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[GNex Girl]

I guess I am grandfathered with VZW my contract is up mid Feb. the wife now says she wants a phone she can use to text and get on the internet. Before she put that on me I was thinking of getting the Raz/r Maxx but now

I am not sure how to play it out. Is this all bad timing or should I put her on a family plan ext. Or would she also be grandfathered ?

If she is a new individual account or an added line to an existing family account or if you convert an individual account to a family account so you will have 2 lines, her line will not be grandfathered. However, you can do what is talked about here once her line is activated to get her unlimited data.

I don't understand why you still can't get the Razr Maxx just because your wife wants a phone that can text/surf, too?

 

[TheMiz]

I don't understand why you still can't get the Razr Maxx just because your wife wants a phone that can text/surf, too?

Adding her to my plan and changing it to a family plan , she could get a new phone or I could give her my TBolt and I could take the Razr Maxx then I would still have a upgrade coming on my phone , or maybe I am not understanding all this LOL

 

[GNex Girl]

Adding her to my plan and changing it to a family plan , she could get a new phone or I could give her my TBolt and I could take the Razr Maxx then I would still have a upgrade coming on my phone , or maybe I am not understanding all this LOL

If you are on an individual plan right now and due for an upgrade, what I would do is upgrade and get your Razr Maxx. Then go into a VZW store and convert your individual line to a family line, which comes with 2 lines. Then have them activate your TBolt on her new line. Get the minimum data plan for her line which is 2G for $30/mo. OF course, since you are adding a line you could get her a Razr Maxx, too, or even an iPhone 4S if she would like one at the upgrade/new line price.

Then when you come home, call to get the MHS FEATURE for $30 a month added to her line. This is key - you do NOT want the $50 bundled 2G data + MHS plan. You want the $30 a month MHS FEATURE. Then log into your account online to confirm that she has unlimited data for $29.99 a month and then remove the MHS feature from her line.

It took me 3 tries to get a rep that would do it, but I was able to get it finally. Try late at night the reps late at night seem to be the new hires who don't know what is up.

 

[TheMiz]

If you are on an individual plan right now and due for an upgrade, what I would do is upgrade and get your Razr Maxx. Then go into a VZW store and convert your individual line to a family line, which comes with 2 lines.

When I convert my grandfathered individual line to a family line, I am still grandfathered on my line but not the second it that correct ?

 

[GNex Girl]

When I convert my grandfathered individual line to a family line, I am still grandfathered on my line but not the second it that correct ?

Yes, that is correct. New lines can't get the unlimited unless you do the MHS feature trick.

As for an existing line with unlimited data, as long as you keep that line and don't change the data plan on that line you can keep it. It doesn't matter that you convert the individual line to a family account. Do not let a rep change the data plan from unlimited to tiered. They shouldn't even ask you to do that, but if you get someone who doesn't know what they are doing make sure you don't let them change your data plan.

The only way you can lose unlimited data is to remove it yourself or cancel your VZW service for that line entirely.

 

[YourMobileGuru]

Even if they don't change their policy wrt unlimited data, they can start throttling the highest users like they do now on the 3G network calling it data optimization. I don't think they can do that until you renew your contract, though, without it being a material change and allowing you out of the contract.

No, the current TOS gives them the authority to do this and has for a long time, it's just recently that they have been actually doing it. And no that is not a material change in your contract because the verbiage has been there all along.

And yes as you stated current policy is that you are grand-parented in even after renewals. Anyone with questions about it can read the article in my sig file. I've been told by several Verizon people that it is absolutely correct.

 

[YourMobileGuru]

OK this is all very interesting but I seem to be a little lost.

First off I seen all these replies to TheMiz which is my user ID everywhere expect here has been my nick name for as long as I can remember . So forgetting I am TheMiz51 here I thought I was losing it trying to remember these post.

I guess I am grandfathered with VZW my contract is up mid Feb. the wife now says she wants a phone she can use to text and get on the internet. Before she put that on me I was thinking of getting the Raz/r Maxx but now
I am not sure how to play it out. Is this all bad timing or should I put her on a family plan ext. Or would she also be grandfathered ?


Thanks In Advance

TheMiz est. 1951

Assuming that she is not currently on a smartphone then she is NOT grand-parented in like you are. This thread is about a glitch in Verizon's systems that lets reps add unlimited data when they key in the provisioning for unlimited mobile hotspot (anyone on tiered date is actually supposed to have tiered hotspot as well). The people who take advantage of this glitch have to live with their conscience because it's obviously not something that they are supposed to have and there have been at least some cases of it being switch back.

 

[GNex Girl]

The people who take advantage of this glitch have to live with their conscience because it's obviously not something that they are supposed to have

Self-righteous much? lol! My conscience is clear. I made a repeated request which was granted. I didn't make any threats, pay any bribes or do anything illegal. All I did was make a request. Twice it was denied and the third time it was granted by an authorized agent of the corporation. It's no different from bargaining for any type of contract modification. Except I didn't even have to bargain. I just asked politely and my request was granted.

 

[nerdyperdy]

I saw about this on another forum and it works for my dads charge. He switched, kept the hopspot a couple days and still has the data plan.

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[YourMobileGuru]

Self-righteous much? lol! My conscience is clear. I made a repeated request which was granted. I didn't make any threats, pay any bribes or do anything illegal. All I did was make a request. Twice it was denied and the third time it was granted by an authorized agent of the corporation. It's no different from bargaining for any type of contract modification. Except I didn't even have to bargain. I just asked politely and my request was granted.

You can rationalize it all you want but that doesn't make it right. You got a rep who doesn't know that just because the system lets you do something doesn't mean that you are allowed to. There is a reason you were denied twice, because you were not ENTITLED to the feature. I know it sucks (I also have a line that does not have unlimited data on it -- had to make due with the 4GB promo) but Verizon is a business and has the right to do set their plans and policies any way they see fit.

And if I were going to be self riotous about it I would have used stronger words like "stealing" and "fraud" but instead I just hoped that at least some of the people who read this would have a conscience and not do it, because it isn't the right thing to do.

 

[GNex Girl]

You can rationalize it all you want but that doesn't make it right.

There was nothing wrong with what I did. You can jump up on your high horse all you want, but you can't articulate anything I did wrong. I made a request and it was granted by someone who had the authority to grant it. Nothing to see here, move along.

 

[GNex Girl]

it isn't the right thing to do.

What you have said can be boiled down to this - it isn't the right thing to do because I say so. You haven't articulated a single reason why it is not the right thing to do. You have merely stated a bare conclusion that it is not the right thing to do in your opinion. OK then, in your opinion, contract modifications are not the right thing to do. Whatever.

 

[YourMobileGuru]

but you can't articulate anything I did wrong.

You tricked a rep into giving you something you are not entitled to have. Period.

Articulated plain as day.

 

[GNex Girl]

and there have been at least some cases of it being switch back.

Um, no. There was one unverified REPORT of one guy getting a call from a so-called audit team. Meanwhile, hundreds of us have gotten it and kept it billing cycle after billing cycle and none have reported getting a call from the "audit team." Geez, just the name audit team is laughable. What a hoax.

 

[GNex Girl]

You tricked a rep into giving you something you are not entitled to have. Period.

Articulated plain as day.

How did I "trick" anyone? I called and asked for the feature. The feature was added. No tricks necessary.

A trick would involve deception. I didn't deceive anyone. I asked that a feature be added to my account. The feature was added. No deception involved.

You can make statements like "it's not right" or "you tricked a rep" but when I ask you to point out the trick, you have no response. How is asking for a feature to be added tricking someone? It's not.

 

[YourMobileGuru]

What you have said can be boiled down to this - it isn't the right thing to do because I say so. You haven't articulated a single reason why it is not the right thing to do. You have merely stated a bare conclusion that it is not the right thing to do in your opinion. OK then, in your opinion, contract modifications are not the right thing to do. Whatever.

It's not me that says it isn't the right thing to do. Policy says you are not entitled to unlimited data unless you were grand-parented into it before 7/7. You weren't so you are not entitled to it. That's pretty straight forward.

No one modified your contract. Your contract allows you to have any CURRENTLY OFFERED plan or feature compatible with your device. How me somewhere on the VZW site or current literature showing Unlimited Data. You can't because it isn't currently offered.

 

[YourMobileGuru]

How did I "trick" anyone? I called and asked for the feature. The feature was added. No tricks necessary.

A trick would involve deception. I didn't deceive anyone. I asked that a feature be added to my account. The feature was added. No deception involved.

You can make statements like "it's not right" or "you tricked a rep" but when I ask you to point out the trick, you have no response. How is asking for a feature to be added tricking someone? It's not.

WOW, the extend you are going to rationalize this blows my mind.

You called in knowing full well that you were not allowed to have unlimited data (two previous reps had even told you so), but took advantage of one who don't know better. It's a computer glitch and NOT supposed to do that.

Let me guess you were also one of those who went into a Best Buy and tricked a rep into selling you a Nexus early right?

 

[GNex Girl]

WOW, the extend you are going to rationalize this blows my mind.

You called in knowing full well that you were not allowed to have unlimited data (two previous reps had even told you so), but took advantage of one who don't know better. It's a computer glitch and NOT supposed to do that.

Let me guess you were also one of those who went into a Best Buy and tricked a rep into selling you a Nexus early right?

Again, you have not articulated anything I did that was wrong/a trick/deceptive/taking advantage. You say I "took advantage" of a rep who "don't [sic] know better." What exactly did I do that took advantage of them?

I made a request to someone authorized to grant that request. The request was granted. No threats were made, no bribes were taken, no deception was engaged in, no lies were told.

No rationalization - I just told you exactly what I did. You on the other hand cannot articulate a reason that what I did was wrong. Claiming it was wrong or that I tricked someone or took advantage of someone is not explaining how what I did was wrong or a trick or taking advantage. You can't do that because I didn't do that.

 

[YourMobileGuru]

Again, you have not articulated anything I did that was wrong/a trick/deceptive/taking advantage. You say I "took advantage" of a rep who "don't [sic] know better." What exactly did I do that took advantage of them?

I made a request to someone authorized to grant that request. The request was granted. No threats were made, no bribes were taken, no deception was engaged in, no lies were told.

No rationalization - I just told you exactly what I did. You on the other hand cannot articulate a reason that what I did was wrong. Claiming it was wrong or that I tricked someone or took advantage of someone is not explaining how what I did was wrong or a trick or taking advantage. You can't do that because I didn't do that.

I articulated it just fine. The policy documents have leaked and you can read them yourself. You took advantage of a reps ignorance and got them to give you something that you are not entitled to. That is wrong. You are choosing not to accept that which is your right but it is also my right to call you on it.

 

[GNex Girl]

There you go again. I asked you to explain how I did something wrong and all you do is make bare statements that I tricked or took advantage of someone but fail to explain what I did that was wrong. I made a request. The request was granted. No lies, no bribes, no deception, no threats, no tricks involved.

Also, there is no way I believe that you haven't reported this to VZW given your ties to them. So they know this is going on and they consent to it.