Google Pixel 3 / 3 XL 2018

I enjoy metal backs more than glass and have never particularly wanted wireless charging. But I'd be lying if I said it's not going to be nice to finally be able to actually use the wireless charging pad that's built into my truck.
Yeah it'll be great. Especially interested to see what the assistant features with the wireless charger is.

Just one of the great benefits of ditchimg the metal back. And doubly good as it won't have that bad coating to make it feel cheap like the 2/2 XL had. Never made sense to me to make a metal phone then coat it in a material that makes it feel like a cheap plastic material... It even scratched up like plastic, yikes.

Anyway all that's in the past, now we're finally getting a really premium feeling phone for the Pixel with the added benefit of wireless charging with assistant features. Very interesting.
 
Yeah it'll be great. Especially interested to see what the assistant features with the wireless charger is.

Just one of the great benefits of ditchimg the metal back. And doubly good as it won't have that bad coating to make it feel cheap like the 2/2 XL had. Never made sense to me to make a metal phone then coat it in a material that makes it feel like a cheap plastic material... It even scratched up like plastic, yikes.

Anyway all that's in the past, now we're finally getting a really premium feeling phone for the Pixel with the added benefit of wireless charging with assistant features. Very interesting.

Let it be clear to the jury that I do not endorse nor agree with the opinions written in response to my comment 😂.

I love my 2XL, think it definitely has a "premium" feel and firmly believe that the panda color I'm lucky to have is one of the best looking phones on the market.
 
Let it be clear to the jury that I do not endorse nor agree with the opinions written in response to my comment 😂.

I love my 2XL, think it definitely has a "premium" feel and firmly believe that the panda color I'm lucky to have is one of the best looking phones on the market.

Same here... My Panda 2XL looks and feels and feels great. It's better than any glass backed phone out there.

To each his own but glass is a big mistake past, present and future....great for warranty sales though.
 
Let it be clear to the jury that I do not endorse nor agree with the opinions written in response to my comment .

I love my 2XL, think it definitely has a "premium" feel and firmly believe that the panda color I'm lucky to have is one of the best looking phones on the market.

Fair enough, we all have different opinions.

I have the panda Pixel 2 XL and think the coating over it makes it feel like a cheap plastic phone to me. I also have chips and scratches on it now where the coating has been damaged, just like cheaper plastic phones would have, so not happy with the build of the 2 XL at all to be honest.

Glad it's going to glass, moves it up to a premium feeling device and has the added benefit of wireless charging.
 
Fair enough, we all have different opinions.

I have the panda Pixel 2 XL and think the coating over it makes it feel like a cheap plastic phone to me. I also have chips and scratches on it now where the coating has been damaged, just like cheaper plastic phones would have, so not happy with the build of the 2 XL at all to be honest.

Glad it's going to glass, moves it up to a premium feeling device and has the added benefit of wireless charging.
Agreed. Some of my friends tried holding my Pixel and they said that it doesn't have that premium feeling. The iPhone X feels so much better in the hand.
 
Let it be clear to the jury that I do not endorse nor agree with the opinions written in response to my comment .

I love my 2XL, think it definitely has a "premium" feel and firmly believe that the panda color I'm lucky to have is one of the best looking phones on the market.
Sustained.
 
I haven't read through all the replies in this thread, so forgive me if this has already been brought up but I have a couple of points I'd like to make.

As to the window on the rear, IIRC the reason they went that way, was to help with radio transmission. That started with the Nexus 6p. While a completely metal back would look nicer (although that's a matter of preference) I'd take better performing radio transmission any day, especially as someone who lives in an area with low signal levels.

As for them using an LCD for the screens, while I'm sure these newer LCDs are better than past iterations, they're inherent properties run in contrast to some of the goals they're trying to achieve with these devices.
First, LCDs aren't going to be as efficient for something like Always on Display. OLED displays work better in that they only turn on the pixels necessary to display the pertinent information. With an LCD, the entire display has to be turned on, so it won't be as efficient as an OLED panel.
Second, if the new panels aren't compliant with Daydream, that's another mark against it. Third, while recent LCDs have gotten better in terms of contrast, they still don't match OLED panels. And how are off axis viewing angles, as those used to be horrible with LCD panels.

While I understand wanting a larger display, at some point it stops being useful for one handed operation, which was the point of the smaller Pixel model. So if they can increase the size of the display without increasing the physical dimesmions of the phone, that's probably ok. While I dont like the elongated displays pioneered by Samsung (it's fine for watching video shot in that format, but for everything else like 4:3 & 16:9 video and images, it's worse). But since that's the way the industry seems to be moving to, there's not much I can do about it.

Some have mentioned using the display/glass to transmit sound instead of traditional speakers. While it would allow bezelless phones, I can't help but think that volume and clarity will take a hit.

I hope they do go back to the flat glass instead of this 2.5D stuff they've been using. For one thing, if you use a case and screen protector, it doesn't work. The whole glass protectors won't work with cases, and the ones that cover just the face don't last. My SP on my Pixel 2 has 2 spots (the top corners of the phone) that have lifted after a month to 2 months. This happened with the previous 2 SPs I installed. Apparently the only option is either the film protectors that don't feel like glass, or this new brush on coating that's recently come out. Since that's new, it's longevity can't be spoken to.

From what I also understand, the new devices will be covered in glass to allow for wireless charging. I should've known this would happen when Apple introduced this on their line. Now the need for a case will be even more necessary. I used wireless charging for about a month a few years back, and found it more cumbersome than just plugging in the phone. It's not as fast, it causes more heat generation (simply from the induction process) and placement was a pain. So to add a fragile shell to the device to accomplish this, it's benefits are outweighed by the potential risks IMHO.

So that's the end of my rant. Depending on the final product, it may be time for me again to go to another OEM. While I like the GA integration, fast updates, and minimal skin compared to AOSP, I'm worried they're just going to incorporate a hodgepodge of features from other OEMs to compete rather than setting themselves apart. The problem seems to be that all the OEMs are doing the same.
 
Whether you prefer a notch or not, or believe it really buys you screen space, this is just a godawful design:


pixel-3-xl-leak-2.png
 
Front firing speakers aren't worth it if it requires bezels that are that awkwardly thick. Even HTC had the right of mind to change their dual-speaker set up to one in the front earpiece and another in the bottom of the device for more bass. Only Google is sticking with front-firing dual speakers.

As for the notch, even if you believe a notch helps you buy screen space, why is the Pixel 3 XL notch so deep? How will the notification bar UI look with such a deep notch?

Can someone help me understand Google's design decisions here?
 
I haven't read through all the replies in this thread, so forgive me if this has already been brought up but I have a couple of points I'd like to make.

As to the window on the rear, IIRC the reason they went that way, was to help with radio transmission. That started with the Nexus 6p. While a completely metal back would look nicer (although that's a matter of preference) I'd take better performing radio transmission any day, especially as someone who lives in an area with low signal levels.

As for them using an LCD for the screens, while I'm sure these newer LCDs are better than past iterations, they're inherent properties run in contrast to some of the goals they're trying to achieve with these devices.
First, LCDs aren't going to be as efficient for something like Always on Display. OLED displays work better in that they only turn on the pixels necessary to display the pertinent information. With an LCD, the entire display has to be turned on, so it won't be as efficient as an OLED panel.
Second, if the new panels aren't compliant with Daydream, that's another mark against it. Third, while recent LCDs have gotten better in terms of contrast, they still don't match OLED panels. And how are off axis viewing angles, as those used to be horrible with LCD panels.

While I understand wanting a larger display, at some point it stops being useful for one handed operation, which was the point of the smaller Pixel model. So if they can increase the size of the display without increasing the physical dimesmions of the phone, that's probably ok. While I dont like the elongated displays pioneered by Samsung (it's fine for watching video shot in that format, but for everything else like 4:3 & 16:9 video and images, it's worse). But since that's the way the industry seems to be moving to, there's not much I can do about it.

Some have mentioned using the display/glass to transmit sound instead of traditional speakers. While it would allow bezelless phones, I can't help but think that volume and clarity will take a hit.

I hope they do go back to the flat glass instead of this 2.5D stuff they've been using. For one thing, if you use a case and screen protector, it doesn't work. The whole glass protectors won't work with cases, and the ones that cover just the face don't last. My SP on my Pixel 2 has 2 spots (the top corners of the phone) that have lifted after a month to 2 months. This happened with the previous 2 SPs I installed. Apparently the only option is either the film protectors that don't feel like glass, or this new brush on coating that's recently come out. Since that's new, it's longevity can't be spoken to.

From what I also understand, the new devices will be covered in glass to allow for wireless charging. I should've known this would happen when Apple introduced this on their line. Now the need for a case will be even more necessary. I used wireless charging for about a month a few years back, and found it more cumbersome than just plugging in the phone. It's not as fast, it causes more heat generation (simply from the induction process) and placement was a pain. So to add a fragile shell to the device to accomplish this, it's benefits are outweighed by the potential risks IMHO.

So that's the end of my rant. Depending on the final product, it may be time for me again to go to another OEM. While I like the GA integration, fast updates, and minimal skin compared to AOSP, I'm worried they're just going to incorporate a hodgepodge of features from other OEMs to compete rather than setting themselves apart. The problem seems to be that all the OEMs are doing the same.
Who said they're using LCDs?
 
I am not even considering the Pixel 3 Xl, and based off those renders, it looks like I was right. That bottom chin with that notch, just look terrible.

If they are going to copy crApple this hard, at least understand why they are copying. With a bottom bexel, there is no use to a top notch. It just look unbalanced and ridiculous.

It's a good thing the 2 XL is magnificent.
 
Front firing speakers aren't worth it if it requires bezels that are that awkwardly thick. Even HTC had the right of mind to change their dual-speaker set up to one in the front earpiece and another in the bottom of the device for more bass. Only Google is sticking with front-firing dual speakers.

As for the notch, even if you believe a notch helps you buy screen space, why is the Pixel 3 XL notch so deep? How will the notification bar UI look with such a deep notch?

Can someone help me understand Google's design decisions here?
Yeah I'm not sure what Google is doing when it comes to hardware design. With these new pictures, that's a very deep notch and large bottom bezel. Surely they could do better than this. Chinese companies with cheaper devices are coming up with much slicker designs, surely Google could have.

I think moving to the sound setup that HTC/Samsung/Apple have would definitely be better. As you said, HTC - the pioneers of front facing speakers, have moved to a more efficient setup.



I haven't read through all the replies in this thread, so forgive me if this has already been brought up but I have a couple of points I'd like to make.

As to the window on the rear, IIRC the reason they went that way, was to help with radio transmission. That started with the Nexus 6p. While a completely metal back would look nicer (although that's a matter of preference) I'd take better performing radio transmission any day, especially as someone who lives in an area with low signal levels.

Other, all-metal phones haven't had the glass window and have been fine with wireless reception. Add to that, the Pixel 2/ 2 XL still have antenna bands all over the phone. You can't just localise the antenna bands to the top windowed portion, you still need the antenna bands at the bottom of the phone.

As far as LCD, it's been leaked that the Pixel 3 XL at least will have LG's OLED's again.
 
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Just as an FYI, the chin and the notch have nothing to do with each other. One doesn't influence the other.

"The notch and chin aren't related. They house separate and unrelated components, with the exception of the speakers, which are only related in that they're both front facing speakers. Part of the reason the chin exists is because LG doesn't have panels for google that bend around the bottom like Samsung's displays in the iPhone X. That means the bottom chin houses all the bottom display connectors, as well as the speaker, etc".
 
Just as an FYI, the chin and the notch have nothing to do with each other. One doesn't influence the other.

"The notch and chin aren't related. They house separate and unrelated components, with the exception of the speakers, which are only related in that they're both front facing speakers. Part of the reason the chin exists is because LG doesn't have panels for google that bend around the bottom like Samsung's displays in the iPhone X. That means the bottom chin houses all the bottom display connectors, as well as the speaker, etc".

Thank you for pointing this out! People keep saying it's a "large" bottom bezel as well, which baffels me. It looks the same as the 2XL which these same people are also claiming is a good looking device...

The 3xl looks like a 2XL with 2/3 of the top bezel missing and people are about to have a damn hernia every time 3XL comes out of their mouths.
 
Front firing speakers aren't worth it if it requires bezels that are that awkwardly thick. Even HTC had the right of mind to change their dual-speaker set up to one in the front earpiece and another in the bottom of the device for more bass. Only Google is sticking with front-firing dual speakers.

As for the notch, even if you believe a notch helps you buy screen space, why is the Pixel 3 XL notch so deep? How will the notification bar UI look with such a deep notch?

Can someone help me understand Google's design decisions here?

As someone who uses their phone a lot to watch video in landscape mode, I absolutely hate having the speaker on the bottom. The location is covered by my hands, I had that problem on my Pixel 1, and was one of the reasons I went to the P2. I had plenty of times where I was watching the video and had to adjust after it started to not cover the speaker. And even then I had to cup my hands to be able to hear it well. I used to install sound systems, and I've never aimed the speakers 90° away from the listener. Doing so means relying on off axis performance, which is never as good as on axis.
 
Yeah I'm not sure what Google is doing when it comes to hardware design. With these new pictures, that's a very deep notch and large bottom bezel. Surely they could do better than this. Chinese companies with cheaper devices are coming up with much slicker designs, surely Google could have.

I think moving to the sound setup that HTC/Samsung/Apple have would definitely be better. As you said, HTC - the pioneers of front facing speakers, have moved to a more efficient setup.





Other, all-metal phones haven't had the glass window and have been fine with wireless reception. Add to that, the Pixel 2/ 2 XL still have antenna bands all over the phone. You can't just localise the antenna bands to the top windowed portion, you still need the antenna bands at the bottom of the phone.

As far as LCD, it's been leaked that the Pixel 3 XL at least will have LG's OLED's again.

I understand that, but it may help for low signal levels areas on cellular radios. And if the radio transmissions they're talking about are Bluetooth or NFC, it would only need one open spot for transmission.

As I said at the beginning of my post, I hadn't read the entire thread, in fact I only read the first page, where it was being speculated on and in some cases, saying it was a good idea. Which is why I gave the reasons it wouldn't be as good as OLED panels.
 
Just as an FYI, the chin and the notch have nothing to do with each other. One doesn't influence the other.

"The notch and chin aren't related. They house separate and unrelated components, with the exception of the speakers, which are only related in that they're both front facing speakers. Part of the reason the chin exists is because LG doesn't have panels for google that bend around the bottom like Samsung's displays in the iPhone X. That means the bottom chin houses all the bottom display connectors, as well as the speaker, etc".

So sounds like yet another reason why Samsung's panels are better than LG's panels. Google should have invested that ~$1 billion into Samsung's panels rather than LG's.
 

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