Apple is at it again. WTF

[PookiePrancer]

You really need to learn how to read. If Samsung sues apple over SEPs, they will find themselves in a great deal of trouble. Patents for LTE are bundled, a la H.264, and there is no way for samsung (if they even hold any LTE patents that are a part of the standard) to sue without violating antitrust law.

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First, you said you "knew" that Samsung's LTE patents were SEPs; now you're saying "if they even hold any LTE patents....," which means you don't know. Which was my point: if they're not part of a standard, and Apple uses them, Samsung can certainly sue. Even if they are SEP, that doesn't mean they're free to use. Samsung cannot stop Apple from using them; they're essential, after all, and you can't pick and choose who will be able to implement LTE through your patents. As the patent holder, however, you are entitled to compensation. SEP doesn't mean they're free. If Apple uses any of Samsung's patented technology in their products, essential though it may be, they'll have to pay. If they don't, Samsung can, and will sue, and they won't get in trouble for it UNLESS they use the patents to keep Apple from implementing LTE...that's a no-no.

The H.264 standard is free only because the rights-holder made it so. Originally, they planned on...collecting royalties for its use.

 

[Ry]

I think he was making a figurative point: no, they're not years old. But they are months old, which at the current pace of mobile tech progression, may as well be years.

But Apple hasn't needed to release a new phone every three months to "keep up".

What exactly is Apple behind in?

Other than not having LTE in the iPhone?

Screen size? That's usually a user preference thing, though it seems as if Android users were forced fed to believe you needed to be at 4.3 inches or higher to be high-end. Their Retina display is gorgeous. Before that, no one listed PPI in their spec sheets.

Processor and graphics? The 4 and 4S handle tasks just fine.

Camera? The megapixel race is stupid. And the 4S produces some of the best photos from a smartphone today.

To dismiss the current available iPhones as old and outdated tech is quite ignorant.


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[PookiePrancer]

But Apple hasn't needed to release a new phone every three months to "keep up".

What exactly is Apple behind in?

Other than not having LTE in the iPhone?

Screen size? That's usually a user preference thing, though it seems as if Android users were forced fed to believe you needed to be at 4.3 inches or higher to be high-end. Their Retina display is gorgeous. Before that, no one listed PPI in their spec sheets.

Processor and graphics? The 4 and 4S handle tasks just fine.

Camera? The megapixel race is stupid. And the 4S produces some of the best photos from a smartphone today.

To dismiss the current available iPhones as old and outdated tech is quite ignorant.


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Well, you know what? My Evo 4G still holds its own; what's your point? There's a difference between old and outdated, and still being competent. News flash: Apple itself is about to show you how old and outdated your 4S is, and you know darned well you'll be in line for the latest and greatest.

 

[Ry]

Well, you know what? My Evo 4G still holds its own; what's your point? There's a difference between old and outdated, and still being competent. News flash: Apple itself is about to show you how old and outdated your 4S is, and you know darned well you'll be in line for the latest and greatest.

Cool story. The iPhone still isn't outdated. The iPhone still isn't old.

And I won't be in line for the new iPhone.

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[PookiePrancer]

Cool story. The iPhone still isn't outdated. The iPhone still isn't old.

And I won't be in line for the new iPhone.

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You know what? You're right; the 4S is still the latest and greatest iPhone you can buy right now.

Your BIONIC, on the other hand.....

 

[Ry]

Uhhh. Ok.

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[JHBThree]

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First, you said you "knew" that Samsung's LTE patents were SEPs; now you're saying "if they even hold any LTE patents....," which means you don't know. Which was my point: if they're not part of a standard, and Apple uses them, Samsung can certainly sue. Even if they are SEP, that doesn't mean they're free to use. Samsung cannot stop Apple from using them; they're essential, after all, and you can't pick and choose who will be able to implement LTE through your patents. As the patent holder, however, you are entitled to compensation. SEP doesn't mean they're free. If Apple uses any of Samsung's patented technology in their products, essential though it may be, they'll have to pay. If they don't, Samsung can, and will sue, and they won't get in trouble for it UNLESS they use the patents to keep Apple from implementing LTE...that's a no-no.

The H.264 standard is free only because the rights-holder made it so. Originally, they planned on...collecting royalties for its use.

SEPs don't work like that. If Samsung contributed to the LTE standard, they would have to be SEPs, and Samsung is discouraged from suing apple over them as they have with their 3G patents. It is not possible for Samsung to hold LTE patents without them being SEPs, since LTE is a standard.


Further, you need to take a look at cases currently building against Samsung across the globe. Given their history, Samsung would find itself in a world of hurt if the tried to sue apple instead of negotiating.
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[PookiePrancer]

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SEPs don't work like that. If Samsung contributed to the LTE standard, they would have to be SEPs, and Samsung is discouraged from suing apple over them as they have with their 3G patents. It is not possible for Samsung to hold LTE patents without them being SEPs, since LTE is a standard.


Further, you need to take a look at cases currently building against Samsung across the globe. Given their history, Samsung would find itself in a world of hurt if the tried to sue apple instead of negotiating.
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I think, at the end there, you finally said what I've been saying all along. What I hope you understand is that yes, Samsung has to negotiate. But so does Apple. They can't use Samsung's patents without licensing them. If they do, it is then that Samsung can sue.

 

[JHBThree]

I think, at the end there, you finally said what I've been saying all along. What I hope you understand is that yes, Samsung has to negotiate. But so does Apple. They can't use Samsung's patents without licensing them. If they do, it is then that Samsung can sue.

Apple has always negotiated when it comes to SEPs. We know that as a fact based on their cases with motorola. And what I've been trying to get at (which you've missed in every post) is that Samsung would find itself in a great deal of trouble if they sue apple again over any SEP, whether they feel its a legitimate suit or not. Samsung already has one antitrust investigation to worry about, and the justice department and FCC are itching to start one of their own. The last thing Samsung needs is an investigation in their biggest market that could hurt their ability to do business within it.

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[coinmanmat]

Its Apple they need to investigate, not Samsung.

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[monkeyluis]

Its Apple they need to investigate, not Samsung.

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For what?

 

[JHBThree]

Its Apple they need to investigate, not Samsung.

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Kindly point to where apple has abused patents essential to a wireless standard like GSM or 3G.

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[Serial Fordicator]

Who wants to take bets on how long itll take apple to take the face unlock feature or the eye watch feature Samsung just used made and get a patent on them.

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[JHBThree]

Who wants to take bets on how long itll take apple to take the face unlock feature or the eye watch feature Samsung just used made and get a patent on them.

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Face unlock was part of ICS. Samsung didn't have anything to do with it.

And apple applied for a patent for it long before Google announced it.

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[PookiePrancer]

Who wants to take bets on how long itll take apple to take the face unlock feature or the eye watch feature Samsung just used made and get a patent on them.

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No doubt they'll try, but as my Asus laptop was doing face unlock over a year before Apple's filing, I won't lose sleep over it.

 

[JHBThree]

No doubt they'll try, but as my Asus laptop was doing face unlock over a year before Apple's filing, I won't lose sleep over it.

Since when? I searched but could find nothing about that.

Oh, and the original patent was filed in 2010.

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[PookiePrancer]

Since when? I searched but could find nothing about that.

Oh, and the original patent was filed in 2010.

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Since October 2009. Apple filed over a year later.

Of course, it doesn't mean the IMPLEMENTATION is the same (I don't know), but it's not like Apple's application will force others to ditch the feature in general.

Correction: I think it may have been a little less than a year, but still....

 

[Serial Fordicator]

Face unlock was part of ICS. Samsung didn't have anything to do with it.

And apple applied for a patent for it long before Google announced it.

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I know. I'm talking about the new feature samsung just made that watches your eyes to keep the screen on.

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[JHBThree]

Since October 2009. Apple filed over a year later.

Of course, it doesn't mean the IMPLEMENTATION is the same (I don't know), but it's not like Apple's application will force others to ditch the feature in general.

Correction: I think it may have been a little less than a year, but still....

Ah okay. I couldn't find anything on it. (all the results were about the Prime getting face unlock) The implementation may be different, you're right. The ICS version and what apple has patents for are actually very similar, but who knows.

 

[kgk1985]

I like the new feature on the S3.. If you're in a text and hold the phone to your ear, it calls that person. Is that the S3 or ICS feature? Cuz that's sweet

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