battery size

[DolfanCole]

Incorrect. See the Bionic for an idea of how much dual core can improve battery life, coupled with good power management software. The LTE modem was only part of the problem; the other was an inefficient CPU and poor power management programming on the part of HTC. They've had over 6 months to figure out what went wrong with the Thunderbolt, and remedy it. I had the Thunderbolt and I've had the BIonic; I can tell you right now that HTC did a half-assed job with the modem software in the Thunderbolt.

That, and we have no idea yet if it even HAS the MDM9600.

You need to get your head straight when it comes to the bolded part. HTC has no control over this. Verizon HAS NOT approved any second generation LTE modems yet, so it would not be possible for HTC to put one in the Vigor. This isn't a second-generation device by any stretch of the imagination. Like the Bionic, it is a bridge between the first generation single core devices, and the true second generation devices that have multi-mode chipsets.

It is the price of riding Verizon's initial LTE wave; you have to get used to not having the ideal solution for connectivity until well after the network has finished its initial rollout.



And wait until January? Do you think Verizon and HTC are stupid?

This has me confused. It was my understanding that Motorola put their own LTE radio into the Bionic. If true, then that's not the same as the first gen. radios in the other devices. Also, if true, who made the decision to do that? Motorola or Verizon or maybe both? Part of what I'm getting at is that if this is true, then that does lead to more speculation (or maybe hope) that the next flight of LTE devices will have an improved LTE radio over the first flight.

 

[rrhartjr]

Check who you're talking to bud. The Bionic has the best battery life HANDS DOWN of any of Verizon's LTE devices. Better than the Charge, which was the previous best.

The Vigor will fall somewhere in between the two.

Sure, best battery of Verizon LTE devices is like being the fastest slug in the garden..

Just sayin.

 

[pauldroidr2d2]

Every HTC I have owned has had horrible battery life. I have owned three and used 4. I owned a G1, the incredible with an amoled screen, the Thunderbolt and some other garbage HTC phone for work that used the old Windows mobile os.

Smartphones require a lot of power. It is sad that HTC chooses to cut corners by using cheaper, smaller batteries.

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[DolfanCole]

Every HTC I have owned has had horrible battery life. I have owned three and used 4. I owned a G1, the incredible with an amoled screen, the Thunderbolt and some other garbage HTC phone for work that used the old Windows mobile os.

Smartphones require a lot of power. It is sad that HTC chooses to cut corners by using cheaper, smaller batteries.

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I've never owned an HTC device, but I consistently hear the same message on HTC devices and battery life. And it's mindboggling to me that this hasn't been addressed adequately and remains the biggest gripe with HTC. HTC simply needs to put battery life much higher on their priority list.

 

[rrhartjr]

I've never owned an HTC device, but I consistently hear the same message on HTC devices and battery life. And it's mindboggling to me that this hasn't been addressed adequately and remains the biggest gripe with HTC. HTC simply needs to put battery life much higher on their priority list.

Let me throw this out too.. HTC has always been known for using metal frames.. the report lately is that they are getting away from that.. going to more rigid plastic frames like Samsung uses

This is sure to irritate a lot of people who complain about Samsung plasticky phones, but..

I see two possible benefits to it:
* less radio interference, leading to lower tx/rx power..
* less bulky frames, more room for batteries

Both should help shake off the rap that HTC gets for bad battery life.. maybe the Vigor will be one of the first to do it

 

[pauldroidr2d2]

I've never owned an HTC device, but I consistently hear the same message on HTC devices and battery life. And it's mindboggling to me that this hasn't been addressed adequately and remains the biggest gripe with HTC. HTC simply needs to put battery life much higher on their priority list.

I think HTC builds some great devices. But, like you say, batteries are not a priority.

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[DolfanCole]

Let me throw this out too.. HTC has always been known for using metal frames.. the report lately is that they are getting away from that.. going to more rigid plastic frames like Samsung uses

This is sure to irritate a lot of people who complain about Samsung plasticky phones, but..

I see two possible benefits to it:
* less radio interference, leading to lower tx/rx power..
* less bulky frames, more room for batteries

Both should help shake off the rap that HTC gets for bad battery life.. maybe the Vigor will be one of the first to do it

I'm not sure what to think of this. As you say, many HTC fans love the build of their devices and can't stand the plastic used by Samsung. From a battery size standpoint though, I would think the metal/aluminum body is better since it provides better strength for the same thickness (or would allow for thinner parts to obtain the same strength and durability). So, in essence, a metal frame should allow for bigger battery size than a plastic frame of the same strength.

I think HTC builds some great devices. But, like you say, batteries are not a priority.

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I agree. I like the look of their devices even if they are all looking pretty much the same now. And the construction, from what I've heard, is pretty good. But yet, such an important feature as battery life gets in the way. From my perspective, what I see is a great device, but one that will have to stay tethered to a charger. It's like having a Ferrari with a 1-gallon gas tank.

 

[rrhartjr]

I'm not sure what to think of this. As you say, many HTC fans love the build of their devices and can't stand the plastic used by Samsung. From a battery size standpoint though, I would think the metal/aluminum body is better since it provides better strength for the same thickness (or would allow for thinner parts to obtain the same strength and durability). So, in essence, a metal frame should allow for bigger battery size than a plastic frame of the same strength.

I disagree.. metal's rigidity goes down much faster as thickness decreases than plastic.. so as you trend toward thinner and thinner parts, there's a breakeven point where plastic actually outperforms metal..

I think Samsung long ago reached that conclusion and has really pushed HTC toward the same conclusion.

 

[DolfanCole]

I disagree.. metal's rigidity goes down much faster as thickness decreases than plastic.. so as you trend toward thinner and thinner parts, there's a breakeven point where plastic actually outperforms metal..

I think Samsung long ago reached that conclusion and has really pushed HTC toward the same conclusion.

What you say is true, but I was assuming that they hadn't reached that breakeven point yet. I would guess that the breakeven point is pretty darn thin.

 

[Bearly]

Is that rigidity point due to differences in plastic deformation points between the two?

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[anon(94115)]

Check who you're talking to bud. The Bionic has the best battery life HANDS DOWN of any of Verizon's LTE devices. Better than the Charge, which was the previous best.

The Vigor will fall somewhere in between the two.

You know how I know you never used a Charge?

 

[equake]

Also: What if they surprise us all and launch it with Krait? It sampled in June, so HTC could, theoretically, have a handset ready to go thanks to their cozy relationship with Qualcomm.

This would take the cake but the chance is slim because TSMC has been having problems with the 28nm process and they are the fab (which apple is also tapping for nextgen chips)

The bionic is the one to beat if only they would have used the omap4460 or 4470 instead.

The next Nexus/prime is supposedly using omap.

 

[Droid800]

You know how I know you never used a Charge?

I owned a Charge for two months. Sold it because I hated touchwiz. Best battery life out of the original trio, but the Bionic blew it out of the water by a long distance.

 

[Bearly]

I owned a Charge for two months. Sold it because I hated touchwiz. Best battery life out of the original trio, but the Bionic blew it out of the water by a long distance.

In terms of battery?

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[Droid800]

Sure, best battery of Verizon LTE devices is like being the fastest slug in the garden..

Just sayin.

Battery life of the Bionic was comparable to the Sensation or G2X.

 

[Droid800]

This has me confused. It was my understanding that Motorola put their own LTE radio into the Bionic. If true, then that's not the same as the first gen. radios in the other devices. Also, if true, who made the decision to do that? Motorola or Verizon or maybe both? Part of what I'm getting at is that if this is true, then that does lead to more speculation (or maybe hope) that the next flight of LTE devices will have an improved LTE radio over the first flight.

The motorola radio is not second gen. And all of the first gen devices have completely different radios, even though most share some related LTE or CDMA components. (The Bolt and Bionic have the same CDMA/EVDO radio for example, as well as power management chips)

Who knows why they chose to do it. The most likely suspect is that they wanted total control over power consumption of the LTE radio, and the only way to do that was design their own.

As for your last sentence; of course they'll be better. Thats the whole point of revising the LTE radios.

 

[Droid800]

In terms of battery?

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Yes.

 

[Droid800]

This would take the cake but the chance is slim because TSMC has been having problems with the 28nm process and they are the fab (which apple is also tapping for nextgen chips)

The bionic is the one to beat if only they would have used the omap4460 or 4470 instead.

The next Nexus/prime is supposedly using omap.

Well, Krait sampled in June, so it might be possible.

 

[DolfanCole]

The motorola radio is not second gen. And all of the first gen devices have completely different radios, even though most share some related LTE or CDMA components. (The Bolt and Bionic have the same CDMA/EVDO radio for example, as well as power management chips)

Who knows why they chose to do it. The most likely suspect is that they wanted total control over power consumption of the LTE radio, and the only way to do that was design their own.

As for your last sentence; of course they'll be better. Thats the whole point of revising the LTE radios.

I didn't mean to infer that the Bionic had a second gen. LTE radio, only that it was different. And if it was different, then the manufacturer seems to have a large control over what will be used, and it's not solely up to the carrier as you seemed to infer in your prior post.

I think you misunderstood my last sentence too. I'm counting the TBolt, Charge, Revolution, and Bionic as basically the first flight of LTE devices, and the Charge 2/Prime/Whatever, Vigor, Nexus, Revolution 2 (basically, the newly upcoming LTE devices) as the second flight. It seems that they might not have a second gen. radio either?

I just hope so much of this speculation ends soon. I need a phone!

 

[anon(94115)]

I have a differing opinion so between us the point is moot. Right now i think the Charge is still better but i have no hands on with it either, i am just going on what i read

Charged up post!