Adreno 320 vs Mali MP4? S4 Pro Vs Exynos

[Bradah]

Note 2 in my opinion is better than Nexus 4 with the Adreno 320 in terms of graphics performance but the quad s4 pro is better than exynos 4412 by a wee bit (CPU doesn't take a big part in gaming btw, gpu does) If you're getting note 2 against optimus g or nexus 4, i'd choose note 2 since the ui is really smooth with the 2gb ram. If this didn't tell you anything and your getting the droid DNA, STOP droid dna has same specs as nexus and opti g execpt with better software (trust me) but since the res is so high playing games can lag and note 2 can actually put perform droid dna in games and btw not all games are 1080p so the 720p screen will play alot of game usally alot better sharpness.

UPDATE:found out samsungs software or gpu or wat eva is so smooth because it doesn't show every single detail in games because the app think that it's not powerful enough to handle those extra bit details but relax popular game devopers like gameloft ea etc is all optimised

 

[Bradah]

Mali 400MP4 is better for gaming in Note 2 (dont buy and random phone with mali 400 because the extra MP4 means Quad Core Graphics)
Adreno 320 is not bad at all buit just not as good in terms of Frame rate but it happens actually show more textures in some games (SOME not all) like gta

For me gaming is better on Note 2's Mali 400MP4.

CPU
i dont really care about cpu cause it doesnt really affect graphics to much
but if you really want a answer S4 Pro no doubt but just a little bit exynos is not bad at too

 

[Jason Rodriguez2]

Problem?

still think it's faster Mali 400?

Mali 400 vs Adreno 320 GPU

 

[Onemoa]

Mali 400MP is not the same as Mali 400

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[Onemoa]

Nexus 7 and Nexus 10. Both of which run completely different chipsets. Optimized for changes in the OS framework and optimized for the specific chipset aren't the same thing. It all goes back to the software being optimized for hardware, and in some cases software being optimized for software (which is why the Note 2 can score higher than phones with much faster chipsets in benchmarks).

Compared to Exynos yes the S4 is mindblowing. Talk to me again in a year or so. Exynos from the Note 2 won't be in any device that could be considered even remotely high-end. The S4 Pro, OTOH, will be in plenty. Along with Exynos 5xxx and Tegra 4 (or whatever nVidia will call it).

It's been about half a year+ and the Note 2 is still owning it up in games, it's CPU is still high end, it's a great phone that is even better then the Galaxy S4.

So you were wrong man. The Note 2's display is even beating or just as good if not better then the phone being released now.

The Note 3 is coming out in a few weeks. I don't know about it though. The display might be pentile. If that's so then I'll wait about 9 or 10 months for the Note 4.

I plan on it anyway. As the Note 2 is amazing still. And even with the HTC One, LG OG Pro, and Samsung Galaxy S4. The Note 2 is still on top.

The Note 3 will be a upgrade for those that don't have a Note 2. If you have a Note 2, you would be better off waiting for the Note 4.

Though we will have to see the final product. The Note 3 could turn out to be great. It just suck's the Note 2 hasn't received the update it was promised, and was supposed to be released in July. Samsung basically pushed the Note 2 off to the side. I mean really... What would stop Samsung from doing the same with the Note 3.

But consumer's will do what they do and Samsung's marketing is very good. It's allot of BS but for the average person that doesn't know better. They can easily think this new feature is something they can't live without yet the Note 2 will get the same features...

I'm just really wondering what type of display it will have. If it's the same as the Note 2's that would be amazing. The other thing is battery life. It's too bad we aren't getting the new Octa-Core processor. I would much rather have better battery life then a CPU that just has higher benchmark scores and no real world difference.

But I'm sure the US version Note 3 will have at least a little longer battery life. But the deal breaker will be the display. As I said before, if it's a pentile display like the S4 and S3's that would force me to wait for the Note 4 as I'm already most likely going to do.

Just because that's when we will see some real big jumps in phone technology. Right now it's hovering around the same area. But it's a good area. Like the Motorola Moto X, it's dual core CPU is almost as good as the high end phone's out right now. The benchmark is very good for a dual core. But benchmarks really don't mean anything. And it's been shown that they can be totally wrong when it comes to real world performance. The best way to benchmark is use multiple benchmark app's and even then it can be wrong or be very right. I've found them to be somewhat right. But there are just do many factor's...

Like a mid range device or high range device. I've seen mid range device's run smooth as can be run games great and show no signs of lag. Then I'll use a high end device like the S4 for example, it was a friends and it was a laggy phone. Very laggy.. My Note 2 runs so smooth compared to it. I couldn't believe it. Start up, games. Everything ran better and much smoother.

It was his second S4 since he returned the first one. So I'm guessing it's an issue with hardware/software not getting along.

So this is why some phones last for years and keep up with newer devices while others don't..

Like the Note 2 it's a damn great phone and will be for a long time to come. It was made with such great components, it's just perfect. Like the display. It's the best you can get right now. I'm hoping the Note 3 will be the same.

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[Kevin OQuinn]

It's been about half a year+ and the Note 2 is still owning it up in games, it's CPU is still high end, it's a great phone that is even better then the Galaxy S4.

So you were wrong man. The Note 2's display is even beating or just as good if not better then the phone being released now.

The Note 3 is coming out in a few weeks. I don't know about it though. The display might be pentile. If that's so then I'll wait about 9 or 10 months for the Note 4.

I plan on it anyway. As the Note 2 is amazing still. And even with the HTC One, LG OG Pro, and Samsung Galaxy S4. The Note 2 is still on top.

The Note 3 will be a upgrade for those that don't have a Note 2. If you have a Note 2, you would be better off waiting for the Note 4.

Though we will have to see the final product. The Note 3 could turn out to be great. It just suck's the Note 2 hasn't received the update it was promised, and was supposed to be released in July. Samsung basically pushed the Note 2 off to the side. I mean really... What would stop Samsung from doing the same with the Note 3.

But consumer's will do what they do and Samsung's marketing is very good. It's allot of BS but for the average person that doesn't know better. They can easily think this new feature is something they can't live without yet the Note 2 will get the same features...

I'm just really wondering what type of display it will have. If it's the same as the Note 2's that would be amazing. The other thing is battery life. It's too bad we aren't getting the new Octa-Core processor. I would much rather have better battery life then a CPU that just has higher benchmark scores and no real world difference.

But I'm sure the US version Note 3 will have at least a little longer battery life. But the deal breaker will be the display. As I said before, if it's a pentile display like the S4 and S3's that would force me to wait for the Note 4 as I'm already most likely going to do.

Just because that's when we will see some real big jumps in phone technology. Right now it's hovering around the same area. But it's a good area. Like the Motorola Moto X, it's dual core CPU is almost as good as the high end phone's out right now. The benchmark is very good for a dual core. But benchmarks really don't mean anything. And it's been shown that they can be totally wrong when it comes to real world performance. The best way to benchmark is use multiple benchmark app's and even then it can be wrong or be very right. I've found them to be somewhat right. But there are just do many factor's...

Like a mid range device or high range device. I've seen mid range device's run smooth as can be run games great and show no signs of lag. Then I'll use a high end device like the S4 for example, it was a friends and it was a laggy phone. Very laggy.. My Note 2 runs so smooth compared to it. I couldn't believe it. Start up, games. Everything ran better and much smoother.

It was his second S4 since he returned the first one. So I'm guessing it's an issue with hardware/software not getting along.

So this is why some phones last for years and keep up with newer devices while others don't..

Like the Note 2 it's a damn great phone and will be for a long time to come. It was made with such great components, it's just perfect. Like the display. It's the best you can get right now. I'm hoping the Note 3 will be the same.

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Actually I was spot on. The exynos quad hasn't been in any device since the Note 2. The S4 Pro has been, and now we have the S600/800. Tegra 4 is out, but only in select devices, and Samsung is on their second iteration of Octa.

As for displays, the Note 2 is good, but not when compared to any of the 1080p panels currently being used.

Yes, like you said, the Note 3 will most likely be announced soon, and I'm sure it'll have top end specs.

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[Onemoa]

You're very wrong when it comes to the Note 2's display. It's better or just as good as most of the 1080p displays. Like the S4,HTC One, LG OG Pro, ect and so on.

I mean really... You can't tell between 720p and 1080p displays on phones with a display size of 6"- 7". Unless it's a pentile display. Like the S3 and S4 then you can really tell a difference.

The Note 2 has one of if not the best display on phones right now. It's due to it having 2x more sub pixel's. Because it's RGB layout, rather then the cheap pentile display. You would find on the 1st Galaxy S and 3rd Galaxy S along with the 4th Galaxy S. The reason you don't see it as badly on the S4 is it's high PPI on a 4.99" display. So Side by side even though the S4 is 1080p and has a half inch smaller display the Note 2's display looks better and it's 720p. All due to amazing RGB Pixel layout. Samsung called it Super AMOLED "Plus" the "Plus" meaning it's RGB.

So that's why the Note 2 holds up to these other 1080p displays that are very unneeded.

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[Kevin OQuinn]

You're very wrong when it comes to the Note 2's display. It's better or just as good as most of the 1080p displays. Like the S4,HTC One, LG OG Pro, ect and so on.

I mean really... You can't tell between 720p and 1080p displays on phones with a display size of 6"- 7". Unless it's a pentile display. Like the S3 and S4 then you can really tell a difference.

The Note 2 has one of if not the best display on phones right now. It's due to it having 2x more sub pixel's. Because it's RGB layout, rather then the cheap pentile display. You would find on the 1st Galaxy S and 3rd Galaxy S along with the 4th Galaxy S. The reason you don't see it as badly on the S4 is it's high PPI on a 4.99" display. So Side by side even though the S4 is 1080p and has a half inch smaller display the Note 2's display looks better and it's 720p. All due to amazing RGB Pixel layout. Samsung called it Super AMOLED "Plus" the "Plus" meaning it's RGB.

So that's why the Note 2 holds up to these other 1080p displays that are very unneeded.

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I get that you really like the Note 2 and want to defend it, but take a look at this.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6386/samsung-galaxy-note-2-review-t-mobile-/8

It's less sharp, less accurate (with both color and gray scale) , has a lower maximum brightness, and over saturated colors. And that's compared to last year's 720p panels, not this year's 1080p panels. The Note 2 didn't have a competitive display when it launched, and it's only been more out classed since then.

Does that make it a terrible display? No, but if display quality is high on your list of desirable traits for a phone, the Note 2 doesn't belong on the list.

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[Onemoa]

You're wrong again. I'm defending the RGB Pixel layout the Note 2 just so happens to have.

I guess it's you tying to defend you're S4. And you must admit the Note 2 has a great display, better then the S4's. I'm not talking about resolution either. Of course the higher the resolution the higher pixel per inch. But that does not mean it's a better quality display.

To the naked eye, the Note 2 has a better display as well as under a microscope. Quality is what I'm taking about here.

There are reviews that show the Note 2 has a better display compared to the S4 all over the place. I don't need to post them you can Google it up if you like.

When viewing the Note 2 with the naked eye. You can see the quality of the display. It's a good 267ppi, nothing like the S4 but the S4 is 1080p.

When you look at the S4 with the naked eye you can see it's grainy and you can't really see the pixels it's more like everything is mashed together. Like when looking at icons on the screen. There is a weird looking grainish apearince. Though when you look from a normal distance it looks okay besides the grainy look on light colors.

You don't get any of that effect with the Note 2's display. At the most you will just see pixel's if you look at the screen 2"or 3" away. Something no one would ever do under normal use.

So both phones look good under normal viewing. The Note 2 has better color correctness due to it's RGB layout. The S4 looks grainy on light colors. It's hardly noticeable. It also depends on the screen mode you're using. Some people like the colors to pop even though they are not real looking. Some people like a more normal look. I use the natural screen mode and I keep change display tone depending on what's being displayed for better battery off.

My Note 2's display looks great. And I love the more true colors and contrast.

I think the S4 is a great phone. It's just that I don't like pentile displays. In fact no one does.

If you can't admit RGB is better then pentile. Then you don't know displays. It's not even that technical really. RGB displays give you 2x the sub pixels you get in pentile displays. The more sub pixel's the better. It's that simple.

I don't want to fight about what device is better. I am just simply stating fact's.

Samsung did a good job with there pentile display on the S4 but it's mainly due to the display being such a high resolution. If you look at the S3 and it's pentile display compared to the Note 2's RGB display. You can really see how great the Note 2's display is. 4.8" display vs 5.55" display. The same resolution but the smaller display looks like crap compared to the bigger display. Because the bigger display is RGB. And the smaller display is pentile like the S4"s display.

Now you see how the Note 2's display is very very good. In fact great. And can easily stand up to pentile displays. Such as the S4's and S3's.

Ok I'm finished. If you don't see that the Note 2 has a top end display. Then you're just to much of a fan boy and no matter what anyone says in you're mind you're phone has the best of everything... I feel sorry for you if that's the case.

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[Kevin OQuinn]

You're wrong again. I'm defending the RGB Pixel layout the Note 2 just so happens to have.

I guess it's you tying to defend you're S4. And you must admit the Note 2 has a great display, better then the S4's. I'm not talking about resolution either. Of course the higher the resolution the higher pixel per inch. But that does not mean it's a better quality display.

To the naked eye, the Note 2 has a better display as well as under a microscope. Quality is what I'm taking about here.

There are reviews that show the Note 2 has a better display compared to the S4 all over the place. I don't need to post them you can Google it up if you like.

When viewing the Note 2 with the naked eye. You can see the quality of the display. It's a good 267ppi, nothing like the S4 but the S4 is 1080p.

When you look at the S4 with the naked eye you can see it's grainy and you can't really see the pixels it's more like everything is mashed together. Like when looking at icons on the screen. There is a weird looking grainish apearince. Though when you look from a normal distance it looks okay besides the grainy look on light colors.

You don't get any of that effect with the Note 2's display. At the most you will just see pixel's if you look at the screen 2"or 3" away. Something no one would ever do under normal use.

So both phones look good under normal viewing. The Note 2 has better color correctness due to it's RGB layout. The S4 looks grainy on light colors. It's hardly noticeable. It also depends on the screen mode you're using. Some people like the colors to pop even though they are not real looking. Some people like a more normal look. I use the natural screen mode and I keep change display tone depending on what's being displayed for better battery off.

My Note 2's display looks great. And I love the more true colors and contrast.

I think the S4 is a great phone. It's just that I don't like pentile displays. In fact no one does.

If you can't admit RGB is better then pentile. Then you don't know displays. It's not even that technical really. RGB displays give you 2x the sub pixels you get in pentile displays. The more sub pixel's the better. It's that simple.

I don't want to fight about what device is better. I am just simply stating fact's.

Samsung did a good job with there pentile display on the S4 but it's mainly due to the display being such a high resolution. If you look at the S3 and it's pentile display compared to the Note 2's RGB display. You can really see how great the Note 2's display is. 4.8" display vs 5.55" display. The same resolution but the smaller display looks like crap compared to the bigger display. Because the bigger display is RGB. And the smaller display is pentile like the S4"s display.

Now you see how the Note 2's display is very very good. In fact great. And can easily stand up to pentile displays. Such as the S4's and S3's.

Ok I'm finished. If you don't see that the Note 2 has a top end display. Then you're just to much of a fan boy and no matter what anyone says in you're mind you're phone has the best of everything... I feel sorry for you if that's the case.

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Where did you get that I have an S4? Also, where did you get that the subpixel arrangement is the sole deciding factor in the quality of a display? I'm well aware of subpixel arrangements.

At the PPI the S4 achieves (since that's what you're focusing on) the pentile doesn't matter. Did you look at the link I posted? Color reproduction is not good. It's not an opinion. It's a fact. It's oversaturated and has a very inaccurate gray scale.

Again, you're more than welcome to have the opinion that the Note 2 display is the best in the world to you. But the facts don't line up with your opinion.

Even the display on the One X is far superior. 720p there, too.

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[TheLibertarian]

You're wrong again.

Were you going to link any sources supporting your opinion, or just keep telling another user is a wrong?

The Note II was certainly not the best display of 2012, and it's most definitely outclassed by the '13 1080p units. Time to do some research here.

The human eye cannot, or at least struggles to, differentiate pixel after the 300ppi mark. Due to the Note II's size, it's well under 300ppi.

It's difficult, if not impossible, noticing differences between 1080/720 on smaller, sub 5" devices; you're entirely incorrect thinking users wouldn't notice those differences on 6"+ displays as they would be far more visible due to the much lower PPI.

That said, what does your opinion of your Note II's outdated display have to do with this archaic thread?

 

[Onemoa]

Lol. I love how you guys say outdated. As if the S4 is not. Or pretty much every device after you walk out the door of where you bought it, is outdated.

There will always be something better in the works before the new device you just bought is released.

The way tech is right now. You can never have the best and if you think you do it's because you want it to be. It's all about opinion.

But the fact is the Note 2 uses far superior display technology. You can argue with anyone and everyone about it if you want.

You just need to chill and if you like you're device then good. I know I like mine and it's great for me at the moment. It might not be the best once the Note 3 is released. But I'm not sure if I'm going to get it. Since the Note 2 is great.

You can argue about PPI all you want but it's not the same if it's not the same technology. RGB PPI looks much different then pentile. Look it up it's a fact.

Anyway, like I said. Chill out and if you like you're device then good for you. You don't have to spread BS about other devices though.

Like I said before we're all on Android, unless you have an iPhone.. Either way I could care less. Just be happy with what you have because it will be outdated as soon as you buy it. Or you could buy a new device every few months just to say you have the best and even then it's only you're opinion.

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[TheLibertarian]

Lol. I love how you guys say outdated. As if the S4 is not. Or pretty much every device after you walk out the door of where you bought it, is outdated.

There will always be something better in the works before the new device you just bought is released.

The way tech is right now. You can never have the best and if you think you do it's because you want it to be. It's all about opinion.

What does that have to do with in this conversation?

You can argue about PPI all you want but it's not the same if it's not the same technology. RGB PPI looks much different then pentile. Look it up it's a fact.

So? A low pixel count is a low pixel count. Doesn't matter if the device is RGB, PenTile, or IPS LCD; poor resolution will always be readily apparent. The PPI on your device is far worse due it's size, and you incorrectly attempted to say that resolution or PPI do not matter on 6"+ devices when that is utterly false.

If any devices "need" a 1080p display, is larger devices.

You don't have to spread BS about other devices though.4

You're right, you don't.

Anyway, like I said. Chill out and if you like you're device then good for you. You don't have to spread BS about other devices though.

Who isn't calm? You're the one who resurrected a long since deceased thread to rant about your Note II. Who needs to chill out?

But the fact is the Note 2 uses far superior display technology. You can argue with anyone and everyone about it if you want.

Far superior display technology as compared to what? That's not a fact; that statement doesn't even make sense.

That fact is, the display on your Note II is not in the same league as the 1080p displays used today. If you're happy with your II, then great, enjoy it. I don't see what your goal was in reopening this thread just to profess your love for your device. However, don't go thinking the dimly lit, over-saturated, low PPI count display is some gold standard of displays, because it's not. The Note II did not have the best display of 2012, and it's certainly not relevant in 2013.

 

[Onemoa]

What does that have to do with in this conversation?



So? A low pixel count is a low pixel count. Doesn't matter if the device is RGB, PenTile, or IPS LCD; poor resolution will always be readily apparent. The PPI on your device is far worse due it's size, and you incorrectly attempted to say that resolution or PPI do not matter on 6"+ devices when that is utterly false.

If any devices "need" a 1080p display, is larger devices.



You're right, you don't.



Who isn't calm? You're the one who resurrected a long since deceased thread to rant about your Note II. Who needs to chill out?



Far superior display technology as compared to what? That's not a fact; that statement doesn't even make sense.

That fact is, the display on your Note II is not in the same league as the 1080p displays used today. If you're happy with your II, then great, enjoy it. I don't see what your goal was in reopening this thread just to profess your love for your device. However, don't go thinking the dimly lit, over-saturated, low PPI count display is some gold standard of displays, because it's not. The Note II did not have the best display of 2012, and it's certainly not relevant in 2013.

You just don't get it. A screen that's 5" with pentile layout will look much worse then a screen 5 inches with a RGB layout. You are the type that just want to argue even though you have no idea what you're talking about.

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[TheLibertarian]

You just don't get it. A screen that's 5" with pentile layout will look much worse then a screen 5 inches with a RGB layout. You are the type that just want to argue even though you have no idea what you're talking about.

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You may want to read through our posts, because at no point was that even argued.

 

[Onemoa]

Yeah I agree. Not sure why he was trying to argue about it so much. It was way off topic.

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[MindBlank_o_0]

I'm really sorry for resurrecting this thread, but I've been reading the cr@p that this Onemoa guy posted about his Note 2 display.

Dude, I had the Note 1, the Note 2, have an S4, a Note 3 (and to cut the Samsung haters off, I also had a Nexus 4, have a Nexus 5, have a Z1 etc.)

Note 1 had a beautiful display for the time. Note 2 had a better display, but the slightly increased size and slightly decreased resolution (1280x720 compared to x800 for the N1) completely canceled the effects of the RGB layout, and made the display look less sharp. I know what I'm talking about, I had both devices for months and compared them side by side. I was -- *shock* -- disappointed by the N2's display when it arrived and I compared it with my N1's.

Let me set you clear on some stuff: sub-pixels per inch.

Note 2 has 265 PPI, and 265 green, red, blue SPPI, equal amount due to its RGB layout. Screen size is 5.5".
S4 has 441 PPI, and 441 green SPPI, only 312 red and blue SPPI. An that's in a 5" screen.

If we only compare the PPI, there is absolutely no contest between the two. Even with its PenTile layout, it just destroys the Note 2's display. Even the lowest counting subpixels are in greater amount that the Note 2's, and that's in a smaller screen. Not to mention the fact that it has better color reproduction, it's much brighter, it has better grays and without streaking, a closer to ideal white point etc.
Have you actually looked at an S4's screen? It looks good. Very few screens look better overall than the S4's and sure as heck the Note 2's isn't one of them.

II can also say that there is even a difference (very slight though) between the S4 and the Note 3 (PPI wise). At *very* close viewing distance, you *may* discern a very sliiiiight pixelation effect. However, the Note 3's display is superior to the S4's due to brightness, color reproduction and other important things.

Note 2 has a good display, and that's it. Having an RGB matrix does not automatically make it the best evaaaah screen that Samsung produced regardless of other parameters. How about you sell it and get a Note 3. By your account, the screen would be a downgrade, right? Post afterwards a let us see you opinion.