do you regret upgrading to Marshmallow ? why ?

[Alfred Yeap]

Being on Windows Phone for last 2.5 years, I loaded 2014 Moto G with cm13 recently, with nightly update, Android M (6.0.1) is awesome.
Imagine on 2014 hardware and 1GB of RAM, the experience is good.
I have MI4 running MIUI 7 on 4.4.4 too. M is just better, the material design is beautiful and CM is just amazing.
I am ready to give up Windows Phone platform after 2 and half years. I gave MSFT enough time and they have been disappointing.

Was fancy Nexus 6p, but without QI charging and no OIS stopping me. Next on radar is the up coming S7 and MI5, both are announcing this end of month. Can't wait.

 

[Laura Knotek]

I'm using Marshmallow on both an older device (2013 Nexus 7) and a newer device (2015 Moto X Pure Edition).

I have had nothing but good results with Marshmallow on both devices. Doze works great on my tablet, since that doesn't get moved around much. It even works great on my phone, when I have it on my desk during the day. I also like Google Now On Tap. I haven't experienced any bugs with Marshmallow like it did with early Lollipop builds (which had a memory leak).

Google got Marshmallow right!

 

[LeoRex]

Yeah.... Lollipop was a difficult upgrade. It was really a complete, ground-up overhaul of the entire operating system.... The entire UI changed, APIs, and they switched runtimes from Dalvik to ART. That last bit is important because I suspect that it had a lot to do with the growing pains a lot of people experienced with their phones. That switch kind of flipped the ol' oxcart a bit and threw developers for a bit of a loop... I remember back when they introduced ART in 4.4, as an option that was only available to Nexus users I believe. When it worked, it worked well, but when it didn't, oof....

So there was a lot there for OEMs to digest to get 5.0 pushed out to their phones.

But 6.0? OEMs have zero excuse if an upgrade has wide-spread, systemic issues. The code base was more or less stable far earlier than it was in 5.0, and they have had plenty of time to get their act together. We are now as close to the announcement of the next version (I assume) as we are of 6.0's release. That only a small trickle of phones have been updated (and some, like the M8, seem to have more than its fair share of issues)... OEMs should be embarrassed.

 

[anuranb]

After updating to Android Marshmallow my device has stopped detecting my camera andthe camera is unresponnsive, dosent even start since then..

 

[Toltepeceno Delsur]

I have problems with m in adoptive mode as some apps disappear when putting them there and I have problems with the system itself deciding which ones to put there automatically. Sometimes it will put an app that should be internal and it will screw it up, will not boot up, and have to reset data. It's half baked, at least on some devices.

In portable mode you can no longer move apps to the sdcard so in my mind they did not fix sdcard issues, I had less issues with lollipop pertaining to sdcard. If they would bring back the ability to move apps to the sdcard in portable mode I would be happy, but now they are forcing you to go to adoptive if you need space for apps and it's still buggy.

 

[David Alfredo]

I have problems with m in adoptive mode as some apps disappear when putting them there and I have problems with the system itself deciding which ones to put there automatically. Sometimes it will put an app that should be internal and it will screw it up, will not boot up, and have to reset data. It's half baked, at least on some devices.

In portable mode you can no longer move apps to the sdcard so in my mind they did not fix sdcard issues, I had less issues with lollipop pertaining to sdcard. If they would bring back the ability to move apps to the dcard in portable mode I would be happy, but now they are forcing you to go to adoptive if you need space for apps and it's still buggy.

Google is "trying" to make it as frustrating as possible to have SD Cards in your Android devices (as portable, external storage, mind you) maybe because security/DRM issues or copyright/devs/publishers pressure, who knows, but this can't be a simple "oversight" or a "bug". On Marshmallow, SD cards simply won't work right when formatted as "external", portable storage devices... not even Google cares about their own Google Play Musics failing to download offline music to the SD Card anymore (almost 4 months bugged and counting), I wouldn't be surprised if next GPM update came with this feature removed for all Android versions altogether.

 

[Toltepeceno Delsur]

I agree 100%. And when you format them as adoptable you lose some of the benefits of an external card, like a storage for backups. If the phone will not boot up you lose everything internally and externally. I live in a country where the internet is horrible, downloading all the apps to restore a phone takes days.

There are also apps that are not ready for adoptive mode. For example apus browser has no settings to pick a download folder and it downloads to an internal folder, You cannot access internal in adoptive mode so you cannot access what you just downloaded.

Google is "trying" to make it as frustrating as possible to have SD Cards in your Android devices (as portable, external storage, mind you) maybe because security/DRM issues or copyright/devs/publishers pressure, who knows, but this can't be a simple "oversight" or a "bug". On Marshmallow, SD cards simply won't work right when formatted as "external", portable storage devices... not even Google cares about their own Google Play Musics failing to download offline music to the SD Card anymore (almost 4 months bugged and counting), I wouldn't be surprised if next GPM update came with this feature removed for all Android versions altogether.

 

[anon(777192)]

Heck No! :-[ I would never in any other way be in the 1. 2 % of the worlds population. An achievement I'm quite Honored to be part of.

 

[David Alfredo]

I agree 100%. And when you format them as adoptable you lose some of the benefits of an external card, like a storage for backups. If the phone will not boot up you lose everything internally and externally. I live in a country where the internet is horrible, downloading all the apps to restore a phone takes days.

There are also apps that are not ready for adoptive mode. For example apus browser has no settings to pick a download folder and it downloads to an internal folder, You cannot access internal in adoptive mode so you cannot access what you just downloaded.

a lot of apps that used the SD card for storage are having issues when Marshmarllow is installed, it looks like Google "forgot" that SD cards are quite popular among Android users since like forever... can you believe they didn't test their own Google Play Music app before delivering Marshmallow ? Also, it's embarrassing that even in "adoptable" mode the SD Card is sometimes not recognized and you have to download again all the apps, Marshmallow is not ready to use, it's full of bugs, half-baked, immature and defective... (and now Nexus users come and tell us how awesome Marshmallow is... of course, it's optimized for them, but the problem is the other billion devices which are not part of the Nexus family).

 

[David Alfredo]

I spent a couple of hours with a friend who develops "modest" apps for Android, he told me Marshmallow is so terrible and "vague" when it comes to SD Card management in portable mode that devs are practically forced to ignore SD Cards from now on, I guess I was right when I said Google is trying to get rid of External SD Cards support in Android. For now they would allow ciphered and locked SD cards to expand internal storage and that's it, even with bugs that delete all the apps in the "adoptable" mode... also, I bet this feature won't be present in Android N.

 

[zuben el genubi]

http://www.droid-life.com/2016/02/01/report-google-to-take-more-control-over-nexus-line/

I guess if Apple doesn't use it ------

I haven't tangled with it yet. I did order a phone that I suspect does have it. I updated a Nexus 4 to the Cyanogenmod version of 5.1.1 and it is some piece of work.

I've been too lazy to root my phone, so I'm on 4,3 and I like it. (you had to root to unify storage to update)

 

[Toltepeceno Delsur]

Exactly. Android is so fragmented that it can depend on the device or even the apps you run. I don't like the direction it is going with marshmallow, just have to see what they do with any updates.

a lot of apps that used the SD card for storage are having issues when Marshmarllow is installed, it looks like Google "forgot" that SD cards are quite popular among Android users since like forever... can you believe they didn't test their own Google Play Music app before delivering Marshmallow ? Also, it's embarrassing that even in "adoptable" mode the SD Card is sometimes not recognized and you have to download again all the apps, Marshmallow is not ready to use, it's full of bugs, half-baked, immature and defective... (and now Nexus users come and tell us how awesome Marshmallow is... of course, it's optimized for them, but the problem is the other billion devices which are not part of the Nexus family).

 

[eviltony]

I haven't upgrade to android 6 yet, I received a notification to tell me upgrade on my Nexus 5. Should I upgrade it after reading all the comment from this forum?

 

[David Alfredo]

I haven't upgrade to android 6 yet, I received a notification to tell me upgrade on my Nexus 5. Should I upgrade it after reading all the comment from this forum?

Nexus 5 ? Definitely yes !! there's no issues with Marshmallow upgrades on the Nexus 5, enjoy !

 

[Citizen Coyote]

I have absolutely no regrets updating to Marshmallow on my 2013 Nexus 7 and 2014 Moto X. They both run great.

 

[GeorgeCorrs]

No problem with my nexus 7, still good as it is. I will tell orpost here if there's a minor bug.

 

[zuben el genubi]

I found a workaround. Leave the SD card as media only, but stick all the backups from a prior phone on the card. Then using a pc in file transfer mode, put the backups in the appropriate files on the internal SD card. Pocket Money gave you the exact location of where it expected the file to be.
I got all my backups.

I don't care for all the integration. I'm not a typical user and I use the device as a reference manual and phone.

 

[patruns]

On my Nexus 5, I have had bluetooth issues ever since the 6.0 update. 6.0.1 fixed most of them, but I still have issues when streaming music in the car while a call comes in. If I hang up, the music stream freezes and I have to pull the phone out of my pocket and "unpause" or move to the next track before the car controls will work again.

 

[burrism]

I upgraded twice to 6.0 and rolled back to 5.1.1, to me there's no tangible benefits, 5.1.1 is already good enough and 6.0.x is still immature and with bugs...

what's your experience ? do you regret upgrading too ?

I have 2 Moto g3 8Gb....I got my 6 update some time ago and had I been aware of where it was going before pushing the update button, I wouldn't have gone there.
My phones were really functionong well with 5.1.1 and after discovering that I didn't need all the bells and whistles that 6.0 offered, I was sorry I went there.
I never had a battery problem and some of the Moto apps that were removed were helpful.
As was discussed at length in this post, many different strokes for different folks.

My question to you is...since I'm not rooted and seeming locked into 6.0 on both my phones, how did you downgrade back to 5.1.1?
On some forum I read that I could take my phones to an authorized Moto repair facility and they would put the stock os back in. I only find authorized agent facilities but not factory.
.
Any info appreciated....thanks.

 

[Toltepeceno Delsur]

I'm not david, but you need to flash back to lollipop with fastboot. It looks like a long, drawn out thing but it's really not bad. Especiall when you get fastboot and adb in stalled and then everything downloaded. You just do commands and it just takes a few minutes. You do not need to be rooted or have an unlocked bootloader, this is how moto says to do it.

[Guide] How to Flash Stock Firmware of Moto G 3rd Gen 2015 [All Variants] | Gammerson

I can't go into a lot of details because I use mac but it's pretty much the same with slightly different terminal/command prompt commands and the instructions at the link are really good and someone has already extracted the files from the firmware. So they have done it better than I would have.

I have 2 Moto g3 8Gb....I got my 6 update some time ago and had I been aware of where it was going before pushing the update button, I wouldn't have gone there.
My phones were really functionong well with 5.1.1 and after discovering that I didn't need all the bells and whistles that 6.0 offered, I was sorry I went there.
I never had a battery problem and some of the Moto apps that were removed were helpful.
As was discussed at length in this post, many different strokes for different folks.

My question to you is...since I'm not rooted and seeming locked into 6.0 on both my phones, how did you downgrade back to 5.1.1?
On some forum I read that I could take my phones to an authorized Moto repair facility and they would put the stock os back in. I only find authorized agent facilities but not factory.
.
Any info appreciated....thanks.