ALL X Owners looking to Root/Hack in the Future - READ THIS

[DaRkL3AD3R]

brand new to Android and are rooting using these "one-click" methods and do all these things having no idea what they could be doing to their phones.

I couldn't agree more avl. I feel like this whole thing is a double-edged sword. My only intentions by making this thread were to ward people from the risk involved with accepting an OTA that no one knows the repercussions for. But at the same time I don't want people who are less than informed when it comes to rooting and hacking to rush out and get themselves in a mess. I have been more than willing to help people fix their problems and get through all their situations, but I definitely can see what you mean if it were to come through in floods.

Anyways, at least you know where I'm coming from with this.

If I were to simply wait a couple of days once the OTA update is available, would the hacking community know if the bootloader had changed and what exploits would work?

My plan has been to avoided rooting and running custom ROMs,etc, until after the 2.2 update.

Yes if you gave it a day or two I'm sure the necessary information would be readily available on this forum and many others. The problem is holding off on the OTA until that information is available. Once an OTA is pushed to your phone nothing short of powering it off can really stop it. Hence why I recommend those looking to dip into the hacking scene later down the road, consider taking that plunge now and loading up the leaked 2.2. It prevents the OTA from hitting your phone and effectively gives you unlimited time to let that information hit the net.

 

[GatorPT]

all i want to know is when the official 2.2 comes out , and it is not locked down like fort knox and we can root , what do i have to do to get it. I am rooted , running Launcher Pro plus , Rom manager installed 2.2 for me . i have not removed anything nor do i plan on changing any names of apps , just run 2.2 rooted for wifi tether and dro cap , and things like that.
Secondly i like the look of 2.2 , but i want a darker status bar , if i DL onix, or flyx, will it change the look of my phone now besides the dark status bar of course?

 

[WAldenIV]

Yes if you gave it a day or two I'm sure the necessary information would be readily available on this forum and many others. The problem is holding off on the OTA until that information is available. Once an OTA is pushed to your phone nothing short of powering it off can really stop it. Hence why I recommend those looking to dip into the hacking scene later down the road, consider taking that plunge now and loading up the leaked 2.2. It prevents the OTA from hitting your phone and effectively gives you unlimited time to let that information hit the net.

I thought you simply got a notification that an update was available and that you had to allow it to be installed. It might be a pain to get a notification every 30 minutes, though.

 

[doctorlove316]

I thought you simply got a notification that an update was available and that you had to allow it to be installed. It might be a pain to get a notification every 30 minutes, though.

And I've heard (don't know if it's true or not) but if you don't tell the notification "not now" it'll just download on it's own.

 

[mikejs78]

You have a few facts wrong. There are really two bootloaders on the Droid X, one which starts immediately on system boot and is tied to the physical encryption of the OMAP processor. That bootloader checks the signature of the second, updatable bootloader and makes sure it is Moto signed against the encryption key in the OMAP. It is the second bootloader that changes on a software update. I believe however that Birdman is attacking the first, so that even if 2.2 ota updates the main bootloader, it doesn't change the first bootloader and the hardwired OMAP. You may lose root with the OTA, but that will be temporary and whatever Birdman is able to do shouldn't be affected. I believe he found a hardware vulnerability that can't be fixed by any software update.

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[derpudel]

Also, Birdman tweeted tonight that the OTA 2.2 time for release is unknown by Verizon central office, whatever that means.

 

[tdrus1]

Also, Birdman tweeted tonight that the OTA 2.2 time for release is unknown by Verizon central office, whatever that means.

thats freakin great.

 

[DaRkL3AD3R]

You have a few facts wrong. There are really two bootloaders on the Droid X, one which starts immediately on system boot and is tied to the physical encryption of the OMAP processor. That bootloader checks the signature of the second, updatable bootloader and makes sure it is Moto signed against the encryption key in the OMAP. It is the second bootloader that changes on a software update. I believe however that Birdman is attacking the first, so that even if 2.2 ota updates the main bootloader, it doesn't change the first bootloader and the hardwired OMAP. You may lose root with the OTA, but that will be temporary and whatever Birdman is able to do shouldn't be affected. I believe he found a hardware vulnerability that can't be fixed by any software update.

I certainly hope thats right and Birdman succeeds in cracking that boot-loader.

 

[greydarrah]

When the X first came out, I think I remember a number of threads saying that we'll never be able to root this one...Motorola has it locked up too tight. A couple of days later, it was rooted. I have faith in the geeks.

 

[Flawson]

So explain it to me like I am a five year old...if I did root now, I could still at any time return to the stock state and get the official ota if I so chose?
Sorry, I'm one of those android newbs and I was really just hanging back and observing the whole hacking scene for the x, until I felt compelled/confident/informed enough to do it. But this makes me definitely feel like I might be kicking myself later if I don't jump on it...I'm not computer illiterate or anything, I just wanted to be more well versed in this particular hardware and software before I went messing about.
BUT- I am also wondering if I will be mad in the event that moto's official ota fixes things that haven't been fixed by the hacking community, if I have to "marry" the leaked version for root.
I think I know the answer to this, but I need reassurance. And I promise no other n00b questions in this thread.

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[DaRkL3AD3R]

So explain it to me like I am a five year old...if I did root now, I could still at any time return to the stock state and get the official ota if I so chose?
Sorry, I'm one of those android newbs and I was really just hanging back and observing the whole hacking scene for the x, until I felt compelled/confident/informed enough to do it. But this makes me definitely feel like I might be kicking myself later if I don't jump on it...I'm not computer illiterate or anything, I just wanted to be more well versed in this particular hardware and software before I went messing about.
BUT- I am also wondering if I will be mad in the event that moto's official ota fixes things that haven't been fixed by the hacking community, if I have to "marry" the leaked version for root.
I think I know the answer to this, but I need reassurance. And I promise no other n00b questions in this thread.

Yes you can always flash back to 2.1u1 .604 whenever you choose to. If you're not comfortable with doing it, then don't. But the option is always there to flash back and continue on your merry way.

 

[lindycu]

Yes you can always flash back to 2.1u1 .604 whenever you choose to. If you're not comfortable with doing it, then don't. But the option is always there to flash back and continue on your merry way.

That is a point that should be highlighted for the masses. Its not imperative that you root and run unofficial now. If you OTA to 2.2 and learn that they added something....you could revert to 2.1 and then run unofficial. Correct?

 

[DaRkL3AD3R]

That is a point that should be highlighted for the masses. Its not imperative that you root and run unofficial now. If you OTA to 2.2 and learn that they added something....you could revert to 2.1 and then run unofficial. Correct?

Yes however, updating to an OTA updates the boot-loader, which SBF flashing does not downgrade back to. I know some people believe that it doesn't affect Birdman's efforts right now, but I'm playing it better safe than sorry.

 

[Flawson]

Thanks again dark! I think I'm still staying stock for now, but that could change tomorrow. There is an ever increasing list of things I want that require rooting, so I may snap at any time...still collecting data. Thanks for the great help on here, dark l. and all you other 'droid pros...

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[DaRkL3AD3R]

No problem Flawson. Well if you do decide to root and upgrade, there's plenty of information to help get you where you need to be just on these forums here at AC.

Let me know if you need anything, I'll be glad to help.

 

[Flawson]

Alright, I caved. I rooted last night, following avl's instruction post. I read that whole thread about birdman et al finding the boot exploit, that definitely seems pretty real. Now I just need to install froyo and I'm good.

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[LVracerGT]

Decided to root and install froyo. I have two questions now.

1. I am now tempted to try Birdman's FlyX. If I load this ROM will I be able to go back to stock 2.1 and do the official OTA 2.2 if I want to?

2. I am having trouble finding information on how to go back to stock 2.1. I have no idea what an SBF is and can't seem to find anything that explains what it is. Can someone point me in the right direction on where to find all the info I need to go back to stock 2.1 when (if) I want to. Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

 

[jsaren]

Okay got a question if I have the leaked 2.2 on my computer and want to take the OTA can't I just reflash back if things do not work out??

 

[doctorlove316]

Sounds like a lot of people are going to be flashing the .sbf if they decide (or already decided) to root AND install the leaked 2.2 because here's _mrbirdman_'s latest tweet...

RT @_mrbirdman_: Im ready to turn this froyo update into my whore ....root method and such will follow shortly after release

 

[kk4df]

I've chosen to rename the otacerts.zip file as a means of blocking the OTA upgrade until I know that it can be rooted without delay.