A different take on Share Everything

[humpagardengnome]

First, let me say, I'm not defending Verizon here [puts on two pairs of Nomex underwear]. It isn't so much that the "public never knows why", it's more a matter of not knowing all the underlying costs.

Verizon is updating all of their equipment from 3G to 4G at very rapid pace. Supposedly, they plan to have everybody on 4G by the end of 2013. All that infrastructure cost money, and the only way Verizon can get it, is to charge the customers. They are not just charging for the actually cost of supplying X number of GBs of data or whatever. That cost also includes repair and replacement of equipment, R&D of technology, and all the other thousands of things that go into company overhead, as well as, a return on investment (ROI). Usually, you get what you pay for. Yes Verizon Wireless has a pretty good earnings rate, but much of their money is going back into the network and support services (gotta pay for all those reps and techs? training? LOL).

Many people like the idea of paying less money to one of the other carriers ? problem is that, for a lot of us, the service doesn?t fit our needs ? and some of those same people complain about the other network's capacity. Most of the other carriers don?t have the network capability of Verizon (or AT&T), so unless they offer something that makes sense for you, Verizon may be the only way we can get the services we want (need?).

With the new pricing plan, there are going to be winners and losers. Certain users will love it and others will hate it. Verizon doesn?t care as long as the cash flows remain steady and allows them to increase capacity and sales, plus make a buck or two. As Michael Corleone told Sonny: "It's not personal, Sonny. It's strictly business."

Such is life.

I'd buy it hook, line & sinker if earnings reports matched up but all I see are earnings up every quarter for the last couple of years. They are covering all their expenses and making cash. Good for them, but they don't need to sugarcoat stuff or lie about stupid things like adding additional costs to fund further enployee training.

 

[ShadowCatcher]

I'd buy it hook, line & sinker if earnings reports matched up but all I see are earnings up every quarter for the last couple of years. They are covering all their expenses and making cash. Good for them, but they don't need to sugarcoat stuff or lie about stupid things like adding additional costs to fund further enployee training.

Right now, most companies are cash heavy due to uncertainties in our, and world, markets. However, I agree - don't lie to us (on the other hand, it does take big bucks for all that training Big Red gives to their sales reps and phone service techs... [cue eye roll]

 

[lou61166]

No one should be surprised, it's Verizon!

The data plans shouldn't be more than $10 per GB.

Right now VZW is over charging us with the current $30 for 2GB.


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[rbess1965]

The only "benefit" I could see would be the mobile hotspot. But if you're gonna pay the same price, why not just keep unlimited? Make those phones really last. If you really get a strong impulse to upgrade your phones, well, you have the option to switch plans later on.
I rarely go over 5GB, but I like having unlimited for the same reasons I like eating at buffets. Obviously I won't be eating everything available, but I have a sense of comfort knowing there's more where that came from if I ever need it.

What good is included mobile hot spot if by having it you will be using more data anyway. You'll end up paying for the highest data plan by using hot spot.

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[skatergirl]

I rarely go over 5GB, but I like having unlimited for the same reasons I like eating at buffets. Obviously I won't be eating everything available, but I have a sense of comfort knowing there's more where that came from if I ever need it.

I don't like buffets because I am forever counting calories ... LOL! So, I will handle limited data better than others because I am used to the torture that comes with discipline!

 

[Dovahkiin]

I don't like buffets because I am forever counting calories ... LOL! So, I will handle limited data better than others because I am used to the torture that comes with discipline!

Yeah but in this case, you won't be gaining any weight. So dig in!

 

[kgirl808]

I'm contemplating the plan also. I have 4 phones on my account and 1 is not on the family plan. Thinking it might be a good thing because it would save us about $20-30. My current family plan is a special regional plan that Verizon was doing a while back. The catch w/ that is that everyone on that plan had to be on a certain area code and my boyfriend who's phone isn't on the family plan didn't want to change his number so we had to keep him on a separate plan. He makes tons of calls so every month we have to monitor it just to make sure he never goes over. The plan would work to where he can be back on the family plan and we don't have to worry again about him going over his minutes. The only downside w/ the shared data is losing the unlimited grandfathered plan and my son uses 2-4gb every month so I would have to worry if anyone goes over their portion.

 

[majorpayne]

I think if you took a poll, you would (sadly for some) see that a lot of people are going to benefit from this.

See I disagree on this part as I only have 2 Smartphones out of the 5 on my account. ok thats 60 bucks for 2 phone unlimited and I use about 3 gigs a month.. So if i go to the shared data I have to choose the 4gb(according to verizon's site) which charges an extra 10 bucks over thier 1 gb plan... so now i'm paying 60 bucks for 4 gig limit. now add 3 non smart phones at 30 each (normally 10) and my bill goes up 60 bucks. Now before some comes by and say but that for unlimited talk and text.

i already get unlimited text and 1400 mins which between 5 phones we used 490 mins last month and on ave we hit that mark almost every month as 90% of our friends and family's are on verizon or i hae added them to my 10 friends and family...

so who wants to really pay 60 more a month for less data (major concern) but unlimited voice( minor concern as we use next to nothing) I have been with verizon for over 10 years and If this doesn't change i will be leaving them sadly if i can

 

[zrxoa1]

I am in exact same boat....five phones, only two are smartphones and those two are unlimited data. 1400 minute plan with unlimited text. My bill, taxes and all, is $201/month. The New plans would not save me a single cent. Would actually cost me more and give me less.

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[skatergirl]

See I disagree on this part as I only have 2 Smartphones out of the 5 on my account. ok thats 60 bucks for 2 phone unlimited and I use about 3 gigs a month.. So if i go to the shared data I have to choose the 4gb(according to verizon's site) which charges an extra 10 bucks over thier 1 gb plan... so now i'm paying 60 bucks for 4 gig limit. now add 3 non smart phones at 30 each (normally 10) and my bill goes up 60 bucks. Now before some comes by and say but that for unlimited talk and text.

i already get unlimited text and 1400 mins which between 5 phones we used 490 mins last month and on ave we hit that mark almost every month as 90% of our friends and family's are on verizon or i hae added them to my 10 friends and family...

so who wants to really pay 60 more a month for less data (major concern) but unlimited voice( minor concern as we use next to nothing) I have been with verizon for over 10 years and If this doesn't change i will be leaving them sadly if i can

You are correct that a lot of people will not benefit from this but I am also correct that a lot of people will benefit from this. We all lose in the end because something is being taken away from us and we all have to adapt, but there are a lot of people on family plans who have smartphones and are currently throwing away $30 a month per person for data that is never, ever used.

Those with a number of dumbphones on their account, or those who use a ton of data will feel the pinch. Those with a number of smartphones who use wifi and who can easily share the data will feel a reprieve in the wallet.

 

[skatergirl]

See I disagree on this part as I only have 2 Smartphones out of the 5 on my account. ok thats 60 bucks for 2 phone unlimited and I use about 3 gigs a month.. So if i go to the shared data I have to choose the 4gb(according to verizon's site) which charges an extra 10 bucks over thier 1 gb plan... so now i'm paying 60 bucks for 4 gig limit. now add 3 non smart phones at 30 each (normally 10) and my bill goes up 60 bucks. Now before some comes by and say but that for unlimited talk and text.

i already get unlimited text and 1400 mins which between 5 phones we used 490 mins last month and on ave we hit that mark almost every month as 90% of our friends and family's are on verizon or i hae added them to my 10 friends and family...

so who wants to really pay 60 more a month for less data (major concern) but unlimited voice( minor concern as we use next to nothing) I have been with verizon for over 10 years and If this doesn't change i will be leaving them sadly if i can

P.S. I do think it totally sucks for anyone who will be faced with a higher bill down the road. I think this is where Verizon totally messed up. Yes, it is great that some people will see a reduction, but others should not see an increase.

 

[dpham00]

P.S. I do think it totally sucks for anyone who will be faced with a higher bill down the road. I think this is where Verizon totally messed up. Yes, it is great that some people will see a reduction, but others should not see an increase.

Why would verizon do that? Their point is to make MORE money, not less. I am sure that they have to be making more, otherwise they would keep the status quo.

 

[kgirl808]

Why would verizon do that? Their point is to make MORE money, not less. I am sure that they have to be making more, otherwise they would keep the status quo.

I don't think she was speaking on behalf of Verizon, I could be wrong but it sounds like it was more directed @ us. I took it as Verizon messed up by making us consumers pissed off where they are taking more money than they already are.

Yeah some will benefit from this plan and some won't, I just wished they gave us that option of that happy medium but of course that would be in a perfect world.

 

[ShadowCatcher]

Verizon's goal is to make money. The best way to do that, in any business, is to keep your customers happy by offering quality service and products at a reasonable price. Does this move by Verizon do that? Only time will tell whether this is a good move or a Netflix redux. If the new rates work for you, great. If not, vote with your feet and pocketbook.

 

[NoYankees44]

Verizon will keep raising the price as long as ppl keep paying. That's the way the market works. If we quit paying it, it would go down or Verizon would go out. It's price you pay for having the best service and generally fastest speeds.

I have mixed feelings about the whole thing. I expected Verizon to be the last company in existence to move to share data plans just because it makes sense and could save ppl some money. I would be all for it if the prices were not so ridiculously high. I mean if it were $50 for 10 gigs instead of 1 I would be praising them on high mountains. But it's not and it is ridiculous. Eventually it might save my family money, but right now it's going to be about the same.

I have never had unlimited, so ya know

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[Joelist]

I have a funny feeling that we will see a revision to Share Everything in the next few weeks - probably one that changes the pricing on the smaller data buckets to line up better with the pricing on the larger buckets (in terms of price per GB).

 

[skatergirl]

I have a funny feeling that we will see a revision to Share Everything in the next few weeks - probably one that changes the pricing on the smaller data buckets to line up better with the pricing on the larger buckets (in terms of price per GB).

That would be nice!

 

[skatergirl]

I don't think she was speaking on behalf of Verizon, I could be wrong but it sounds like it was more directed @ us. I took it as Verizon messed up by making us consumers pissed off where they are taking more money than they already are.

Yeah some will benefit from this plan and some won't, I just wished they gave us that option of that happy medium but of course that would be in a perfect world.

Yes, I was trying to say that it is unfortunate that some people see a negative effect with these plans.

 

[twolastnames]

http://crackberry.com/what-verizon%E2%80%99s-new-share-everything-plans-mean-wireless-industry

This article makes some sense to me. Cable companies are essentially doing the same thing at the moment. Dumping subs that are not as sticky as others.

 

[humpagardengnome]

http://crackberry.com/what-verizon%E2%80%99s-new-share-everything-plans-mean-wireless-industry

This article makes some sense to me. Cable companies are essentially doing the same thing at the moment. Dumping subs that are not as sticky as others.

Article makes sense but it really makes me question the plan structures. Given their new stance on voice & sms. I truly find it highly unreasonable they will charge more just to own a data capable phone on the same monthly plan as a dumbphone. What is the justifiable means for this when they require a data plan to use it to begin with? What does an LTE phone do that makes it cost more than a dumbphone to place a call? It makes no sense, in light of them stating, calling and texting doesn't hog resources, so little that it's now unlimited usage. Monthly network service access should be the same across the board. As far as fairness goes, it reeks of bull terds. It almost seems like unethical practice to me.