11-25-2014 09:47 PM
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  1. LaTuFu's Avatar
    Well, they're allowed only because Google and/or the specific manufacturers haven't negotiated for them to stop. Apple got their iPhones on carriers without letting them add any bloat (because they have the monopoly on iDevices). Since there are so many Android devices, it would take *all* the manufacturers getting together or a huge push by Google to stop carrier bloat, and that's extremely unlikely to happen.
    Not exactly why the two systems are so different in that regard.

    Android was originally conceived as an open source platform, completely free for users. Google saw an opportunity for mobile device ad revenue. Google did not (and still doesn't for the most part) see themselves as a hardware/device manufacturer. Google is an information company. The more open their platform, the more information they gather. A certain degree of variation between content providers is expected.

    Apple is the exact opposite. The have been and continue to be a hardware first company. That's why they control the content. For Apple, the user experience has to be consistent. So they are the content provider. They allow outside app development, but only on their very strict terms.
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    11-24-2014 06:44 PM
  2. Trigati's Avatar
    Not exactly why the two systems are so different in that regard.

    Android was originally conceived as an open source platform, completely free for users. Google saw an opportunity for mobile device ad revenue. Google did not (and still doesn't for the most part) see themselves as a hardware/device manufacturer. Google is an information company. The more open their platform, the more information they gather. A certain degree of variation between content providers is expected.

    Apple is the exact opposite. The have been and continue to be a hardware first company. That's why they control the content. For Apple, the user experience has to be consistent. So they are the content provider. They allow outside app development, but only on their very strict terms.
    Maybe, but the point is that Apple still made sure that carriers don't install extra junk. Google's starting to do the same by locking down *some* parts of Android to give a more consistent user experience than in the past. It would still take Google or all the hardware manufacturers to get together to stop the carriers from installing their junk on the devices. But if all the manufacturers didn't get together, it wouldn't work as the carriers would just subsidize phones from manufacturers that didn't prevent them from installing their junk.
    11-24-2014 07:32 PM
  3. LaTuFu's Avatar
    While I agree that the carrier apps are mostly redundant and often inferior to other apps, they aren't junk.

    The carriers do it because they are revenue sources for the company. Google doesn't do anything about it because it fits the overall model of Android. More development means more information. That's why they built in the ability to disable rather than forbid carriers from doing it.

    Back when you had to root in order to get rid of bloat, I agree that it was more of a problem.
    11-24-2014 07:43 PM
  4. micktwo's Avatar
    I was hoping for a December release
    11-25-2014 02:49 AM
  5. raptir's Avatar
    Maybe, but the point is that Apple still made sure that carriers don't install extra junk. Google's starting to do the same by locking down *some* parts of Android to give a more consistent user experience than in the past. It would still take Google or all the hardware manufacturers to get together to stop the carriers from installing their junk on the devices. But if all the manufacturers didn't get together, it wouldn't work as the carriers would just subsidize phones from manufacturers that didn't prevent them from installing their junk.
    And yet at the same time they're taking the Nexus line and allowing carriers to brand and install their bloatware on the devices, and even to do so on unlocked, unbranded devices through VPL.

    The question isn't how would they stop carriers from installing their own software, but why? Consumers continue to buy phones with carrier software, and I don't think anyone picked the iPhone instead of the Galaxy S5 because they were bothered by the inclusion of the T-Mobile MyAccount app (that can be disabled). If the inclusion of carrier software will get the carriers to advertise the phones for them I don't think the manufacturers are going to put an end to it.
    11-25-2014 08:58 AM
  6. FSU30's Avatar
    Probably December or January. If you're on VZW, you'll get the notification to upgrade to lollipop on your N4 roughly 2 months after the release of the Note 6.

    I am in the process of making my Note 4 self aware.
    Hahaha! I laughed my **** off at this one!

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    11-25-2014 11:47 AM
  7. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    I was hoping for a December release
    Good try. I too would like to see this thread return to the topic it was intended for and not a debate about why Apple doesn't have bloat and Android does.

    I'd love to see 5.0 in december but I wont be too upset either way because i've loved Kit Kat since I got it last year on my Nexus 5.
    11-25-2014 12:00 PM
  8. Trigati's Avatar
    The question isn't how would they stop carriers from installing their own software, but why? Consumers continue to buy phones with carrier software, and I don't think anyone picked the iPhone instead of the Galaxy S5 because they were bothered by the inclusion of the T-Mobile MyAccount app (that can be disabled). If the inclusion of carrier software will get the carriers to advertise the phones for them I don't think the manufacturers are going to put an end to it.
    No, they're definitely not likely to stop it because of getting their phones subsidised by the carriers (even though Apple does the same thing without carrier bloat).

    But, as for the why? Because when Google comes out with an update to Android, consumers not only have to wait for the phone manufacturers to add their fingerprints (such as a custom launcher), but then there's a *longer* wait for the carriers to add *their* junk. So, for some consumers (like those on Verizon), Android could be a few revisions ahead before they get an upgrade to a now 'old' version. That doesn't happen with Apple, for one. When they make an update, *all* their (capable) devices get that upgrade as soon as its available.

    Let's face it. Android 5 is out now, it'll be at least January before Samsung writes off on it, so likely February/March before most (non Verizon) carriers release an update. Will Android be up to 5.01 or higher by that point? How long then, before we get *that* update? That is is the why Android needs fewer people (like the carriers) mucking with the software.
    11-25-2014 07:07 PM
  9. muzzy996's Avatar
    Sort of skipped the whole preview period even though I'd flash custom stuff on my Nexus for the past 2 years . . Anyway, I recently went back to stock on my Nexus 4 since repurposing it for work email only and I just installed Lollipop on it today. I gotta say, I just don't understand the hype and anticipation.

    I always like dark and translucent stuff, so to see a whole bunch of white and solid colors again just irritates me . . its like I'm watching an episode of blues clues or something . . ugh . . I honestly regret flashing it on my Nexus 4.

    I played with the Nexus 6 at AT&T today too and was impressed by the phone but wasn't pleased by the way some of the elements of the UI looked, especially the navigation bar. I mean SERIOUSLY why the playstation button shapes . .
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