[jmssarno]

Same here, waiting for the V40 too. Will probably be fully redesigned since they already re-used the V30 design twice. Who knows what it will have, but I highly doubt a removable battery as much as I would like. They might just follow suit the current trends plus the tech they already have developed (so maybe something inbetween a G7 and V30 mixed with 2018 phones).

I wouldn't have high expectations, phones nowadays are reaching a point of staleness and getting pretty boring... curved glass, bezelless, more and more features getting slashed in exchange for minimalism...

Well said, I totally agree...

I'm just wondering which will come first. The V20 getting Oreo or all of us upgrading to a V40 lol.

[Mike Dee]

Well said, I totally agree...

I'm just wondering which will come first. The V20 getting Oreo or all of us upgrading to a V40 lol.

It's sad because V20 came with 7.0 out of the box.

[flyingkytez]

Well said, I totally agree...

I'm just wondering which will come first. The V20 getting Oreo or all of us upgrading to a V40 lol.

I would think 6 months after the G7 to maximize sales.. Not sure why the eagerness to upgrade to Oreo, seems like people just want something "new" thinking it would boost their phones performance or get some cool new UI changes but they're wrong, it'll probably slow down your phone.. the phone was designed for the OS that it came with, the developer will probably do a bad job converting the software because it's not their priority and if there's something wrong, they're not going to fix it anymore because they're moving on to something else already. Android 7 is still very good, probably my favorite so far.. still very good with battery and great performance. Don't fall for the marketing hype of a new OS, theres nothing that significantly different.. maybe some UI theme differences.. phone will not be faster (even if so, by a hair). Many times you see people on forums asking "How do I downgrade my phone?" The answer: you CAN'T. Manufactures will NOT let you do it (although supposedly possible, they won't allow it). Also, expect more bloatware installed or updated esp. on carrier branded phones.. So maybe think twice before you make the upgrade.. you may or may NOT like it...

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

I would think 6 months after the G7 to maximize sales.. Not sure why the eagerness to upgrade to Oreo, seems like people just want something "new" thinking it would boost their phones performance or get some cool new UI changes but they're wrong, it'll probably slow down your phone.. the phone was designed for the OS that it came with, the developer will probably do a bad job converting the software because it's not their priority and if there's something wrong, they're not going to fix it anymore because they're moving on to something else already. Android 7 is still very good, probably my favorite so far.. still very good with battery and great performance. Don't fall for the marketing hype of a new OS, theres nothing that significantly different.. maybe some UI theme differences.. phone will not be faster (even if so, by a hair). Many times you see people on forums asking "How do I downgrade my phone?" The answer: you CAN'T. Manufactures will NOT let you do it (although supposedly possible, they won't allow it). Also, expect more bloatware installed or updated esp. on carrier branded phones.. So maybe think twice before you make the upgrade.. you may or may NOT like it...

Oreo significantly improved notifications, introduced major security enhancements, huge improvements to the user experience, like native picture in picture, more secure and more accurate contextual autofill, much greater control over privacy controls, OS level color management, obvious improvements to resource management and battery life, etc, etc. Oreo is objectively better than nougat. Though I agree the phone is designed for the OS it launched with and most OEMs suck at the adaptation.

[Mike Dee]

Oreo significantly improved notifications, introduced major security enhancements, huge improvements to the user experience, like native picture in picture, more secure and more accurate contextual autofill, much greater control over privacy controls, OS level color management, obvious improvements to resource management and battery life, etc, etc. Oreo is objectively better than nougat. Though I agree the phone is designed for the OS it launched with and most OEMs suck at the adaptation.

Thanks..... I was almost ready to roll back to cupcake

[Greedog]

I just started on the "V20" bandwagon in June... On purpose. It's got most everything I want in a phone except the initial wallet vacuum effect at purchase time.
I'll be keeping mine for quite a while.
I waited almost two years to get it. The wait wasn't too bad. I was rocking the G5 at the time.

[MDMcAtee]

I just got my new replacement v20 this week so I will be hanging on with it for a good long time.

[recDNA]

Oreo significantly improved notifications, introduced major security enhancements, huge improvements to the user experience, like native picture in picture, more secure and more accurate contextual autofill, much greater control over privacy controls, OS level color management, obvious improvements to resource management and battery life, etc, etc. Oreo is objectively better than nougat. Though I agree the phone is designed for the OS it launched with and most OEMs suck at the adaptation.

None of those things have helped me at all nor do I notice them however I miss native gallery picture cropping and I can no longer control the degree of vibration. There is a vibration intensity slider in settings but it no longer as any effect. How are my notifications better now?

[christianttt]

Got a Huawei p20 pro and still have the v20 as a backup. For me it is an upgrade.

[MDMcAtee]

I've spent the last month with my new v20 doing all the things I always do with my phone which is texting, making phone calls, listening to music, watching movies, videos, shopping on line, reading books, using maps, and all the other things we do, and I love it.

Do I need to spend a thousand dollars on a new one... Nope.

Once a person gets it through their heads that if they really don't need to have the latest and greatest phone for their everyday life, the v20 is still a good phone to have.

If you demand the latest version out and are willing to spend the money on one, by all means go for it.

I think people feel that it's foolish to want a older phone over the latest one available, but that's not really the case these days, since what has been produced the past couple years, is light years ahead of what we had 5 years ago or even 3 years ago for that matter.

5 hours of s.o.t. the new ones are getting and quick charge is no replacement for having a quick change of a new battery, a fact that I found out when stuck in a hospital bed for a few days when I suffered my heart attack at the end this past August.

Folks can say what they will about this but being stuck without it sucked big time. I had a app hang and needed to get it rebooted but couldn't, so I had to wait for it to shut off and then recharge... A simple battery pull would have been all it needed.

I personally think LG would be doing themselves as well as us a favor by offering some type of upgraded version of the v20 with the removable battery and all the other features that has made it a underrated great phone.

Water resistance isn't a feature I demand in a phone so having a sealed box isn't needed. Nor is spending a grand or more on a new phone every year, and that right there is the reason I know they won't,so I know that I am preaching to the choir on that.

Mac

[muckrakerX]

Mail carrier just brought me another one for a backup 😊

[flyingkytez]

I've spent the last month with my new v20 doing all the things I always do with my phone which is texting, making phone calls, listening to music, watching movies, videos, shopping on line, reading books, using maps, and all the other things we do, and I love it.

Do I need to spend a thousand dollars on a new one... Nope.

Once a person gets it through their heads that if they really don't need to have the latest and greatest phone for their everyday life, the v20 is still a good phone to have.

If you demand the latest version out and are willing to spend the money on one, by all means go for it.

I think people feel that it's foolish to want a older phone over the latest one available, but that's not really the case these days, since what has been produced the past couple years, is light years ahead of what we had 5 years ago or even 3 years ago for that matter.

5 hours of s.o.t. the new ones are getting and quick charge is no replacement for having a quick change of a new battery, a fact that I found out when stuck in a hospital bed for a few days when I suffered my heart attack at the end this past August.

Folks can say what they will about this but being stuck without it sucked big time. I had a app hang and needed to get it rebooted but couldn't, so I had to wait for it to shut off and then recharge... A simple battery pull would have been all it needed.

I personally think LG would be doing themselves as well as us a favor by offering some type of upgraded version of the v20 with the removable battery and all the other features that has made it a underrated great phone.

Water resistance isn't a feature I demand in a phone so having a sealed box isn't needed. Nor is spending a grand or more on a new phone every year, and that right there is the reason I know they won't,so I know that I am preaching to the choir on that.

Mac

I agree with your points, but for me, I kinda need an updated camera. Low light focus speed was always a problem on the V20 so I'm looking for a more modern phone that can deal with that. But there will be a lot of missing features, such as the removable battery and 2nd screen. I may keep the V20 for longer and skip the V40, who knows. LG is doing what's best for them to survive and they can't just simply make phones for us small group of enthusiasts, they need to appeal to the majority and it seems as if the majority influenced the current design of LG phones. The V20 still rocks and is still a beast.. the Quad DAC still blows all other phones out the water.

[MDMcAtee]

I agree with your points, but for me, I kinda need an updated camera. Low light focus speed was always a problem on the V20 so I'm looking for a more modern phone that can deal with that. But there will be a lot of missing features, such as the removable battery and 2nd screen. I may keep the V20 for longer and skip the V40, who knows. LG is doing what's best for them to survive and they can't just simply make phones for us small group of enthusiasts, they need to appeal to the majority and it seems as if the majority influenced the current design of LG phones. The V20 still rocks and is still a beast.. the Quad DAC still blows all other phones out the water.

It's not that LG can't, it's just that they won't.

There are plenty of great pocket cameras on the market that take better pictures that cost far less than the v40, and if you really needed a better camera then the most logical thing to do is buy one, but I understand the reasoning everyone gives is that wouldn't be a convenient.....

I guess I am just old fashion mechanic who believes in using the right tool for the best results and always have a really great camera with me and use my phone for other things.

[recDNA]

I'm anxious to buy a 512gb VZW Note9 in black color if my local Best Buy ever has one to sell. At BB I get points I can use toward accessories. At VZW store I get nothing. I don't like payments I pay cash.

In the mean time still rocking my V20. If it were possible to buy brand new full 3200 mAh batteries I'd keep it a while longer. The "new" batteries available for sale are a year old and you're lucky to get 3000 mAh

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

I'm anxious to buy a 512gb VZW Note9 in black color if my local Best Buy ever has one to sell. At BB I get points I can use toward accessories. At VZW store I get nothing. I don't like payments I pay cash.

In the mean time still rocking my V20. If it were possible to buy brand new full 3200 mAh batteries I'd keep it a while longer. The "new" batteries available for sale are a year old and you're lucky to get 3000 mAh

Can you order online and ship to store?

[recDNA]

Can you order online and ship to store?

Probably but I like to buy stuff in stock. Sometimes people wait longer than anticipated when they order.

[flyingkytez]

I'm anxious to buy a 512gb VZW Note9 in black color if my local Best Buy ever has one to sell. At BB I get points I can use toward accessories. At VZW store I get nothing. I don't like payments I pay cash.

In the mean time still rocking my V20. If it were possible to buy brand new full 3200 mAh batteries I'd keep it a while longer. The "new" batteries available for sale are a year old and you're lucky to get 3000 mAh

Galaxy S10 (or Galaxy X) is coming. Every 2 years, Samsung introduces a whole new design. The Note 9 was a remake and rehash of the Note 8. If you wait just a tad bit longer, you can see what Samsung has in store for their 10th anniversary phone, which will introduce new and exciting features not yet seen (at least I hope since it's a 10 year anniversary).

My batteries are still working fine and I feel like I'm the only one that experiences phenomenal battery life on my V20.. standby time is too good and it can last days if the screen is off. Maybe try installing Force Doze if you haven't already and Greenify. Batteries can last a long time, depending on how much charge cycles it went through and how often the phone and battery gets really hot (heat lowers battery longevity). I have rechargable Enloop batteries from over a decade ago and they still work perfectly fine... I have an old tiny LG Optimus Fuel from 2015 and I've charged it everyday.. battery still good and zero problems whatsoever.. still the same battery it came with. Just unplug it when it's full and keep the phone battery temps low.

[recDNA]

Galaxy S10 (or Galaxy X) is coming. Every 2 years, Samsung introduces a whole new design. The Note 9 was a remake and rehash of the Note 8. If you wait just a tad bit longer, you can see what Samsung has in store for their 10th anniversary phone, which will introduce new and exciting features not yet seen (at least I hope since it's a 10 year anniversary).

My batteries are still working fine and I feel like I'm the only one that experiences phenomenal battery life on my V20.. standby time is too good and it can last days if the screen is off. Maybe try installing Force Doze if you haven't already and Greenify. Batteries can last a long time, depending on how much charge cycles it went through and how often the phone and battery gets really hot (heat lowers battery longevity). I have rechargable Enloop batteries from over a decade ago and they still work perfectly fine... I have an old tiny LG Optimus Fuel from 2015 and I've charged it everyday.. battery still good and zero problems whatsoever.. still the same battery it came with. Just unplug it when it's full and keep the phone battery temps low.

Accubattery tells state of battery. My original is only 50% One month old ebay battery 88%. When brand new the supposed oem batteries on ebay are 100% but after a month of use battery life begins to dwindle. I need constant push email so forcing doze is not an option.

[flyingkytez]

It's not that LG can't, it's just that they won't.

There are plenty of great pocket cameras on the market that take better pictures that cost far less than the v40, and if you really needed a better camera then the most logical thing to do is buy one, but I understand the reasoning everyone gives is that wouldn't be a convenient.....

I guess I am just old fashion mechanic who believes in using the right tool for the best results and always have a really great camera with me and use my phone for other things.

Yeah you're right, the V20 camera does the job. I don't really need a new phone, just want. The V20 is still the exact same when I first got it.. still a beast of a performer and extremely underrated. I might end up not upgrading and keeping my V20.. the V20 still has the WIDEST camera in any phone in history, including their newer phones like the V40. Kinda disappointed they reduced the POV of the front and rear wide angle.. especially the front because there's 2 friggin' lens but the POV only has a 10 degree difference than the normal selfie lens..

I feel bad for people who think the only phones that exists are Apple, Google, and Samsung. Everyone asks me, "which phone is that?" The V20 actually looks different than all other phones and it truly stands out not only physically, but with the features it has. I'm reminded of how awesome the phone in when I listen to music with the Quad DAC.. some will say "you don't need a wide angle camera" never actually owned a phone with one, or think Quad DAC isn't really appealing, they probably don't even listen to music at all.. that's why a lack of a headphone jack didn't matter because they aren't a music person anyway.

We'll see what happens.. I might get the V40 but I'm definitely keeping my V20 forever.

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

Every 2 years, Samsung introduces a whole new design.

This is definitely not true. The S6, S7, S8 and S9, as well as the Note 5, Note 7, Note 8 and Note 9, are all variations of the same design.

[flyingkytez]

This is definitely not true. The S6, S7, S8 and S9, as well as the Note 5, Note 7, Note 8 and Note 9, are all variations of the same design.

Not really, S4, S5, and Note 3 generally had the same plastic design.. the S6 introduced the all glass uni-body and the S7 used the same design with minor improvements. The S8 and S8+ was a complete refresh of the Galaxy series with the new bezelless designs.

The Note 7 was based off the Galaxy S7 Edge Plus. The Note 8 was based off the Galaxy S8 and borrowing influences from the Note 7 (slight boxy design). The S8 and S9 look nearly identical, same with Note 8 and Note 9. Money wise, it makes sense to keep the same design for 2 years to save money while R&D researches and makes a new design. The Note 4 used the same general design of the Note 3.

In short: S2 and S4 looked very different, S4 and S6 looked different (glass vs plastic), S6 and S8 looked significantly different (traditional bezels vs bezelless).. S9 looks almost 100% identical to the S8, so therefore the S10 is going to look different and have a newer design or at least some significant changes rather than a spec bump. If Samsung does nothing special for their 10th anniversary, they are going to be behind in the smartphone game.

[christianttt]

When getting a new phone if you don't wan't to feel the absence of removable battery, get one with at least 4000 mAh. Otherwise you will depend of the wall charger. P20 pro, Note 9, some Xiaomi phones...

[Mooncatt]

When getting a new phone if you don't wan't to feel the absence of removable battery, get one with at least 4000 mAh. Otherwise you will depend of the wall charger. P20 pro, Note 9, some Xiaomi phones...

Until the battery itself goes bad, as has been my experience with sealed phones. I don't care if it has a 10,000 mAh battery, it's still an unnecessary nuisance and expense to have a sealed battery replaced when it goes bad.

[talon1189]

I looked at the V40, the Pixel 3 and Samsung flagship. I am going to stick with my 2 years old V20 with 5 spare batteries. It is senseless to spend $900+ for a new phone with a sealed battery that maybe last 2 years? Not me 😵

[christianttt]

Until the battery itself goes bad, as has been my experience with sealed phones. I don't care if it has a 10,000 mAh battery, it's still an unnecessary nuisance and expense to have a sealed battery replaced when it goes bad.

That's a solid point. I hope my battery survives at least a couple of years, by then I'll be moving to the next phone.