Kevin OQuinn
AC Team Emeritus
I also never disagreed with the statement that samsung is more dev friendly. They are.
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So those liking old touchwiz(me), will like new touchwiz. I understand some may not like it, but don't think it should be a negative as far as reviews go.
Kind of like a fat car reviewer dogging a new Corvette for not having comfortable seats.
Well dude, it wasn't designed for you.
Like Kevin has said, find the one that fits you best. Then enjoy and be happy!
Yes I think I can agree with that. Why is it a negative in some cases? Because it's now not considered innovative. Samsung is quickly becoming a software company selling the touchwiz experience. Which is completely fine, but I'm afraid they will fall into the same thinking as Apple. Which is that not much can change so they don't shock users with a new UI and "break" the usability or familiarity for users of current touchwiz phones. RIM did that, Apple does that. Samsung is close to doing that.
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So HTC is guilty of the exact same thing because from what I have seen Sense 4 is little different to my original desire.
How can TW not of changed when it uses stock ICS screens ?
This post doesn't make sense.
So HTC is guilty of the exact same thing because from what I have seen Sense 4 is little different to my original desire.
How can TW not of changed when it uses stock ICS screens ?
This post doesn't make sense.
Multi tasking isn't broken. HTC changed it. So don't say it's okay for samsung to change things and not HTC, even if you personally disagree with what they changed.
The menu bar is the fault of apps not being updated. I don't want my phone to make up for the deficiency of the app dev. The app dev should update their app to work with hardware that's based on current Google guidelines. What's harder to update, an app or the phone?
The One X is seemingly more future proof because of this. What happens to that menu button when all apps are updated? Will samsung have to push an update to change its core functionality? I haven't seen anyone really touch on that
Yes I think I can agree with that. Why is it a negative in some cases? Because it's now not considered innovative. Samsung is quickly becoming a software company selling the touchwiz experience. Which is completely fine, but I'm afraid they will fall into the same thinking as Apple. Which is that not much can change so they don't shock users with a new UI and "break" the usability or familiarity for users of current touchwiz phones. RIM did that, Apple does that. Samsung is close to doing that.
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I for one, will leave android if I am forced to use on screen buttons. This is the reason it's opened source. So everything can be modded.
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Just Flash It !!!
Sense 4.0 is nothing like sense 2.X. It's completely different actually. Look at the dock, lock screen, app drawer, even the clock widget.
Touchwiz has always used some stock Android screens. So that hasn't changed....
There's nothing functionally wrong with touchwiz, I just think the majority of people were hoping for some kind of clean break with regards to the design.
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Yes I think I can agree with that. Why is it a negative in some cases? Because it's now not considered innovative. Samsung is quickly becoming a software company selling the touchwiz experience. Which is completely fine, but I'm afraid they will fall into the same thinking as Apple. Which is that not much can change so they don't shock users with a new UI and "break" the usability or familiarity for users of current touchwiz phones. RIM did that, Apple does that. Samsung is close to doing that.
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Google wants the menu button in all forms gone. Some manufacturers have actually listened. Samsung apparently doesn't feel that they should.
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Ok we can go back and forth all day on this. HTC changed it so its now a terrible user experience and claim its fine. Is that better?
Nothing needs to be updated by Samsung. Android Design - Action Bar
"The overflow icon only appears on phones that have no menu hardware keys. Phones with menu keys display the action overflow when the user presses the key."
The 3 dots menu was only meant for phones with onscreen buttons, so it could be shown when needed. Physical menu buttons are just fine too.
Sorry, I think you are talking shades of grey with regards to Sense 4. The app drawer scrolls left & right instead of up and down and they stole the dock from Apple.
Hardly innovative or a big break from Sense 2 is it ?
So Samsung are creating their own "eco system" with the "touchwiz experience" away from Android by erm, using stock android screens ? Meanwhile HTC that change everything in sight aren't doing the same thing ?
I'm not saying one is better than the other but frankly there is alot of crap being spouted about TW which easily applies to HTC and other phone makers.
Samsung got sued by Apple for copying the dock...
HTC didn't.
A|re you saying that the HTC dock is dramatically different to Apple/Samsung ?
No, of course not, so why bring up a spurious point ?
Funny, I was just reading a post elsewhere where someone commented that there were quite a few people online trying to justify their purchase of the HTC by criticising the S3 and Samsung, maybe he'd been reading this thread.
I'm very familiar with Sense versions prior to 4 since I've used it a lot. Admittedly, I've only used the One X for ~20min in a store, but have read pretty much all the Sense 4 reviews, and I really don't see where its making a 'clean break'.
The Contacts, People apps, all the widgets, the lockscreen, are exactly the same as in previous Sense versions, with maybe mior changes in the big clock. The settings menus is different, and the apps have a menu button. But the violate the standards too, e.g. apps are supposed to have an action bar, not a list of text buttons like in the gallery/browser.
I want to see evidence of this supposed revolution from earlier Sense versions. To 99% of HTC users, the biggest change will be the customizable dock and the clock. The rest is the same.
Here's another area where Samsung follows the Google philosophy and HTC does their own thing -
One X - apps are in a separate partition, and thus limited to 2GB, even on a 32GB phone
GS3 - single partition shared by apps, data, music etc. Just like the Nexus
But I suppose it's ok for HTC to do this since they can customize it, whereas Samsung deciding to keep the menu button is not!
The revolution is in how much HTC DIDN'T do that they could've. Instead of trying to change every single part of ICS they decided to theme it (putting it simply) and add functionality where they saw fit. I happen to be of the mind that they did it right. Obviously that's an opinion. I think Samsung did great things with Touchwiz, too, but it just doesn't do it for me as much as Sense does now.
I guess what it boils down to is this...Google did a "clean break" with ICS in terms of UI and functionality, and IMO HTC tried to follow suit. Samsung just kinda said "we're going to keep Touchwiz the same, regardless of where Google is trying to take Android as a platform."
I'm very familiar with Sense versions prior to 4 since I've used it a lot. Admittedly, I've only used the One X for ~20min in a store, but have read pretty much all the Sense 4 reviews, and I really don't see where its making a 'clean break'.
The Contacts, People apps, all the widgets, the lockscreen, are exactly the same as in previous Sense versions, with maybe mior changes in the big clock. The settings menus is different, and the apps have a menu button. But the violate the standards too, e.g. apps are supposed to have an action bar, not a list of text buttons like in the gallery/browser.
I want to see evidence of this supposed revolution from earlier Sense versions. To 99% of HTC users, the biggest change will be the customizable dock and the clock. The rest is the same.