Google Pixel 2 XL is not really IP67 water resistant

[cbreze]

Having some water resistance is good but Id never put it in water intentionally. IMO that pushes that boundary and is totally nuts.

 

[Mike Dee]

Having some water resistance is good but Id never put it in water intentionally. IMO that pushes that boundary and is totally nuts.

Me either...yet I see posters constantly bragging that they go in the pool with their phones. Some of them actually believe they will be covered by the factory warranty. Good luck with that.

 

[ptkelly]

That's super deceptive since they advertise it as waterproof

Do you have a link for an add saying the Pixel 2 is waterproof?

 

[midnightfrolic]

so what does IP67 really mean to you guys?

The OP took it into the shower, I'm guessing, for less than 30mins. I'm sure the shower isn't scalding hot to damage the seal. Otherwise thats poor seals. It wasn't submerged so there isn't any water pressure to break the seal.

A shower is like raining hard. if I'm stuck outside and it rains and I need to make a phone call, then my phone dies due to water damage, the manufacturer isn't gonna honor the IP67 RATING?

Or someone splashes me with water or tosses a water balloon and it hits the phone to and stops working.

I never plan to get any of my electronic s near water.

 

[TraderGary]

so what does IP67 really mean to you guys?

The OP took it into the shower, I'm guessing, for less than 30mins. I'm sure the shower isn't scalding hot to damage the seal. Otherwise thats poor seals. It wasn't submerged so there isn't any water pressure to break the seal.

A shower is like raining hard. if I'm stuck outside and it rains and I need to make a phone call, then my phone dies due to water damage, the manufacturer isn't gonna honor the IP67 RATING?

I never plan to get any of my electronic s near water.

No doubt the problem with a warranty to cover all water damage would be the inability to tell what you did to get the damage. Maybe you took your phone scuba diving. Maybe you dropped it in the deep end of your swimming pool and it sat there on the bottom of the pool over night and you didn't discover it until the next day.

 

[Mike Dee]

Do you have a link for an add saying the Pixel 2 is waterproof?

I wasn't referring to the Pixel....you'll have to read up a few posts to see that I was referring to a Caterpillar phone.

 

[Morty2264]

No doubt the problem with a warranty to cover all water damage would be the inability to tell what you did to get the damage. Maybe you took your phone scuba diving. Maybe you dropped it in the deep end of your swimming pool and it sat there on the bottom of the pool over night and you didn't discover it until the next day.

True. They wouldn't be able to tell how exactly you damaged your phone. Who knows, maybe you dunked your phone in your water cup to clean it...

 

[Rukbat]

Nextel (or actually Motorola, when they still designed and manufactured phones under their own name) made a case that was waterproof due to the O-ring completely surrounding the edge. Take it into the shower, take it swimming, and it would still be dry inside. If you warped the case enough to let water in, you'd crack the plastic, giving the cause away - voiding the warranty.

Although, these days, most "insurance" plans include water damage.

 

[chanchan05]

so what does IP67 really mean to you guys?

The OP took it into the shower, I'm guessing, for less than 30mins. I'm sure the shower isn't scalding hot to damage the seal. Otherwise thats poor seals. It wasn't submerged so there isn't any water pressure to break the seal.

A shower is like raining hard. if I'm stuck outside and it rains and I need to make a phone call, then my phone dies due to water damage, the manufacturer isn't gonna honor the IP67 RATING?

Or someone splashes me with water or tosses a water balloon and it hits the phone to and stops working.

I never plan to get any of my electronic s near water.

You're only taking into account water in that. Steam/water vapor can get into places that water can't. Rain doesn't have steam, warm bathrooms have. They can get into your phone, condense inside once it's cooler, and boom water damage.
Also the ratings only take into account fresh clean water. I dare say most likely they used distilled water. That means pure water no ions or anything that can break apart the seals. Tap water has various components apart from water. Some places they're chlorinated, or flourides, sometimes there are bits of contamination they pick up along the way, etc. Repeated exposure would eventually break the seals down.
These are reasons why we should never really push the ratings. Not all water is the same.

 

[Morty2264]

You're only taking into account water in that. Steam/water vapor can get into places that water can't. Rain doesn't have steam, warm bathrooms have. They can get into your phone, condense inside once it's cooler, and boom water damage.
Also the ratings only take into account fresh clean water. I dare say most likely they used distilled water. That means pure water no ions or anything that can break apart the seals. Tap water has various components apart from water. Some places they're chlorinated, or flourides, sometimes there are bits of contamination they pick up along the way, etc. Repeated exposure would eventually break the seals down.
These are reasons why we should never really push the ratings. Not all water is the same.

This was a very good read. I agree with you a hundred percent.

 

[Cryo7c1]

IP Rating Chart | DSMT.com

IP66 Protected from total dust ingress. Protected from high pressure water jets from any direction.

IP67 Protected from total dust ingress. Protected from immersion between 15 centimeters and 1 meter in depth.

IP68 Protected from total dust ingress. Protected from long term immersion up to a specified pressure.

IP69K Protected from total dust ingress. Protected from steam-jet cleaning.

Yes, the rating takes into account pressure, steam and direction of water. The ratings are cumulative.

 

[Fred98TJ]

You're only taking into account water in that. Steam/water vapor can get into places that water can't. Rain doesn't have steam, warm bathrooms have. They can get into your phone, condense inside once it's cooler, and boom water damage.
Also the ratings only take into account fresh clean water. I dare say most likely they used distilled water. That means pure water no ions or anything that can break apart the seals. Tap water has various components apart from water. Some places they're chlorinated, or flourides, sometimes there are bits of contamination they pick up along the way, etc. Repeated exposure would eventually break the seals down.
These are reasons why we should never really push the ratings. Not all water is the same.

Never seen a bathroom with stream and I highly doubt any have. Seems a lot of people have no idea what steam is.
It is not the white “fog” you see in the bathroom when you turn on a hot shower for instance.

 

[Mike Dee]

Never seen a bathroom with stream and I highly doubt any have. Seems a lot of people have no idea what steam is.
It is not the white “fog” you see in the bathroom when you turn on a hot shower for instance.

If we are going to be technical: If you can see it....it's not steam

 

[Fred98TJ]

If we are going to be technical: If you can see it....it's not steam

Yup.

 

[Fred98TJ]

Everyone thinks fine water particles (like fog) is steam if the environment is warm. It’s not.
Anyone had a shower that produced steam and they got into it death would be very very rapid

 

[applezen]

Just to chip in, Sony phones support low pressure water jet and immersion. They are superior in this department. Their Xperia top end models supports both IP65/IP68.

 

[PaulQ]

Interesting thread and I feel much more informed although I wish I had read this BEFORE my most recent trip.

I admit, I was under the impression that "water resistant" meant more than what is described here. The reason I wanted to use the phone in the shower was to listen to music. At home, I use a waterproof speaker but when I am travelling, I don't have it. The whole dual front speakers was an awesome plus in my mind.

So - there I am taking a shower in a notoriously screwed up Kenyan shower that shoots water all over the place - thinking, no problem! Stream hits the phone, it's fine! Well, then the volume dropped dramatically. I had a WTF moment, grabbed the phone and ran a towel over it right away, the volume shot back up. I was actually disappointed and shocked like the OP here. I was under the impression he was. I thought, OMG, did I just ruin my phone.

Want to know how concerned I was? I went out into the hotel WiFi and looked up, "Pixel 2 water proofing" but I don't remember it changing my mind like this thread just did.

For my subsequent showers, I put it just behind the shower curtain. Luckily, you don't really get hot water there so steam wasn't much of an issue but I am so glad I caught this thread because I do get hot water in other places and I would never have though to be concerned about my Pixel.

Lessons learned. Thanks guys!

 

[chanchan05]

No the ratings are not cunmulative. There is no standard tests for it. If the phone can survive 30min in low pressure submersion it gets 1P67, regardless if it could pass IP66 or not.

IP Rating Chart | DSMT.com

IP66Protected from total dust ingress.Protected from high pressure water jets from any direction.

IP67Protected from total dust ingress.Protected from immersion between 15 centimeters and 1 meter in depth.

IP68Protected from total dust ingress.Protected from long term immersion up to a specified pressure.

IP69KProtected from total dust ingress.Protected from steam-jet cleaning.

Yes, the rating takes into account pressure, steam and direction of water. The ratings are cumulative.

 

[Fred98TJ]

No the ratings are not cunmulative. There is no standard tests for it. If the phone can survive 30min in low pressure submersion it gets 1P67, regardless if it could pass IP66 or not.

Correct, the get are NOT cumulative. They are individual ratings. I suggest to read the actual testing procedure for IP67 and IP68 for instance, especially as related to the water.

 

[davidnc]

I don't take my phone in the bathroom,shower or put in water, or under running water.Regardless of the rating
Also don't plan to with any future phones either.