Apple loses lawsuit for not including charger...

[Mooncatt]

Honestly I just wish that people would stop thinking this was even remotely an environmental move, or that these companies are being altruistic with the move to take things out of the box. Folks giving Apple and Samsung props just irks me because it means the propaganda worked, and they're getting over on the public. That turns my stomach.

I know I've made some of those environmental arguments, but I'm actually more in agreement with your view. I do a lot of debating, and one thing I've picked up over the years is the ability to see, and thus argue from an opposing viewpoint. Being the Devil's advocate has become a hobby for me. Often times it helps pick out holes in arguments. For example:

But here's the thing...they're still making the chargers! Just because it's sitting in the store, it doesn't mean it doesn't have a footprint. They're making the same amount of product, you just have to buy it separately now. Same deal with the box. It takes up less space on a truck...but that only means they can fit more boxes. Guess what? More boxes means more product.

Companies like Apple are doing this to save on their bottom line. So why would they continue to make the same amount of chargers to just sit on shelves never to be used? Sure, people will still buy chargers, but they are no longer necessary for a large number of people that keep using old ones, and a lot of those needing new ones will go third party anyway. So the number of chargers Apple sells will be nowhere near the number of actual phones sold. So why would they waste money producing product they know for a fact will never sell?

Companies these days have drastically cut down on warehousing. In trucking, a lot of freight is shipped as "just in time," meaning they schedule deliveries to come in just before the product is needed. There's a reason trucks are sometimes called warehouses on wheels, and a single delayed shipment can cause an entire plant to shut down. So even if Apple wanted to waste the money to produce chargers destined for the scrap heap, it's unlikely that will have the warehousing space for them without incurring additional costs in expanding warehousing capacity. They can't just waste even more money shipping them to the stores, because the stores have limited storage space as well.

So no, I firmly disagree that they will make the same amount of chargers at this point. The primary driver may be financial, but it is undeniable that producing less will have a net positive environmental impact.

 

[anon(50597)]

It just doesn't make sense , they don't include because protect environment but you can order a charger and cable online and will come with its own box Plus the shipping box that save the environment.

The question is, and I don’t have the answer, how many people do? 10%? 75%? Remember, these items eventually make it into a garbage dump. The less, the better.

 

[Laura Knotek]

I think Laura was referring to more Trucks to deliver those packages therefore more Trucks to pollute the roads.

I was. If people order the chargers separately and have the FedEx truck come twice, which could happen if they have separate shipments for phone and charger, then that's an extra delivery to that house so with another truck.

 

[mustang7757]

The question is, and I don’t have the answer, how many people do? 10%? 75%? Remember, these items eventually make it into a garbage dump. The less, the better.

Don't know but lot people been ordering through Amazon lately is it chargers or something else I know I've ordered through Amazon few chargers.

 

[Annie_M]

It would have been great if a charger had been included with my new iPhone. However, that didn't stop me from buying one. I lucked into a free 30-watt charger when I purchased my case from Spigen! It charges my iPhone fast, and I'm now spoiled. Since then, I've found deals for Apple's 20W chargers, and I now have 3 (one for my bedroom, one for work, and one for my tech bag. I also compulsively bought a mag safe charger and a couple of newer power banks. I've admittedly spent a crap ton of money on these things, and yes, I still wish Apple had included one with my iPhone! But clearly, I've got a spending problem and would have bought more anyway! LOL!

 

[MoreDef]

It would have been great if a charger had been included with my new iPhone. However, that didn't stop me from buying one. I lucked into a free 30-watt charger when I purchased my case from Spigen! It charges my iPhone fast, and I'm now spoiled. Since then, I've found deals for Apple's 20W chargers, and I now have 3 (one for my bedroom, one for work, and one for my tech bag. I also compulsively bought a mag safe charger and a couple of newer power banks. I've admittedly spent a crap ton of money on these things, and yes, I still wish Apple had included one with my iPhone! But clearly, I've got a spending problem and would have bought more anyway! LOL!

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Haha! I think of all the places, this forum is the place where you'd get judged the least. I am positive everyone here has a drawer of bricks, a ziplock bag of chords, a shoebox of power banks, a stack of phone cases, and at least 3 phones scattered around the house...not to mention a surplus of screen protectors. I personally have at least 10 Bluetooth earbuds despite only having 4 devices and 1 pair of ears. The math just doesn't add up.

And despite all that, I've got a few of each in my Amazon cart right now.

 

[Annie_M]

Haha! I think of all the places, this forum is the place where you'd get judged the least. I am positive everyone here has a drawer of bricks, a ziplock bag of chords, a shoebox of power banks, a stack of phone cases, and at least 3 phones scattered around the house...not to mention a surplus of screen protectors. I personally have at least 10 Bluetooth earbuds despite only having 4 devices and 1 pair of ears. The math just doesn't add up.

And despite all that, I've got a few of each in my Amazon cart right now.

You make a good point. I think I'll clear way some of my older chargers, and donate them somewhere... women's shelters, homeless sheters, even my church's annual rummage sale.

 

[Mike Dee]

I'm sure someone will try this in US lol

What could they win....the cost of a charger?

 

[mustang7757]

What could they win....the cost of a charger?

Ha you know someone going do this , in the article guy getting 1k so you never know

 

[Mike Dee]

Just my 2cents:

Apple has been doing many things within its headquarters and with their products to reduce waste and carbon emissions. This is just one example. It all adds up. If you want to believe our planet isn’t in trouble and we shouldn’t try to change then there’s not much to discuss.

Most people, if they’ve ever owned a smartphone, have multiple chargers.

If you’ve ever bought an electric dryer you know it doesn’t come with the power cord, that is extra. It’s been that way for quite a while. Just saying.

Not defending either argument but an electric dryer doesn't come with a cord because some installations are hardwired or may use different pigtails to accommodate different outlet types.

 

[Mike Dee]

Ha you know someone going do this , in the article guy getting 1k so you never know

For pain and suffering?

 

[mustang7757]

For pain and suffering?

Maybe

 

[Mooncatt]

What could they win....the cost of a charger?

It would go to class action status, Apple will pay a penance that goes mostly to the lawyers, and the affected customers will get a $2 check in the mail.

 

[mustang7757]

It would go to class action status, Apple will pay a penance that goes mostly to the lawyers, and the affected customers will get a $2 check in the mail.

 

[MoreDef]

With Apple saving 6.5 billion, combined with them selling 100 million iPhone 12's and 40 million iPhone 13's, that equates to around $46 per customer...before lawyer fees.

 

[anon(50597)]

Not defending either argument but an electric dryer doesn't come with a cord because some installations are hardwired or may use different pigtails to accommodate different outlet types.

That could be, I didn’t know that. Either way you still have to purchase it separately and I haven’t heard of anyone starting a lawsuit over it.
Someone above described me perfectly. A drawer full of chargers, cords, cases, etc. What are we going to do with all this junk? It appears Europe is getting close to forcing Apple to go usb-c. Having universal chargers could help some.

 

[Mike Dee]

It would go to class action status, Apple will pay a penance that goes mostly to the lawyers, and the affected customers will get a $2 check in the mail.

It's silly at best..... You buy the device knowing that you are not getting a charger. It probably costs more to file the suit than anything you can recoup. It's like buying a car that doesn't come with a spare tire and then complaining that it doesn't.

 

[MoreDef]

It's silly at best..... You buy the device knowing that you are not getting a charger. It probably costs more to file the suit than anything you can recoup. It's like buying a car that doesn't come with a spare tire and then complaining that it doesn't.

Except how many spare tires do you have lying around the house to make the complaint moot?

Anyway, how many of either of these does anyone have lying around? I mean, Apple specifically wants to take stuff out because their argument is everyone has enough of them....but the problem is everyone has a lot of the old tech, but way less of the new tech.

 

[anon(50597)]

Except how many spare tires do you have lying around the house to make the complaint moot?

Anyway, how many of either of these does anyone have lying around? I mean, Apple specifically wants to take stuff out because their argument is everyone has enough of them....but the problem is everyone has a lot of the old tech, but way less of the new tech.

That's the issue: new tech is just incrementally new but needs a whole new device, charger, etc. They have us duped.

 

[Morty2264]

I think what Apple and Samsung may not be considering are the following:

- people who switch platforms to Samsung or an iPhone who may not have the necessary charging accessories -- and when you switch to iPhone, you NEED those Apple-branded accessories

- people who jump iterations, like from an S9 to an S22, who would like to take advantage of the new fast-charging technology

Maybe these are small demographics but if you are paying top dollar for a device, they should include the charger brick in the box. Moreover, if one has a surplus of chargers, sharing and/or giving them away are options. Waste is a huge issue, of course, and it shouldn't be overlooked. However, I do wonder if these companies may be using the environmental impact angle as, well, an *angle*, and are just doing this to charge us the same amount of money without the should-be-included charging brick (IMO, anyway).