Google Nexus 6 Its the end of the Nexus brand

[A895]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

Regardless of what google gives us we can expect what ever we want. Who is to say what is right? You?
The right or wrong is all relative to what expects from something. It is not clear cut true or false.
Think about it for a while.

Who is to say what you say is right? Because you nor anyone else here speaks for Google, so we want or expect is irrelevant, you either get with it or get lost. Complaining about it, won't change a thing.

 

[Scott7217]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

I was too, but the market didn't respond. People (in the US at least) still stuck to buying their phones from carriers, either through contracts or through payment plans.

To be fair, though, most contracts in the US have 2-year terms. (I hear Canada has 3-year contracts!) Making changes to people's relationships with the carriers is a long-term endeavor.

 

[Scott7217]

Re: The carriers forced the price

Hopefully with this newfound money they will use for advertising then. More people having vanilla android could be a good thing.

A lot of people think there are only "iPhones" and "Galaxy" phones. It would be nice if Google could educate the public on what is an Android phone. That would be an improvement.

 

[yfan]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

To be fair, though, most contracts in the US have 2-year terms. (I hear Canada has 3-year contracts!) Making changes to people's relationships with the carriers is a long-term endeavor.

True, but it turned out that for most people who were looking for a new phone because their contracts were ending, they continue to go with either another contract or buying a phone on a payment plan.

 

[21stNow]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

By that logic Google is also responsible for establishing and maintaining (for 2 years at least) the belief by their consumers that the nexus brand is value orientated.

I can't relate to your comment, as I never had the belief that the Nexus brand was value oriented. I have had the belief that the Nexus brand is about bringing a pure Android/Google experience to a smartphone and tablet. The fact that Nexus phones dropped in price when they hit the Play Store made me happy as a consumer, but never changed my belief to Nexus being a value brand.

I think that the price shock is coming from those who only started buying Nexus devices from the Play Store. Those of us (like me) who have bought Nexus phones since before they were in the Play Store are not shocked by this pricing as much and don't associate a certain price with the Nexus phones.

I don't understand complaints about the Nexus 6 being $649 when the Galaxy Nexus was $649 at launch. Three years and many technology improvements later, we still get the same price for the device.

 

[nexus89]

Re: My buying decision comes down to this

What are the atnt plans like?? Their site was hard to figure out. I looked on T-Mobile and it looks like they only offer unlimited minutes?? Which means their pricing mainly on GB. For me to get the same 5gb I'd have to get the 70/ month plan. Which to me means no.

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[ianhanson85]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

Right, and for the last few years they wanted it to be a line of extremely low priced bang for your buck pure android devices thus they were perceived this way. Now they've done a complete turn around and I'm fine with that. As you said they can do whatever the hell they want.

I agree. However the great price for an amazing device was much more appealing to me.

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[Ry]

Re: The carriers forced the price

They couldn't care less, as the Nexus line has almost no sales.

I'd be upset.

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[dbareis]

Re: The carriers forced the price

Yes let's ban all the carriers! Boycott them! Screw em all!
Oh no how am I going to use my phone now?

Mesh networks, going to happen sometime...

 

[Ry]

Re: The carriers forced the price

A lot of people think there are only "iPhones" and "Galaxy" phones. It would be nice if Google could educate the public on what is an Android phone. That would be an improvement.

Here's the thing. As long as it runs Play Services and Google's search, it really doesn't matter if it's a Galaxy, or a Moto, or a G, or an Xperia.

That's the beauty of the open ecosystem.

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[Greg C]

Re: The carriers forced the price

One+ built and sell a high end phone at cost for $300
Google/LG built and sell a high end N5 for $350

I find it impossible to believe that Moto couldn't do that at a much lower price point. $650 has a very healthy profit margin built in, like every other Android flagship. The US carriers much have forced a high price as a condition of carrying this phone, there is no other explanation.

The carrier's had nothing to do with the price. It's a little known fact that earlier Nexus devices were sold at a LOSS or breaking about even. This price you see for the Nexus 6 is more accurate. Carriers also take a loss or break even with their devices. They make it up with services, data plans and such. I had a Nexus 4 before I went to the Galaxy S5 and spent a lot of time in the Nexus forums. Before anyone says I'm wrong... do your research.

 

[ryanr509]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

We got what 2 or 3 years worth of amazing cheap devices. Now the price matches the quality of phone.

 

[ultravisitor]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

Regardless of what google gives us we can expect what ever we want.

Of course you can. But that's awfully broad, and it would obviously be impossible for any and all possible expectations to be reasonable, contrary to what you claim.

 

[Gray Area]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

The only problem I see with the new nexus is its size! Not everyone wants a 6 inch phone, they shouldve done 2 models a 5 inch and a 6 IMO. But the other stuff about pricing and carriers, I don't really see that as killing the nexus brand.

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[tdizzel]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

I'm gonna go ahead and call this the most ridiculous thread in the history of this or any other forum. I mean seriously?!? You don't like what Google did with the N6, so the Nexus line is dead? C'mon man! You know what, I don't like that the iPhone 6 bent so I'm gonna call Tim Cook and tell him to shut down Apple. Are there even words to describe how ridiculous this whole thing is?
Google invented the Nexus. Until they sell that line, it's whatever they say it is. You can have your expectations and be disappointed as much as you want, but what you can't do is run Google. If Google comes out with a flip phone that only dials 3 numbers, is designed with a cracked screen and they charge $1,500 for it and call it a Nexus, guess what? Its a Nexus!
We get it, you feel entitled to a cheap phone with top notch specs and you don't care who loses money or makes money over it, but the world don't work that way. Businesses are around to make money, not to pamper to the entitled cheapskates who whine on forums.
Bottom line is the Nexus line isn't going away. If anything, this points to Google putting more resources into it in order to get more "regular people" to buy it rather than catering to the 1/10th of 1% of the smartphone market that is represented by these forums. If you don't like that, fine. Like many have said there are other options. That's what Android is about-options and choices. Google made the choice to build a premium, higher cost Nexus. They're a multi-billion dollar, international company that is rated as the second most valuable company on the planet. You're some poster on some forum. You have zero say what is or isn't a Nexus.

 

[tdizzel]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

By that logic Google is also responsible for establishing and maintaining (for 2 years at least) the belief by their consumers that the nexus brand is value orientated.

The problem with your statement is that the consumers had no idea what the Nexus brand was about when they started buying it. People don't take the time to read or understand things. They just said "ooh that phone is cheap off contract, I want one" But they had no idea what the whole point of it was. Google never ever said they wanted the Nexus to be a bargain priced phone line. Google has maintained that the entire point of the Nexus line is to be a reference device for developers. That's why there's never been much advertisement for it - their target audience always knew what it was and where to get it. But nobody wants to hear that. They just say "ooh that phone is cheap off contract" Now that the phone is more expensive, they can no longer afford the phone that wasn't for them anyway and they cry.

 

[Premium1]

Re: The carriers forced the price

One+ built and sell a high end phone at cost for $300
Google/LG built and sell a high end N5 for $350

I find it impossible to believe that Moto couldn't do that at a much lower price point. $650 has a very healthy profit margin built in, like every other Android flagship. The US carriers much have forced a high price as a condition of carrying this phone, there is no other explanation.

QHD screen, newer processor, etc all add to the price. I am sure the carriers had something to do with it, but this is the price of a flagship, except a few sold outside the states. Google is weening people off the cheap price and cutting corners mentality. The nexus 6 is the first nexus to not cut any corners to keep cost down unlike previous nexus.

 

[Premium1]

Re: The carriers forced the price

This phone won't sell, way too big. Too bad cause it's pretty dang nice other than size. Needs to be closer to 5".

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Thats what they said about the note line and well, we see how well that sells. The thing is the market is changing and there is this thing called choice. You don't like the nexus 6, grab the nexus 5 or any of the other great options android has to offer. Nobody is forcing you to buy this phone, too many people spew entitlement because google didn't make it exactly how they wanted it. People want all the bells and whistles while paying nothing for it. If you don't like the size of the 6, grab the nexus 5 or the moto x pure edition. Yes phones were cheaper in the past, but if indeed the phone is "too big" the market will react. I think this being the first nexus on every carrier, it is going to be a solid seller. No galaxy or iPhone like, but a good seller, because it most likely will end up pretty cheap on contract a month or two down the road.

 

[b_slow1]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

There is no winning with the Nexus fans. They complained for the last two years that they had to put up with "compromises" in their Nexus device. Now, with the Nexus 6, we have a device with no compromises, but they complain about having to pay for it.

It seems that you want a phone that has the best specs across the board, and also costs half the price of similar, competing products. Is that a fair demand, in your view? Because to me, it seems rather selfish. You don't see other companies selling flagship devices for under $400. (Don't give me any nonsense about the One Plus One. That phone is vaporware as far as I'm concerned).

If you can't afford a top-of-the-line device, you have to change your expectations and buy a phone that fits your budget. It's that simple.

 

[hunterilli]

Re: Its the end of the Nexus brand

Let's say you are a loyal nexus customer and you've bought the N4, N5, and now are going to buy the N6... The N4 was $300 before the discount, the N5 was $400, and the N6 is $650. If you average these prices out, you have only been paying $450 each year for the Nexus phone. Considering the advantages of having a regularly updated stock android experience and on the third year you'll have a super spec'd nexus, paying the relatively low $450 for this beefed up phone (technically) is actually not a high price at all and worth it if you get over the size. People have spent money on stupider things.

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