4k 10 minute limit... is that still a thing?

[jhimmel]

This seems to be a bug with the AC Forums app. Sometimes it'll change a url when you try to post a comment. Next time try leaving off the "http" and see if that helps.

Thanks for the tip! I'll try it. I prefer the AC Forums app because it has the "Mark forum read" selection and a few other niceties that make it more convenient.

 

[Mooncatt]

These problems have existed for at least 5 years. Its a well known issue that 4k video causes overheating issues.

This may have been true on older devices, but don't forget processing speed increases with most every generation. What taxed a processor years ago may barely break a sweat with newer processors. What was a "well known issue" 5 years ago could very well be a non-issue now. So questioning if/why that time limit exists now is valid.

 

[JHBThree]

This may have been true on older devices, but don't forget processing speed increases with most every generation. What taxed a processor years ago may barely break a sweat with newer processors. What was a "well known issue" 5 years ago could very well be a non-issue now. So questioning if/why that time limit exists now is valid.

Processor speed has nothing to do with it. The inability to keep processors cool does. That hasn't changed much, if at all

 

[JHBThree]

Like many here and myself included, I have started many 10 minute videos in a row with no issues, and there is a root workaround to turn it off and it can record all the time with no issues.

Doing more research it seems Samsung does this on the snapdragons to prevent them from looking better over the Exynos processors and it has nothing to do with heat. It’s more to not hurt the sales of their other cpus.

Dude. I will say it one more time. Length is thermal limited to prevent the device from overheating. That is where the 10 minutes limit comes from. It is irrelevant that you can anecdotally record for longer. The limit exists for heat reasons.

https://mashable.com/article/iphone-x-better-samsung-galaxy-s9-4k-60-fps-video-recording/

 

[Almeuit]

Dude. I will say it one more time. Length is thermal limited to prevent the device from overheating. That is where the 10 minutes limit comes from. It is irrelevant that you can anecdotally record for longer. The limit exists for heat reasons.

https://mashable.com/article/iphone-x-better-samsung-galaxy-s9-4k-60-fps-video-recording/

Definitely odd to see. Here is to hoping Qualcomm hopefully fixing this in their phones -- especially since Apple was able to do it.

 

[JHBThree]

Definitely odd to see. Here is to hoping Qualcomm hopefully fixing this in their phones -- especially since Apple was able to do it.

Hopefully. I wonder if it's patent-related, since other major modern processors don't have the limit.

 

[Almeuit]

Hopefully. I wonder if it's patent-related, since other major modern processors don't have the limit.

Yeah it would be nice to fully know.

 

[Mooncatt]

Dude. I will say it one more time. Length is thermal limited to prevent the device from overheating. That is where the 10 minutes limit comes from. It is irrelevant that you can anecdotally record for longer. The limit exists for heat reasons.

https://mashable.com/article/iphone-x-better-samsung-galaxy-s9-4k-60-fps-video-recording/

That article is only speculation, just as your opinion is. They claim the possibility of several reasons for the limit on the S9 before only discussing heat as a possibility, not as fact. They never discussed the other possibilities (whatever those may be, they didn't say), and they also pointed out that Samsung did not respond to a request for more information on why the limit is there.

And it is a fact that as technology advances, it's very possible for a faster processor to run cooler doing the same work as a slower/older one. If heat were the issue, then I would expect the limit to be based on that, recording as long as the system can handle it before the temps become an issue. An arbitrary set time limit doesn't sound logical when you can immediately restart the recording without a cool down period.

 

[NIZMOZ44]

Dude. I will say it one more time. Length is thermal limited to prevent the device from overheating. That is where the 10 minutes limit comes from. It is irrelevant that you can anecdotally record for longer. The limit exists for heat reasons.

https://mashable.com/article/iphone-x-better-samsung-galaxy-s9-4k-60-fps-video-recording/

Don’t go dude to me and you still having this attitude. This will be my last reply to you.

Well, we can just root it or continue pressing record every 10 minutes because it doesn’t overheat. The articles out there say it’s Samsung doing it not because of heat but because they don’t want to take sales away from the Exynos processor and make it look worse.

I’ve never had any of my Samsung phones stop working from overheating by continuous hitting the 10 minute record button.

 

[NIZMOZ44]

That article is only speculation, just as your opinion is. They claim the possibility of several reasons for the limit on the S9 before only discussing heat as a possibility, not as fact. They never discussed the other possibilities (whatever those may be, they didn't say), and they also pointed out that Samsung did not respond to a request for more information on why the limit is there.

And it is a fact that as technology advances, it's very possible for a faster processor to run cooler doing the same work as a slower/older one. If heat were the issue, then I would expect the limit to be based on that, recording as long as the system can handle it before the temps become an issue. An arbitrary set time limit doesn't sound logical when you can immediately restart the recording without a cool down period.

Agreed. Anyone can write an article like that. It’s just someone’s opinion and not fact. I still believe what I said above is true when anyone can record as long as they want with no issues by pressing it manually every 10 minutes or rooting it like people have done in the past with no issues.

The chip is the same in other phones, why does Samsung have the issue and not other manufactures?

 

[jhimmel]

The articles out there say it’s Samsung doing it not because of heat but because they don’t want to take sales away from the Exynos processor and make it look worse.

Can you share links to these articles? You don't want to be the one now making claims without backing it up.

 

[NIZMOZ44]

Can you share links to these articles? You don't want to be the one now making claims without backing it up.

I would if I could find it again, been looking trying too. But its a fact that the Exynos processors do not have this limit while the snapdragon does on Samsung devices within the same body. That should tell you enough. I found it on my phone yesterday googling but not having luck finding it again. Will keep looking.

 

[rolexreviews]

Snap Dragons in general are slightly worse (for lack of better word at the moment) at powering Samsung phones in general.

A while back (s6 I believe) Samsung used its chip worldwide because the snapdragon 810 was constantly overheating and was causing malfunctions.

But I've tested the new phone no more limit

 

[NIZMOZ44]

Snap Dragons in general are slightly worse (for lack of better word at the moment) at powering Samsung phones in general. <br>
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A while back (s6 I believe) Samsung used its chip worldwide because the snapdragon 810 was constantly overheating and was causing malfunctions. <br>
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But I've tested the new phone no more limit

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They have had this limit for years, since the Note 3 I think. I don't believe that Snapdragons are no longer the issue because they are extremely powerful processors of today. <br>
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<a href="https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s9/themes/zero-camera-mod-bitrates-jpg-remove-t3793395" target="_blank">https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s9/themes/zero-camera-mod-bitrates-jpg-remove-t3793395</a><br>
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Here is the Zero Camera mod that turns it off on the S9 and no overheating issues.<br>

 

[NIZMOZ44]

Another example of Samsung's little tricks.

https://www.sammobile.com/2018/10/02/enable-galaxy-s8-4k60fps-video-recording

 

[rolexreviews]

Another example of Samsung's little tricks.

https://www.sammobile.com/2018/10/02/enable-galaxy-s8-4k60fps-video-recording

but that was to keep the phones the same, not to make one regions phones better than another. this only adds more proof to my point earlier.

The Snapdragon couldn't record 4K60fps but the Exy could... so they had to dummy down the Exy to match the Snapdragon.

Snapdragon chips a lot of the time if not always are slightly worse than Samsung's Chips especially because Samsung's chips are in house and have more room for making the chip work exclusively for their phones where the Snapdragon has to make a chip to work with 100's of phones (or should I say the phone maker just slaps the chip in with minor adjustments where Samsung could make the chip for the phone which in turn makes an overall better chip sorta like the way apple does it)

 

[NIZMOZ44]

I never said it was to do what we are discussing, it was an example of Samsungs tricks to sell the product and not due to heat or other reasons. Like I mentioned, you can root it, or just keep hitting record, and the phone does it with no issues, and the Exynos ones don't have the limit. Which again, still proves that Samsung is just preventing the Snapdragon from looking better over the Exynos.

but that was to keep the phones the same, not to make one regions phones better than another. this only adds more proof to my point earlier.

The Snapdragon couldn't record 4K60fps but the Exy could... but they had to dummy down the Exy to match the Snapdragon.

Snapdragon chips a lot of the time if not always are slightly worse than Samsung's Chips especially because Samsung's chips are in house and have more room for making the chip work exclusively for their phones where the Snapdragon has to make a chip to work with 100's of phones (or should I say the phone maker just slaps the chip in with minor adjustments where Samsung could make the chip for the phone which in turn makes an overall better chip sorta like the way apple does it)

 

[NIZMOZ44]

This topic comes up with every Samsung phone release, and it's the same discussions over and over for the last 5 plus years. The processor and heat is not the limiting factor any more which I will end it at that.

 

[rolexreviews]

From my personal experience with US Galaxy S6 and Galaxy S8 I could never record more than 8 minutes of 4k without the phone giving me a heat warning and stopping recording and on top of that won't let me record giving me a "phone is too hot wait for it to cool down" message.

Could be cause I live in Florida maybe the heat/humidity has something to do with it.

Trust me, I wouldn't have asked online about the limit if I wasn't excited about finally recording for as long as I wanted in 4k30fps it was a feature I've been wanting because of the hassle I've always went thru.

Do you know annoying it is to record a miniature golf video of a few friends and having to wait at a hole for the phone to cool down before I could start recording again? cause I literally went thru that

 

[NIZMOZ44]

LOL! That is funny.

Well, my Note 8, Note 9 never overheated doing it. I haven't tried it on my current S9+, but I am sure if I just recorded one by one it won't do it. I would think we would be seeing people saying phones are overheating with the limit being removed with these hacks. .

Older phones, I can believe it, but with these newer processors being way more efficient, I can't see that any more.

I am going to try it right now and will report back later after it does a few 10 minute recordings.

From my personal experience with US Galaxy S6 and Galaxy S8 I could never record more than 8 minutes of 4k without the phone giving me a heat warning and stopping recording and on top of that won't let me record giving me a "phone is too hot wait for it to cool down" message.

Could be cause I live in Florida maybe the heat/humidity has something to do with it.

Trust me, I wouldn't have asked online about the limit if I wasn't excited about finally recording for as long as I wanted in 4k30fps it was a feature I've been wanting because of the hassle I've always went thru.

Do you know annoying it is to record a miniature golf video of a few friends and having to wait at a hole for the phone to cool down before I could start recording again? cause I literally went thru that