16 gigs is just way too small, I don't want to put stuff on the cloud.

[Scott7217]

Then go ahead and do it. There are a ton of 32 GB phones you can buy outright, which will cost you around $700 - $750. If you are willing to pay that price, go ahead and buy such a phone. It just won't be a Nexus.

And now we're back to square one... it just won't be a Nexus.

You seem to think that you and I are having a debate about how much storage phones should have and what options they should offer. We are not. This thread is about the Nexus 4 and the Nexus 4 only. This is about whether the *Nexus* line - not any other phone, stock or otherwise - needs to accommodate demands for greater storage. It does not.

I am just pointing out the benefits of having a 32 GB Nexus 4. I certainly won't force anyone to buy one. So if you prefer 8 GB or 16 GB, that's 100% fine with me.

Btw, which Nexus phone, sold by Google directly at a cut rate (rather than carrier branded) previously provided a 32 GB or 64 GB internal storage option?

That's a trick question. Going with the way you pose it, no such phone exists. You are asking if one exists with a subsidy, when I had said that I was willing to skip the subsidy. (As a side note, the Nexus 4 is not subsidized in all countries outside the US, so if Google is using a subsidy to promote a cloud strategy, they are primarily promoting it in the US. Why not everywhere else if they want everyone to use the cloud?)

My original comparison was with the Galaxy Nexus. It had 32 GB variants in the CDMA version. So, 32 GB has been on a Nexus phone before.

We both agree that 8 GB and 16 GB are valid storage options. We disagree on 32 GB, that's all.

 

[Scott7217]

Good post!

I think LTE is something that comes with mixed issues... a big one being unlimited unthrottled data. You can't get that with LTE (apart from future Tmo deployment). Although, LTE is certainly obtainable in some regard with tinkering.

I would second that. Good post, NothingIsTrue!

It is a mystery why full LTE support was not included on the Nexus 4. My guess is that such a model would have had an unacceptable battery life. They'll probably get those issues sorted out with the Nexus 5.

 

[Scott7217]

What a moronic thread, and it goes on and on.. Unreal

Welcome to the internet!

 

[Scott7217]

Yup, all because someone bought the wrong phone.

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Well, even if they bought the wrong phone for their needs, they still end up with a good phone without paying too much money. So it's a happy mistake.

 

[Scott7217]

Okay, so let me summarize what I'm getting from this thread...

A 32 GB Nexus 4 hurts Google's strategy with the cloud. Basically, if you have more data in local storage, there's less in the cloud. If there's less in the cloud, Google makes less money. That's why the Nexus 4 maxes out at 16 GB. Does that sound right?

 

[Aquila]

Okay, so let me summarize what I'm getting from this thread...

A 32 GB Nexus 4 hurts Google's strategy with the cloud. Basically, if you have more data in local storage, there's less in the cloud. If there's less in the cloud, Google makes less money. That's why the Nexus 4 maxes out at 16 GB. Does that sound right?

I personally don't think that's the complete picture. I think the 16GB decision is less motivated by the desire to push people to the cloud than as a result of market research based on how much people actually use and the assumption that given resources, such as the cloud, people would not have their storage needs grow by leaps and bounds in the near future. The people who want to carry every piece of media they encounter forever are truly rare. It's about balance, and I think the fact that they happen to own the cloud (for all intents and purposes), helps them see this more clearly than many people who aren't used to interacting with it. As technology evolves, of course some needless concepts are going to be left by the wayside and it's going to be hard for people that have difficulty seeing the larger context and adjusting their paradigm accordingly. There doesn't need to be any malice or assumption of ulterior motivations in this discussion, those are just the defensive mechanisms to powerlessness in the face of ignorance of how to proceed. Yes; things are going to change and you will have to change with them. Not every change will be better, but the overall direction will definitely be better.

 

[yfan]

You say that as if everyone know what 16 gigs of storage means. You cannot possibly be that out of touch.

You can't be that arrogant to think that the average person buying a smart phone (in all possibility the Nexus 4 is not their first smart phone or data device) doesn't know what a GB is. People have been using mobile storage for a long, long time. USB flash drives, iPods, CD's, DVD's ... it goes on and on. This assumption that people don't know what it means is arrogant, self-righteous, and foolish.

Maybe you should take your own advice. Lead by example, heh heh.

Huh? I never said everyone is like me. I just said I'm the type of user the Nexus 4 fits well. Obviously, it does. That doesn't mean I lay any claim to be in the consensus, or even in the majority of smartphone owners. Obviously, I'm not. If I were, the majority of smartphone owners would own a Nexus device, which is FAR from the case.

So if you do not need it, then not having it available is somehow a good thing?

It's a good thing for me so long as it keeps the price low for me and as long as following Google's philosophy gets me a top line device incredibly inexpensively, yes. Speaking for me.

What if your needs change in the future?

Then I will get a new phone.

Everything you want, Google could still have given you if they included SD.

SD cards or extra storage does not prevent the use of the cloud, but it could discourage it - as it would the original poster of this thread, who doesn't want to put stuff on cloud. Their words, not mine. The Nexus is NOT for those who do not *want* to use the cloud.

...that were Nexus devices? That were vanilla android?

Did you read what I said? I said you had options, just that none of them were a Nexus. Options are not perfect - if you want a perfect phone, please build one yourself. But that the options didn't meet all of your checklists doesn't mean you didn't have options. You did, and you chose. That others didn't have vanilla is not Google's problem. You had imperfect choices, yes. Welcome to the real world. But that you had imperfect choices do not mean you didn't have choices.

It sure is. I am looking at a flash app on Firefox right now on my Nexus 4.

Oh, I was unaware Google makes Firefox.

You do understand the difference between Android and chrome, right?

Evidently, you don't. Unless you are willing to argue that Google doesn't make Chrome (or that it doesn't bundle it with Android), then dropping support for Flash from Chrome Mobile was in fact Google's decision. Anyone can write an app for Android - it's an open platform. Google doesn't stop people from doing that. But Google dropped official support from Chrome Mobile.

 

[FishenFool]

For me 32GB to 64GB is the sweet spot today but I am sure that will increase as apps, games etc get larger and larger. My first computer in 1995 has a 500MB hard drive and I remember thinking OMG, I will never need that much space. The first digital cameras were 2.1 mega pixel etc. Mobile is the next frontier.

Actually the first digital cameras weren't even a megapixel. One of the more popular early digitals, Sony Mavica, was 640 by 480 and stored 32k pictures on a 1.44mb floppy.

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[yfan]

And now we're back to square one... it just won't be a Nexus.

Yes. This is the point I have been trying to make. You want the Nexus to make versions to fit everyone's every conceivable need (or just your need/perceived need), and that is not going to happen. If you don't like the way the Nexus works or options it offers, you do not have to choose it. Plain and simple.

That's a trick question. Going with the way you pose it, no such phone exists.

Because the answer is that no such phone exists, therefore it's a trick question? I don't get it. I am merely comparing apples to apples.

You are asking if one exists with a subsidy, when I had said that I was willing to skip the subsidy.

That you are willing to do so is nice, but it doesn't mean Google must accommodate your wishes. Google runs the Nexus program according to their philosophy and what they want to push, not your wants. If you don't like it, you don't have to choose a Nexus.

(As a side note, the Nexus 4 is not subsidized in all countries outside the US, so if Google is using a subsidy to promote a cloud strategy, they are primarily promoting it in the US. Why not everywhere else if they want everyone to use the cloud?)

No clue. Maybe because Google is an American company and it's giving Americans a first cut at it. Maybe it decided to first spring it on the American market and if successful, it will take the experiment global. Plenty of Google's services are US only. Google Voice comes to mind.

We both agree that 8 GB and 16 GB are valid storage options. We disagree on 32 GB, that's all.

Oh no, it's a valid storage option. It's just not available on the current Nexus, nor has it ever been available for any Nexus phone. And I think suggesting it is fine, but the hue and cry demanding it and throwing a tantrum because it isn't available is a bit much.

A 32 GB Nexus 4 hurts Google's strategy with the cloud. Basically, if you have more data in local storage, there's less in the cloud. If there's less in the cloud, Google makes less money. That's why the Nexus 4 maxes out at 16 GB. Does that sound right?

Not local storage. You can have all the data you want on your terabite hard drive or your home computer that you want. Google doesn't care. But local storage for a phone, yes. It's not even so much that 32 GB necessarily hurts the cloud strategy, but maxing out at 16 GB and offering an 8 GB option pushes the cloud strategy harder than a 32 GB version potentially would. Will you ever see a 32 GB Nexus? Yes, just as soon as people like you begin to think that you really need 64 to be comfortable.

 

[yfan]

So, have you always had perfect cell tower coverage or wifi everywhere you go?

Mostly, but not always. But I'm an urban dweller. I also don't feel like my world is going to collapse if I don't have access to ALL my data and files every single waking moment.

I would have bought a 32 GB Nexus 4 if one were available.

But it wasn't, and you did not. This particular question wasn't about hypotheticals. You specifically stated that you paid for storing movies on your phone with your Nexus 4 (or rather I did). You didn't (or rather, I didn't).

You would need more local storage. I would also remind you that you asked about filming a documentary using the Nexus 4, not me.

Read again. I said that *isn't* going to happen.

I simply want a 32 GB Nexus 4. I'm not sure how you went from that to "everything" in one phone.

Because it's an arbitrary demand. And because you kept throwing out hypothetical situations for which the Nexus 4 obviously wasn't meant for, implying you wanted the Nexus to be ready for those situations as well. The property of it not being everything to all people means it may not be to you whatever your particular wish is.

 

[FishenFool]

Any regarding this topic? Hahaha.

Will you be purchasing the Google Edition GS4?

Actually I have seen quite a few in this thread so you must not have been paying attention very well.

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[FishenFool]

Google also had official support for Adobe Flash in previous Nexus devices and versions of Android. That doesn't mean it's reasonable to assume the possibility of it coming back in Key Lime Pie with the next Nexus phone. PCs used to support floppy disks with a dedicated slot. That doesn't mean that it's reasonable to expect that floppy drives will make a comeback.

Google didn't discontinue flash support. Adobe did.

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[Captainbob767]

I am amazed that a thread , devoted to someone that buys a phone that he finds out doesn't fulfill his needs, because he didn't do the proper research first, continues to beat the same dead horse for 18 pages..

 

[fernandezhjr]

Actually the first digital cameras weren't even a megapixel. One of the more popular early digitals, Sony Mavica, was 640 by 480 and stored 32k pictures on a 1.44mb floppy.

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I still have my Sony Mavica tucked away in a drawer somewhere. Proof that technology marches on, with or without you.

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[FishenFool]

I am amazed that a thread , devoted to someone that buys a phone that he finds out doesn't fulfill his needs, because he didn't do the proper research first, continues to beat the same dead horse for 18 pages..

Actually it is just as much the fault of all that people that popped up because the OP and 2 others had an opinion about the N4 (should have 32gb or SD) and acted like these 3 people shot the Pope or called their mothers ugly or something. It's just a phone.

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[Captainbob767]

Actually it is just as much the fault of all that people that popped up because the OP and 2 others had an opinion about the N4 (should have 32gb or SD) and acted like these 3 people shot the Pope or called their mothers ugly or something. It's just a phone.

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And if the nexus 4 had 2 wheels attached to it, one could ride it like a bicycle. It is what it is, if one doesn't like it they should try growing up, and move on.

 

[JeffDenver]

You can't be that arrogant to think that the average person buying a smart phone (in all possibility the Nexus 4 is not their first smart phone or data device) doesn't know what a GB is.

You cannot be so out of touch with the real world that you think this forum represents the average smartphone buyer when it comes to technical knowledge.

I have seen this in real life. With real people. Yes, they exist, and yes, they are more common than you think they are.

SD cards or extra storage does not prevent the use of the cloud, but it could discourage it

So what? Why the hell should it be "encouraged" or "Discouraged"? Why not let the market decide for itself?

You sound like Apple. We do not need to be told what we like or what we need. We can form opinions for ourselves.

Did you read what I said? I said you had options, just that none of them were a Nexus. Options are not perfect - if you want a perfect phone, please build one yourself.

"Your opinion is wrong, so STFU. Google knows what people want more than they do". That is how I read your quote above.

But that the options didn't meet all of your checklists doesn't mean you didn't have options. You did, and you chose.

And you just said that none of the options actually fits what I want...that the nexus is simply as good as it gets. so why am I not allowed to complain about it? It is something google could have changed but chose not to, because they do not fully understand what their customers want.

Complaining does work. it HAS worked. What do you think was the point of project butter? What do you think was the point of Google's drive for a unified UI? People complained, and Google responded.

Oh, I was unaware Google makes Firefox.

They don't have to. Unlike expandable storage, Google cannot (or chooses not to) prevent me from having access to Flash.

Evidently, you don't. Unless you are willing to argue that Google doesn't make Chrome

I guess you were unaware that there are lots of browsers on Android besides Chrome. You're welcome.

 

[yfan]

Alright, let's do this one last time.

You cannot be so out of touch with the real world that you think this forum represents the average smartphone buyer when it comes to technical knowledge.

I have seen this in real life. With real people. Yes, they exist, and yes, they are more common than you think they are.

I don't know what you're reading, but I never said anything about this forum representing anything. Yes the average buyer does know how much a given amount of storage is. Your assumption that they are too dumb to is your problem, but I guess I'm not going to change that. You aren't the only person who happens to interact with people in "real life." But thanks for the condescension.

So what? Why the hell should it be "encouraged" or "Discouraged"?

Because the owner of the Nexus brand, Google, wants it that way. Period.

Why not let the market decide for itself?

That's exactly what's happening. The market is deciding. Your problem is that you think "the market" has a responsibility to come up with exactly what you personally want. It does not.

"Your opinion is wrong, so STFU. Google knows what people want more than they do". That is how I read your quote above.

LMAO. Suit yourself.

Complaining does work. it HAS worked.

First, I don't consider what you're doing complaining - I consider it throwing a tantrum because you don't like the choice you've made. Second, I already made the case why complaining won't work in this case - Google made a conscious decision to drop the SD card from Nexus phones; project Butter was a fix to a problem, not to a conscious decision. Third, just as complaining may change things, I think making a supportive case helps a decision (that I believe is the right one) survive. That's what I'm doing. I'm giving support to the decision of pushing cloud storage and dropping things that may discourage its use. You will at least agree that I have as much right to support a decision as you do to complain about it, won't you?

 

[JeffDenver]

Yes the average buyer does know how much a given amount of storage is.

Well, I disagree. In my experience, few of them do. My mom has only a vague idea of how much a gigabyte is, and she gets it confused with megabytes all the time.

My roommate thought he had tons of space on his phone because it said he had 10.1MBs left. No, not everyone knows that stuff.

Your assumption that they are too dumb to is your problem

It is not stupidity, it is ignorance. The fact that a lot of people do not know these terms is not evidence that they are stupid. You are assuming everyone is a phone nerd...not everyone's life revolves around cell phones.

thanks for the condescension.

There's no need to thank me.

So what? Why the hell should it be "encouraged" or "Discouraged"? Why not let the market decide for itself? You sound like Apple. We do not need to be told what we like or what we need. We can form opinions for ourselves.

Because the owner of the Nexus brand, Google, wants it that way. Period.

LOL! Sieg Heil!

I can hear Steve Jobs applauding you from his grave.

First, I don't consider what you're doing complaining - I consider it throwing a tantrum because you don't like the choice you've made.

Um...I have said many times on here that I love my phone. What exactly makes you think I don't like the choice I have made? I have recommended this phone to countless people on here.

Not sure where you got the idea that simply because a product is imperfect that must mean you have to hate it.

Second, I already made the case why complaining won't work in this case

And I disagree with you. For reasons I have already stated.

 

[JeffDenver]

Actually it is just as much the fault of all that people that popped up because the OP and 2 others had an opinion about the N4 (should have 32gb or SD) and acted like these 3 people shot the Pope or called their mothers ugly or something. It's just a phone.

LOL! I have spent 18 pages trying to tell them this.

People get emotionally invested in their phone choice on here, and when you criticize the phone, they take it personally.