Let's guess how long our JB official OTA will take!

**shaytoon21** · 07-15-2012, 10:28 PM

ill say this again...its one big conspiracy....ics is awesome and all but its intentionally "slow" and "laggy" because jb has to look pretty somehow.

4.0.x to 4.x? come on now...its not like its 5.0 to be like "omg status"

whats gonna happen is that gnex will get jb by the end of july and then a lot of older phones that dont have ics, will get ics and then by the time the new fruit phone is announced/released, all the newer androids will get jb, so were going to see a huge bump in ics before this year ends and ics will be the "standard" for the older phones to phase out GB

**JHBThree** · 07-15-2012, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by shaytoon21

ill say this again...its one big conspiracy....ics is awesome and all but its intentionally "slow" and "laggy" because jb has to look pretty somehow.

4.0.x to 4.x? come on now...its not like its 5.0 to be like "omg status"

whats gonna happen is that gnex will get jb by the end of july and then a lot of older phones that dont have ics, will get ics and then by the time the new fruit phone is announced/released, all the newer androids will get jb, so were going to see a huge bump in ics before this year ends and ics will be the "standard" for the older phones to phase out GB

..And by then those phones will STILL probably be two versions behind.

**elvisgp** · 07-15-2012, 10:45 PM

It will release when apple says Verizon is allowed to do it. So basically after ios6 and the iPhone 5 is released . Haha.

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**TheAssailant** · 07-17-2012, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by shaytoon21

4.0.x to 4.x? come on now...its not like its 5.0 to be like "omg status"

Two words: Google Now.

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**davey11** · 07-17-2012, 12:49 AM

Everyone needs to embrace the custom rom scene. A top rom like aokp is so vastly superior to any stock ota experience. Updates come regularly, no waiting on vz dragging their a. Oh no a root freak extolling crap. If you could experience what ur missing you would understand.

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**smbrooks32** · 07-17-2012, 12:51 AM

What phone and rom are you running

**TheAssailant** · 07-17-2012, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by davey11

Everyone needs to embrace the custom rom scene.

I'm getting really tired of that mentality. Not everyone can or has the desire to flash custom ROMs. I fall into the latter category.

I'd rather wait on Verizon. Sure, I'm a Software Engineering major and could easily build my own ROMs (which I don't have the patience to do), but that doesn't and should never excuse a company from dragging its feet on an update it doesn't even host.

Why is Apple the only one allowed to get around Verizon's "testing"? When is Google going to put its foot down? And most importantly, why wasn't updating addressed when Google/Samsung drew up the agreement with Verizon?

Or at the very least, why doesn't Google/Verizon just let people sign up for public testing? Have they forgotten the principle that the more testers there are, the more bugs you'll find?

/rant

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**Touchpaddle** · 07-17-2012, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by TheAssailant

Why is Apple the only one allowed to get around Verizon's "testing"? When is Google going to put its foot down? And most importantly, why wasn't updating addressed when Google/Samsung drew up the agreement with Verizon?

Does Apple really have the ability to get around Verizon's "testing"???

**TheAssailant** · 07-17-2012, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by af250xxl

Does Apple really have the ability to get around Verizon's "testing"???

They're the only company who is allowed to push out updates for all of its phones at roughly the same time.

Originally Posted by Monkey Pi

How about developers who need to test their applications against stock versions of Android to make sure they perform well in the environments most users experience? Should we embrace the custom rom scene? I prefer to embrace the scene that pays my bills.

This too.

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**tooter123** · 07-17-2012, 02:59 PM

6 months!

**Monkey Pi** · 07-17-2012, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by TheAssailant

They're the only company who is allowed to push out updates for all of its phones at roughly the same time.

Or possibly, they're the only ones smart enough to keep the update secret until it's been tested and approved on every carrier.

**TheAssailant** · 07-17-2012, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Monkey Pi

Or possibly, they're the only ones smart enough to keep the update secret until it's been tested and approved on every carrier.

But they also allow devs to install the latest Beta build and also help out with testing. If they're not allowed without Verizon's blessings, then Verizon is likely testing these Beta updates along with everyone else who can get their hands on it.

But this is Apple we're talking about here. Almost everyone has put Apple so high atop this pedestal of quality that no one thinks they could possibly mess up or create a product that wasn't the best it could be (don't argue semantics, it was a blanket statement).

But we know better than that, if Google Now is any indication.

**eric3316** · 07-17-2012, 04:32 PM

I seriously think Google needs to start standing behind their Nexus line. Otherwise what is a Nexus device? just a phone without a skin. It is suppose to be more then that.

When Apple releases a new update, they say everyone can update next week. When Google releases an update no one says a word. What is so hard for Verizon to release. Google does all the work here. All they need to do is add in the correct radios.

Amazing you do not even get a peep of when an official update will be coming to Verizon or even Sprint. These companies really destroyed the Nexus line.

I do not understand why people but a Nexus phone on Sprint or Verizon if you are not going to root it. If you want the updates it seems like that is your only option or wait 6 months like every other skinned Android device. At that point, why get a Nexus.

**Touchpaddle** · 07-17-2012, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by eric3316

I seriously think Google needs to start standing behind their Nexus line. Otherwise what is a Nexus device? just a phone without a skin. It is suppose to be more then that.

When Apple releases a new update, they say everyone can update next week. When Google releases an update no one says a word. What is so hard for Verizon to release. Google does all the work here. All they need to do is add in the correct radios.

Amazing you do not even get a peep of when an official update will be coming to Verizon or even Sprint. These companies really destroyed the Nexus line.

I do not understand why people but a Nexus phone on Sprint or Verizon if you are not going to root it. If you want the updates it seems like that is your only option or wait 6 months like every other skinned Android device. At that point, why get a Nexus.

I don't really blame Google.... they once said that GSM is the only way to go for smartphones.
Verizon had a chance to switch its network to the GSM standard back in mid-1996 and decided
against it.

If Verizon were a smaller company(like T-Mobile's size) it would have died a long
time ago as a CDMA-only carrier.

**Vanilla Ice** · 07-18-2012, 01:38 AM

Dwight Howard will be traded to the Lakers before we get the 4.1 OTA

**eric3316** · 07-18-2012, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by af250xxl

I don't really blame Google.... they once said that GSM is the only way to go for smartphones.
Verizon had a chance to switch its network to the GSM standard back in mid-1996 and decided
against it.

If Verizon were a smaller company(like T-Mobile's size) it would have died a long
time ago as a CDMA-only carrier.

Not releasing a timely update on a Nexus device has nothing to do with what type of Network Verizon chose. If Verizon played nice they can push the update just as fast as they do on a GSM device. By using CDMA it just puts the ball more in Verizon's hands and does not mean it takes longer to push because of the technology.

**jephanie** · 07-18-2012, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by eric3316

I do not understand why people but a Nexus phone on Sprint or Verizon if you are not going to root it. If you want the updates it seems like that is your only option or wait 6 months like every other skinned Android device. At that point, why get a Nexus.

Let me help you understand...

Google marketed their OS. I liked their OS. I liked it better than the skinned versions on all the other phones. And the Galaxy Nexus (from a hardware perspective) seemed like a very nice device.

I came into this from a BlackBerry and wanted either an iPhone or Android. Plain, vanilla Ice Cream Sandwich appealed to me greatly. I am not a rooter. I am just a user seeking a certain UI experience. This device offered that to me.

The arrogant presumption that the Nexus line is only for the custom ROM loader-upper guys needs to die a quick (and painful) death. If that is how the Nexus devices should be considered, then Google needs to only sell them directly and avoid any and all selling relationship with the carriers. Period.

**dcastillo** · 07-18-2012, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by eric3316

I do not understand why people but a Nexus phone on Sprint or Verizon if you are not going to root it. If you want the updates it seems like that is your only option or wait 6 months like every other skinned Android device. At that point, why get a Nexus.

I will also answer this one....

Ive wanted a pure Nexus since they first came out... but since I have a really old Alltel plan with unlimited data (2 lines) at a super cheap price plus a 17% discount through my job.... It would be dumb to switch carriers to a much worse plan just for a phone thats outdated in a year or less...
So I had to wait for Verizon to get a Nexus and buy theirs....

I could Root/ROM if I wanted to, but after doing it for a few years starting with my old HTC touch then my OG Droid... Ive learned I have a serious Flash O Holic disorder and would not be able to stop once I started, which was fine years ago before owning two houses, and having two kids...
Funny as it sounds, I cant risk getting addicted again... I used to flash windows mobile 6 multiple times a day and have to reload everything manually on the phone... thats how bad it was

I know, I need help...

**MRW1215** · 07-18-2012, 06:55 PM

Not having read the majority of this discussion, I'd be shocked if the Verizon Nexus gets an official JB OTA by the end of the year. I don't know why it seems to take such a long time, but apparently, that's just how it is. It took them how many months to get out even a smaller 4.0.4 update? Can't imagine they'll get 4.1.1 out in 2012.

'Course, I'm already rooted, and running Jellybean, I just don't understand why it takes Verizon such long times for this kind of thing to be pushed out.

**dcastillo** · 07-18-2012, 07:05 PM

the hope is that since 4.1 should not include radios, it should be much faster...

Thats why 4.04 took so long (we think) because of the radio updates....

**xFORTRESSx** · 07-18-2012, 10:15 PM

Personally I'd rather get the updates right as they come out OTA. I'm not really into custom roms and prefer just the most updated stock ROM. However since Verizon held back a perfectly good update I manually installed it myself. I like having the option to tinker with my device and that plays to why I like the Nexus line.

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**xFORTRESSx** · 07-18-2012, 10:20 PM

DCastillo Now which version of Jelly bean ROM are you running?

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**dcastillo** · 07-18-2012, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by xFORTRESSx

DCastillo Now which version of Jelly bean ROM are you running?

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None... I'm stock 4.04
My post was actually very serious...
I recently 'had' to root my Xoom to try and fix a battery issue... didn't get to sleep till after 2am because of my addiction... that's how I know I'm not over it yet...
Funny, sad and true....

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**dmmarck** · 07-18-2012, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by dcastillo

the hope is that since 4.1 should not include radios, it should be much faster...

Thats why 4.04 took so long (we think) because of the radio updates....

Supposedly there's placeholders in the source listing new radios. We'll see though.

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**ChuckG73** · 07-19-2012, 06:44 AM

Its a vicious circle. You call VZW they will tell you Samsung is responsible for releasing the update. You call Samsung and they say Google. You call Google they say VZW.....then the cycle repeats itself. If Apple can release updates to all of its phones at the same time why can't Google? I will buy the next Nexus that comes out, I am not sure of who the carrier will be.

Oh yeah when do I think it will come out for VZW GNex: Late August