G2: Good, Bad and Ugly

I keep reading this. Just swap out using Nova. Why do I want to pay for a phone that I have to change the UI to make it less ugly. Also when you use NOVA doesn't the original UI still run in the backround?
I believe you mean launcher and the answer is no.

Because if you like the phone and like a particular launcher then you have a great product on you hands. Limiting yourself to what the vendor provides is but necessary.

Me personally I like ADW.Launcher much more than any stock launcher and always remove the default launcher in lieu of the ADW.Launcher. It also gives one a consistent experience regardless of what device l use.

This way my note 2 and tablet have the same look and feel.
 
Was hoping this came with the sd-card support. I like to keep certain files, movies and music on my sd-card. The 32gb version after the 8+gb OS is on it you are left with a little over 23mb of internal memory. The 16 gb model over 8gb is sucked up by the OS. I say it all the time. A 32gb model needs sd-card support, if you are lucky enough to have a 64gb model then sd-card is not needed. Anything less sd-card support is a must have. As far as we know the LG G2 doesn't have a 64gb version, that just sucks. I just don't understand the thinking of the manufacturers, maybe it will take the websites to start voicing this opinion to the manufacturers instead of just smiling at them and going along with it. I would blast them for the total lack of int storage space. So sick of hearing the writers talk about the cloud. Nexus brainwashed knuckleheads IMO. Start selling these new phones like Apple does, all storage models to all Carriers at once.

Yes, so close LG. "missed it by that much"
 
My question here is how good is LG for Rooting and ROMing?
Past history for LG/Optimus devices especially here at Android Central was awesome when it came to developer support. The Optimus lineup had a great following of developers. Many have since moved on from those days of Optimus on Virgin Mobile and other carriers but that does give some hope.
 
Was hoping this came with the sd-card support. I like to keep certain files, movies and music on my sd-card. The 32gb version after the 8+gb OS is on it you are left with a little over 23mb of internal memory. The 16 gb model over 8gb is sucked up by the OS. I say it all the time. A 32gb model needs sd-card support, if you are lucky enough to have a 64gb model then sd-card is not needed. Anything less sd-card support is a must have. As far as we know the LG G2 doesn't have a 64gb version, that just sucks. I just don't understand the thinking of the manufacturers, maybe it will take the websites to start voicing this opinion to the manufacturers instead of just smiling at them and going along with it. I would blast them for the total lack of int storage space. So sick of hearing the writers talk about the cloud. Nexus brainwashed knuckleheads IMO. Start selling these new phones like Apple does, all storage models to all Carriers at once.

I'm not disagreeing with your statement but same time there is so much reason behind WHY sdcard usage is removed from devices today and Android has moved away from it. Look at the problems the S3/S4 and others are having with sdcards. They crash, they are unpredictable, the file structure setup is different. It requires the apps devs to code it into their apps to support it properly.

While I fully agree about the need for storage, sdcards isn't the answer. Cloud isn't completely the answer either. It comes down to the need for OEM's to bump the internal RAM to 32/64 options but that also comes at a price increase. Many people today feel paying over $199 on contract is too much, so that is why the OEM's continue to tease with 16/32 options to keep the price down.
 
I keep reading this. Just swap out using Nova. Why do I want to pay for a phone that I have to change the UI to make it less ugly. Also when you use NOVA doesn't the original UI still run in the backround?

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Im sure Im the minority here but I really wanted Qi Wireless Charging. I want this to take off so all devices have it. I have my S3 using a Palm Touchstone now and for $20 it was one of the best investments Ive made. Especially when I jump into bed with the lights off and dont have to wake my gf. Happy wife, happy life...

I was also hoping for Qi charging. Is this confirmed NOT to have it?
 
still up in the air.. most leaks said it was there.. but now that its out.. there has been very little talk of it.. however, just today, I found this:

https://twitter.com/VZWalbert/status/365138942938460162

dont know who this guy is or if he is legit.. seems to be tied in to vzw, but then why wouldn't @vzwnews news tweet that yesterday when they said the g2 was coming...

If its true thats good since my corporate account is with verizon :) - bad because you know verizon will do something to it or charge you more for it :)
 
I just read that tweet. That seems ridiculous just having Qi charging on ONE carrier variant...
Hopefully more info will be revealed about this.
 
I keep reading this. Just swap out using Nova. Why do I want to pay for a phone that I have to change the UI to make it less ugly. Also when you use NOVA doesn't the original UI still run in the backround?

This is a misconception caused largely, I think, by the use of the term "Skin" when referring to the manufacturer's modifications to Android. It leads people to believe that all of an OEM's changes are part of the UI (called a "Launcher" in Android) so the OEM Launcher must *always* be running in the background. This is incorrect.

Every OEM makes some kind of little tweaks to Android that, while we call it a "skin", is actually a much deeper change to the Android code than just the UI.
 
I'm not disagreeing with your statement but same time there is so much reason behind WHY sdcard usage is removed from devices today and Android has moved away from it. Look at the problems the S3/S4 and others are having with sdcards. They crash, they are unpredictable, the file structure setup is different. It requires the apps devs to code it into their apps to support it properly.

While I fully agree about the need for storage, sdcards isn't the answer. Cloud isn't completely the answer either. It comes down to the need for OEM's to bump the internal RAM to 32/64 options but that also comes at a price increase. Many people today feel paying over $199 on contract is too much, so that is why the OEM's continue to tease with 16/32 options to keep the price down.

I get what you're saying, but I disagree with the reason you give on why Android has moved away from SD support.

I bought the S3 the first day it was available. I also purchased a 64gb Sandisk class 10 SD card (you know, the red and gray one). It immediately went into the phone and I stored everything from pictures to movies to music on it.

Fast forward a year. I grabbed the S4 about a month ago. What did I do immediately? That's right, I put the same SD card in the S4 that I'd used in the S3 for a year. I'd also use that card in my Note 2 and LG OG.

Never, not once, have I had a problem with a SD card. I don't know what all these people are doing to their SD cards to corrupt them, but it isn't the phone's fault. I also believe this "problem" is overblown and not as big as websites like this make it out to be. If it does happen to you, yeah, it sucks...I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm saying it doesn't happen enough to justify OEM's removing SD support, especially when the previous model of the phone had it (and I think we can all agree the G2 is the iterative model of the OG).

The real culprit here is Google. As they've shown with the Nexus "model", they don't want phones running Android to have SD support as to force people into using cloud services (and more to the point, THEIR cloud services). I know at least one prior Nexus phone had SD support, so it's not like it's out of right field for it to happen. This is purely a way for Google to dictate how they want OEM's to design and build the phones that run Android, and I for one, hate it.

It's sad that apparently the only OEM left that's willing to offer SD support is Samsung. But, I guess their the only one big enough to do what they want and not kowtow to Google's wishes.

The lack of SD support has now removed this phone from my wish list of upcoming phones. I'll now turn my attention towards the Note 3 and next Nexus. Sure, the Nexus won't have a removable battery or SD support, but at least I know that going in.

*Ninja edit* Here's the problem I have with Google pushing everyone towards using cloud services. If carriers still had true unlimited data (I'm looking at you AT&T and Verizon), then it wouldn't bother me so much. But this sometimes feels like a conspiracy between Google and these carriers. It's a vicious circle. Google wants you to use cloud services...which uses more data. The carriers take away unlimited data and charge you or slow you down to a crawl for overages. So you either end up spending more money (by going over) or you end up with a smartphone paperweight (if you're on grandfathered "unlimited" with AT&T like me). If carriers would just bring back unlimited data, I think a lot of the outcry over no SD support would go away.
 
I'm not disagreeing with your statement but same time there is so much reason behind WHY sdcard usage is removed from devices today and Android has moved away from it. Look at the problems the S3/S4 and others are having with sdcards. They crash, they are unpredictable, the file structure setup is different. It requires the apps devs to code it into their apps to support it properly.

While I fully agree about the need for storage, sdcards isn't the answer. Cloud isn't completely the answer either. It comes down to the need for OEM's to bump the internal RAM to 32/64 options but that also comes at a price increase. Many people today feel paying over $199 on contract is too much, so that is why the OEM's continue to tease with 16/32 options to keep the price down.

I have not had a single issue with my SD card on my 32gb S4. I prefer to have the SD card to store movies, music, pictures and video. Could I do all of that on a 16gb S4 with no expandable storage? Nope. Are they offering 32gb as the standard option? Nope. This is why they need an SD card. Don't just take it away because some people don't take the time to learn how the thing works, or go extra cheap on cards.

Also, RAM does not mean what you think it means.
 
SD cards are made with the lowest quality NAND available and have high varying quality. You got lucky and got a good one. That is all. Failure rate of SD cards is very high and it is often the phones fault due to poor quality or incompatible controllers but SD cards also have these issues.
Google also knows that non-contiguous memory on media like SD cards is a PIA in many ways.
Enjoys SD cards phones now because they are all going away and so are removable batteries.

Never, not once, have I had a problem with a SD card. I don't know what all these people are doing to their SD cards to corrupt them, but it isn't the phone's fault. I also believe this "problem" is overblown and not as big as websites like this make it out to be. If it does happen to you, yeah, it sucks...I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm saying it doesn't happen enough to justify OEM's removing SD support, especially when the previous model of the phone had it (and I think we can all agree the G2 is the iterative model of the OG).

The real culprit here is Google. As they've shown with the Nexus "model", they don't want phones running Android to have SD support as to force people into using cloud services (and more to the point, THEIR cloud services). I know at least one prior Nexus phone had SD support, so it's not like it's out of right field for it to happen. This is purely a way for Google to dictate how they want OEM's to design and build the phones that run Android, and I for one, hate it.
 
I have 2 questions that I'm worried about.

1. Being LG, I heard the Android updates were bad when it came to the LG and Optimus line. How do you think it will be?

2. With a non-removable battery, how do you reset a phone when stuff goes wrong like slowing down or something like that? I know some times with my Nexus S 4G, turning off the phone some times doesn't work because it freezes. So I have to actually TAKE the battery OUT for it to reset and work. With not being able to take a battery out, how would this work with a phone???

I appreciate the help.

I can testify to the poor update support. I jumped at the Optimus X2 and will never buy an LG phone with LG's own software again. We where promised ICS for eight months and then let down, had to root and flash CyanogenMod to get it which worked great but on a phone less than a year old you really should not have to do that. With Key Lime Pie not that far away there is no way I'd go LG at this point. Phone looks really promising and their hardware is great but software UI sucks and post sales update are vaporware.

If this becomes the Nexus 5 though I'm in, due for an upgrade from my Galaxy Nexus in a few months.
 
Among the staff @ AC we all agree 16 gb shouldn't even be on the radar for ANY high end device today. 32 gb should be the minimum standard with 64 gb as your optional bump in specs.

A 32 GB minimum sounds good to me, but I think I am in the minority.

May I ask why the entire Android Central staff think that 32 GB should be the minimum? I am curious to hear the rationale for this.
 
I dont get why people are stuck on SD cards.... what is the purpose???
The phone itself acts like a portable storage system. You can put anything on it and transfer the information anywhere.
In fact.... there are more computers compatible with a USB port than a SD card slot.
 
I dont get why people are stuck on SD cards.... what is the purpose???
The phone itself acts like a portable storage system. You can put anything on it and transfer the information anywhere.
In fact.... there are more computers compatible with a USB port than a SD card slot.

When I can get a phone with 96-128GB of storage I won't care about SD cards. Right now, including my SD card, I have 96GB of storage and have 18GB of that free. I have no interest, whatsoever, in using cloud storage

Sent from my Eclipsed S4