An open letter to the moderators of this forum

[Spartacus MD]

I'm sure they feel compelled to respond to direct accusations of hypocrisy in the same way that you feel the need to belittle their opinions because they contrast with yours.

And that is the answer to his question of "why don't you just leave" because people want to defend what they perceive as a wrongdoing. And sir please don't try and call me names or accuse me of things, I have no interest in fighting with you or anyone else.

I'm here to instigate a positive change for everyone.

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[Ry]

Oh and a protip for forum members:

If there are forum members you would rather not hear from or interact with because of their past postings, the ignore button works great. They can quote me all they want but they'll get no reply from me.

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[Aquila]

And that is the answer to his question of "why don't you just leave" because people want to defend what they perceive as a wrongdoing. And sir please don't try and call me names or accuse me of things, I have no interest in fighting with you or anyone else.

I'm here to instigate s positive change for everyone.

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They did say so, responding to only that point about your statement of hypocrisy and you did not apologize or amend, nor explain. You doubled down and trivialized their input. I'm also not looking for a fight, but if do you honestly believe that other posters do not interpret your tone as bullying? I am not saying what you mean or how you think your tone comes across, because I'm not in the room with you and I don't know. I'm explaining how it's coming across when you're outright dismissive of dissent to your opinions.

Your intention of "positive change" is positive in a certain point of view, and I'm sure you mean it. But understand that clearly there is a large body of people who would prefer it that people follow the rules and work within the framework of the rules and guidelines that all members, moderator and ambassador alike agree to when they begin their participation in these threads. What I think you should amend that statement to is: "I don't like what I signed up for and want to change it to how I think it should be." There are obviously people who agree with your sentiments, but they are no more correct than people who appreciate the status quo, given that both are merely preferences of atmosphere.

I think we all agree that we want civility, however being "here to instigate" anything is a pretty stark distinction from, "here to learn, help and have fun" which is probably what 99% of the members of the forums are here for. If you feel it is your right to join a private setting, decide you hate it and immediately start crafting it in your image of ideal, we disagree about that. This isn't a government, there is nothing to revolt against and your failure to grasp basic concepts of etiquette and reason, while not disparaging your intent, do destroy your credibility as a leader in your movement.

 

[msndrstood]

Oh and a protip for forum members:

If there are forum members you would rather not hear from or interact with because of their past postings, the ignore button works great. They can quote me all they want but they'll get no reply from me.

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You do however see their posts if someone quotes them, you just can't respond to them.

On TT anyway.

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[tohio]

He knows what he's talking about because it is normally 90/10 dissatisfied/satisfied. I worked a lot in customer service and tech support. It is human nature that people are far more likely to sign up/sign in/call to complain about something than to hand out praise.

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Unfortunately your experience doesn't jibe with research into customer complaints. However, you were probably good at your job and that's why your complaint quota was low. But I'm not talking about the number of complaints or praise. I'm saying, based on case studies, that the number of dissatisfied customers is always higher than those who actually complain. Smart companies use customer complaints to address areas for improvement. They know that if a few people are complaining about a product or service there are many more who are dissatisfied but won't bring up the issue. Look at this thread, there are only 20 or so actual posters but there are about 2,350 viewers (as of this post),. That is a pretty significant number for a thread that was started yesterday. Obviously not every viewer is dissatisfied with the moderating on this forum but they obviously have an interest in it. And based on research data, a good number of them are dissatisfied but will not say so publicly.

 

[gollum18]

Being a member of this forum for around ~3 years. I can tell you I've seen mods come and go. Some great, some horrible. And yes I have seen them abuse this power just a bit, even going as far as to ban people from the site over a petty disagreement.

Please don't take this comment as an insult mods, as it was in no way intended to be one. We realize that your job as moderator is a very stressful task on top of your current jobs. And we elect you to these positions with a certain trust that you will uphold your duties to the best of your abilities and as fairly as possible.

That being said, to the op; if you feel your rights have been violated or you have been insulted in any way, please pm James Falconer, the site manager with the issue. Just bear in mind that your issue can be resolved most of the time by simply talking it over with the mod in question. The pm system exists, so we can resolve our issues on a member to member basis without the need for any third parties becoming involved. In the future, to avoid all this hassle, would you please be kind enough to keep your issues in the pm so no one else becomes involved.

There is no need to post personal issues between a mod and user, in a public forum where anyone can come and go as they please.

Sprint GS3 Running TN's Msg and Chubbs

 

[llamabreath]

How did i miss this thread?

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[HalizDad]

Yep, being a mod is stressful... Kinda like when I was in Afghanistan... Maybe worse... I'm sure PTSD is prevalent among the Android Central mods... I'm sure I'll get knocked for that comment, but, okay, it's the internets... Flame away.. Some of them just roll in trying to Seagull... Jerry is cool, so is one other dude, and of course, that hot chick..

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[return_0]

It's shocking to see so many members who are frequent posters and members of the community suddenly attack and and even try to boss around some of the people who make this forum what it is.

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[msndrstood]

How did i miss this thread?

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You were snoozing apparently.

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[llamabreath]

You were snoozing apparently.

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[Spartacus MD]

Yep, being a mod is stressful... Kinda like when I was in Afghanistan... Maybe worse... I'm sure PTSD is prevalent among the Android Central mods... I'm sure I'll get knocked for that comment, but, okay, it's the internets... Flame away

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A moment of levity in a heated debate. That made me laugh.

The hardest thing about being insulted is learning to hold your tongue. To those posters who have posted long posts about me with scathing remarks, I deeply apologize because I can't respond to the contents of your posts without being less than objective. If I reply to you it would be defensive and non constructive. If I've offended you, belittled you, or insulted you in anyway then I have decidedly erred and I apologize.

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[gollum18]

A moment of levity in a heated debate. That made me laugh.

The hardest thing about being insulted is learning to hold your tongue. To those posters who have posted long posts about me with scathing remarks, I deeply apologize because I can't respond to the contents of your posts without being less than objective. If I reply to you it would be defensive and non constructive. If I've offended you, belittled you, or insulted you in anyway then I have decidedly erred and I apologize.

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I hope you didn't come off reading my post in disdain, I was merely offering a suggestion so that in the future no one would know your business. I am sorry if my post came off as rude or arrogant in any way.

Sprint GS3 Running TN's Msg and Chubbs

 

[Spartacus MD]

I hope you didn't come off reading my post in disdain, I was merely offering a suggestion so that in the future no one would know your business. I am sorry if my post came off as rude or arrogant in any way.

Sprint GS3 Running TN's Msg and Chubbs

No no, you're fine. It's just that I have no incident with any mod (or anyone for that matter). Like my original post has said, no one has mistreated me.

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[jdoee100]

It's shocking to see so many members who are frequent posters and members of the community suddenly attack and and even try to boss around some of the people who make this forum what it is.

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I agree with you, but I also agree with spartacus. Both sides could have used more caution and respect for the other side.

And to gollum18 statement, "There is no need to post personal issues between a mod and user, in a public forum where anyone can come and go as they please," I agree with you as well. But on this thread for the most part, personal attacks were kept to a minimum. And, I thought the point of having a public forum like this was to have an open discussion with other people with different perspectives. And, I think this is what is happening on this thread. Of course, too many threads like this can not be good for any forum. haha

Spartacus said, "instigate a positive change for everyone." I wanted the same thing, but perhaps asking this in a big public forum like this is too much. But it was worth trying for a change.

 

[Chiefmcfuz]

OP and any one else that does not like how the site is moderated is more than welcome to take the following steps:

1 Log out
2 Never log back in.

There, probably solved the issues for themselves and everyone else!

 

[jdoee100]

OP and any one else that does not like how the site is moderated is more than welcome to take the following steps:

1 Log out
2 Never log back in.

There, probably solved the issues for themselves and everyone else!

What good would that do? Then, you'll be hearing and talking about what you want to hear and talk. You don't have to come to a forum for that.
The point of having a forum like this is to have a discussion with different perspectives without getting belittled or attacked for it.

Anyways, i'm done. Peace out.

 

[Spartacus MD]

OP and any one else that does not like how the site is moderated is more than welcome to take the following steps:

1 Log out
2 Never log back in.

There, probably solved the issues for themselves and everyone else!

Were I a wiser man I'd ignore this post but alas, I must make one simple comment.....

Thank you for that very original recommendation. I guess problem solving is overrated anyways .

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[Oofa]

Before you remove this thread or claim it is not in the right spot, let me just say that this is the perfect spot. I am a GS4 owner and this is the only part of the forum I visit, and I suspect it is the only part that a lot of members have visited. Furthermore, the moderators recently closed a thread after the discussion of how certain mods are acting went public. It is clear that a public discussion needs to occur and this is the perfect time and place for it. I want to reiterate that no one has done anything wrong to me and all moderators have been polite, cordial, professional, and so far just with me. However, I see certain ones picking on others or throwing out sarcastic jabs every now and then it has left a sour taste in my mouth and many others'.

In another thread a moderator made the arrogant claim of saying "Doesn't really matter what you say. Its a mods decision on whether the thread stays up or not" after someone jokingly said they should close the thread. Another one went on to say "If that makes us a "boss" then fine, but that's your title for us, not our title for ourselves." This is wrong and not in good spirit. I am a surgeon by profession and I do not have time to write letters like this or to engage in silly online fights. I merely want to state my opinion (and not to any one particular moderator thats why PMing is not an option). I am surrounded daily by power tripping and arrogant people so I know one when I see one. To add another divot to this tumulus of evidence, many members have come forth in the previous thread and stated they were unhappy as well. This is an open forum, why not discuss it publicly? If you make people PM you , then all you've done is take the forum out of "forum." You know dictators use a similar technique except its termed "oppression" and "divide and conquer."

The question from the previous thread, which is now locked, remains. Why is it that certain moderators (really I think we can all name the one or two) feel the need to jut out as much arrogance as they can? What is it that goes on in your real life that makes you want to make a forum for phones so unpleasant. Its a sad state of affairs when one feels overpowered and bothered by moderators.

Please help us understand why people's requests for a more lax environment have gone unanswered and why some moderators are so heavy handed with their words. This is not meant to be an adversarial relationship but rather a community. If the health and enjoyment of this board is of any concern you will let an open, civil, and honest discussion occur in this thread.

I am disappointed but not surprised that a surgeon that claims he/she has no time to "write letters like this" had the time to write a letter like this and post several times since. This, (along with thousands of other reasons) proves my claim that the medical field is at an all time low and we, as patients, are doomed.

To be worried and seriously debating why "people's requests for a more lax environment have gone unanswered" on an Android forum is what people with either a lot of free time or nothing to do worry about. It's sad. It says a lot about our future and just how incredibly broken our system has become. I can only hope that the whole "I'm a surgeon by profession" is lie to get the attention needed.

 

[Aquila]

What good would that do? Then, you'll be hearing and talking about what you want to hear and talk. You don't have to come to a forum for that, you can do that by yourself at home.

I agree that we want to have open sharing of diverse ideas. There are more options than "log out" in order to resolve issues. One such option is the often repeated, but much ignored, "send a PM". In a forum atmosphere where opposing ideas are valued, it is important that everyone is aware of the rules and working within the framework. My opposition to the apparent attitude in this thread is not to the ideas expressed, but rather to their deliberate rejection of the rules and the lack of respect to the community that such behavior implies. It is important to attempt to see and understand opposing points of view and to seek common ground. Several members of this community attempt to do just that in disagreements, while others are closed to influence. If one person or twenty decide to outright reject the rules, what is the incentive for the other 99% to follow them?