dang It Gekko, I love your humor.

I haven't applied the update yet because of the Netflix app not supporting 2.3. Now with Wireless N being a possible problem, I might not apply the update ever.

I live in a 3-story A-frame. My bedroom is on the third floor, the router is on the second. When I had a Wireless G router, I barely got signal in the bedroom. With the N, it's a noticeable improvement. Also, I live on an acre of land and can see the N router anywhere on 'the plantation'.

 

[splmonster]

I want to ask every user in this topic a serious question. N-type routers are capable of anything over 54mbps. Do any of you have a connection faster then that? Because G is capable of up to 54mbps. Which is more then plenty for a phone, heck plenty for a PC or Mac. Also it has been proven many times then more that N never extended coverage by any means. I still have old Linksys G routers that destroy my Linksys E4200 in coverage. So no, many sites have noted that a lot of old G routers still have better Wi-Fi coverage then N-Type routers.

 

[qitupx]

I suppose the saying "your results may vary" applies. I'm speaking from personal experience with my current setup that wireless N always gets better signal on all of my devices. I'm using a high end router (dgl-4500) so that might be something to note in comparison. And I have a 100MB/sec internet connection so N makes a difference for me. Even if you have a 50mb line, wireless N will help. Transferring files over the network on a G device, I have never seen 100% throughput.

 

[splmonster]

I suppose the saying "your results may vary" applies. I'm speaking from personal experience with my current setup that wireless N always gets better signal on all of my devices. I'm using a high end router (dgl-4500) so that might be something to note in comparison. And I have a 100MB/sec internet connection so N makes a difference for me. Even if you have a 50mb line, wireless N will help. Transferring files over the network on a G device, I have never seen 100% throughput.

Well considering the Linksys E4200 and the Netgear WNDR3700-4000 are rated the best high end routers on the market right now, I would think the same. Most D-links are rated below those. I sure hope your not going by the Windows network window telling you that your transferring at 100mb/sec? That is the most inaccurate source for that info, that is noted by just about every networking info site. Again in real world testing, you will never come even close to that, because your machine also has impact on that transferring speed. It also depends on range from the router, it will degrade the further away you get. Now if your hard-wired, then it doesn't matter.

 

[qitupx]

I'm not an idiot, of course I'm not going by that speed. I'm going buy the numerous speed test websites and the Comcast definition of the service I pay for:
Extreme 105
Downloads up to 105Mbps, uploads up to 10Mbps.
So as you said, you'll never get that throughput due to other limitations, but if you have wireless N you have much room to play around with. The desktop I use is most certainly not a limitation hardware wise, but my evo maxes out at about 22MB on wireless N. Well..it use to, I only get about 14 now.