Google Pixels are NOT Samsung or Apple

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When we ask for base storage to be 128gb and bigger battery, we are not comparing to apple or Samsung. We we are simply asking why is Google charging flagship prices and giving us crappy hardware specs. If the phone was prices $300 less, no one will bring this up.

When Google gives you $260 for a trade in value on mint 3 XL, People get pissed because they feel cheated.

Was there this level of outage when Apple introduced a 64GB base storage starting from $1099...?

And people might think they want a bigger battery, but they're wrong. What they want is better battery life. Increasing battery size is just one way to achieve that. As is pretty evident from the experience posted by many in the forum, they do get an awful lot more life per mAh than many other OEMs.

They don't have class leading battery life in flagships, but they're not at the bottom either, and they are ample for the needs of the vast majority of people.

P.s. you really need to write longer posts

I tried ;)
 
1. Why are all manufacturers still comparing their cameras to Pixels if the Pixel is such a bad phone? (Hint - no one can touch the Visual Core chip's capabilities.)

2. Apple will always beat Android phones on battery - because the apps are native, not Java. (Or an iPhone can have a smaller battery than an Android phone and last as long - same reason.)
My pixel 3a regular has better battery life than my xs max ever did.
 
I played with one at best buy and it's about the same as my pixel 2xl with some improvement. I will not upgrade since I have the Note 10 plus but for some it's a worthy upgrade IMHO. Its getting a lot of bad press and I really don't see why it's a solid phone just no WOW factor this year from Google.
 
By that argument, buy a Moto g7 Power and laugh at every flagship. Can't look at just one spec, and can't look at a single spec like battery size and accurately gauge battery life any more than you can define MPG on a car by the size of the engine.

Also, people on this forum are far from representative of a typical smartphone user in terms of how much they use their device. Take this for example:

"we found that most people, on average, spend 3 hours and 15 minutes on our phones.

Now, that’s just an average. When we break these numbers down, we see that the top 20% of smartphone users have daily screen time in excess of 4.5 hours."

(Source: https://blog.rescuetime.com/screen-time-stats-2018/)

I have yet to see reports from anyone actually using the phone in a manner not effectively designed to drain a battery (e.g., gaming) that would cause either model to be insufficient for a typical day's use by a large majority of users, with the the demand not beginning to fail the top 20% until a point where 4XL users are noting still having 30-45% remaining.

If a phone has "middling" battery life compared to the longest lasting flagships but still coasts through the day with no recharge and no issue for the large majority, that's not such a bad thing. There's a point where enough is enough.

That being stated, there are definitely more users for whom the Pixels' battery life will require a recharge at some point during the day than with some others, but by the same token there is no phone on the market that would last me a full day if I get into some serious gaming sessions.

Basically buy what works for you but don't bash a phone as if it is a poor choice for all because it might not be ideal for 100% - there's plenty of other more legitimate and universally applicable criticisms that can be levied at Pixels, Notes, iPhones, and any other phone you care to mention.

I’d never buy a car that gets 10 mpg, and having to fill the tank up every day, and neither would you. The battery life on the Pixel 4 and Pixel 4 XL is average at best. That’s a fact. Just because the average consumer only spends a few hours on their phones doesn’t excuse the fact that Google consciously chose to place a small battery in expensive devices. Battery life is the single most important aspect of the phone, regardless of all other features. If the phone isn’t going to last all day with average use, that’s a concern.

The excuses people make for crappy battery life is astounding.
 
I’d never buy a car that gets 10 mpg, and having to fill the tank up every day, and neither would you. The battery life on the Pixel 4 and Pixel 4 XL is average at best. That’s a fact. Just because the average consumer only spends a few hours on their phones doesn’t excuse the fact that Google consciously chose to place a small battery in expensive devices. Battery life is the single most important aspect of the phone, regardless of all other features. If the phone isn’t going to last all day with average use, that’s a concern.

The excuses people make for crappy battery life is astounding.

I agree. No obvious reason why Google made the phone thicker and yet couldn’t increase the battery capacity...in fact they made it smaller. It makes you wonder how they managed to get such a basic thing wrong
 
I’d never buy a car that gets 10 mpg, and having to fill the tank up every day, and neither would you. The battery life on the Pixel 4 and Pixel 4 XL is average at best. That’s a fact. Just because the average consumer only spends a few hours on their phones doesn’t excuse the fact that Google consciously chose to place a small battery in expensive devices. Battery life is the single most important aspect of the phone, regardless of all other features. If the phone isn’t going to last all day with average use, that’s a concern.

The excuses people make for crappy battery life is astounding.
When I went to bed last night I had well over 5 hours of on screen time and still had 41% battery remaining. If I pushed it I would've had at least 7+ hours of on screen time on my XL. That's more then enough time for 99.9% of the population.
 
The fact that the op says Samsung phones come with 2 messaging apps lol. Samsung phones only come with Samsung messages by default. You're free to download any others as you choose plus there are many people that prefer the Samsung browser to chrome due to being less memory and better at blocker integration. Don't know people for simply having choices when it comes to apps. That is the foundation of Androids success in the first place.

I think the issue is more that you can't choose to remove the ones you don't want.
 
Personally I do not like the curved screen, Its to hard to find a screen protector to fit well and with the curved screen I accidentally open other apps near the edge. I also do not like all the bloatware on Samsung phones. You have 2 email programs, 2 browsers, 2 messaging apps and so on, and the ones you don't use you can't remove from the phone.
First of all, there are Samsung phones with a flat display, the most recent example is the S10e. Also, most of the bloatware can be uninstalled or disabled. And what cannot, you can restrict it so that it won't ever bother you.
And since the base storage for the S10 line of Galaxy phones is 128GB, AND they have MicroSD card support, I wouldn't worry about the few gigs that the pre loaded bloatware takes up
As for people complaining on battery life. Pixel battery life will improve as it learns your phone use habits. Don't start bashing them from the get go. This is what Google is all about, Learning your habits to make the best product available.
"Battery life will improve as you use it" ?

LOL.

2800mAh is 2800mAh, and 2800mAh is NOT enough for a mobile device running a high end chipset paired with a high resolution display that also happens to have a refresh rate of 90Hz (which you'll want to disable if you wanna stand a chance of lasting a day).
And that 2800mAh is gonna get even worse with time, probably around 2600mAh after 8-12 months if used and charged daily.
 
When I went to bed last night I had well over 5 hours of on screen time and still had 41% battery remaining. If I pushed it I would've had at least 7+ hours of on screen time on my XL. That's more then enough time for 99.9% of the population.

Your just wrong, and that's a fact! See post #24

"The battery life on the Pixel 4 and Pixel 4 XL is average at best. That’s a fact."

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I'd take those battery stats you posted any day of the week!

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First of all, there are Samsung phones with a flat display, the most recent example is the S10e. Also, most of the bloatware can be uninstalled or disabled. And what cannot, you can restrict it so that it won't ever bother you.
And since the base storage for the S10 line of Galaxy phones is 128GB, AND they have MicroSD card support, I wouldn't worry about the few gigs that the pre loaded bloatware takes up.



"Battery life will improve as you use it" ?

LOL.

2800mAh is 2800mAh, and 2800mAh is NOT enough for a mobile device running a high end chipset paired with a high resolution display that also happens to have a refresh rate of 90Hz (which you'll want to disable if you wanna stand a chance of lasting a day).
To be fair he's not totally wrong. There's something called adaptive battery in the Pixels (I don't know if it's on other devices. It may be) that learns what apps you use most often so it knows what ones it can close out in the background. As you use the phone more it gets better at predicting this. But there's only so much this can do. Is not like it's going to suddenly get you an extra 8 hours of battery life...
 
Your just wrong, and that's a fact! See post #24

"The battery life on the Pixel 4 and Pixel 4 XL is average at best. That’s a fact."

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I'd take those battery stats you posted any day of the week!

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It's been close to the same both days I've had it. Both days were low 40% range remaining with over 5 hours of screen on time both days. Just because the YouTubers didn't get that while doing stress tests on it doesn't mean I'm wrong. In fact if you look at a lot of the posts here you'll see that most of the people are reporting battery life similar to what I'm posting on the XL.
 
Ford and Chevy are direct competitors and yes you do read articles that that one is good and the other is not lol. Ex. Mustang and Camaro always compete with each other in sports car segment
 
I'm not sure what this so called battery issue is, but I'm not experiencing it whatsoever.

This battery issue is more specifically in regards to the 4 non-XL.

I think giving the 4 XL a 3700mAh cell is respectable enough, but 2800mAh for the regular 4? That's undefendable.

According to GSMarena:

Pixel 4: 5.7" display + 2800mAh
Pixel 4 XL: 6.3" display + 3700mAh

Everything else is EXACTLY the same on both devices.

So, there's only a difference of 0.6 of an inch between the two displays, so 8% smaller, but the smaller device gets a whopping 24% reduction in battery size
 
I can see 4Xl getting a decent battery life. On Note 10 with 3500mah I get about 7 hours of SOT with 16 hours of standby and I still have 20% left on battery. The smaller Pixel 4....not so much. Some review said they tested phone for entire week and every single day phone was dead before 8pm with around 4 hours of SOT
 
The fact that the op says Samsung phones come with 2 messaging apps lol. Samsung phones only come with Samsung messages by default. You're free to download any others as you choose plus there are many people that prefer the Samsung browser to chrome due to being less memory and better at blocker integration. Don't know people for simply having choices when it comes to apps. That is the foundation of Androids success in the first place.
If it comes with two apps it's because it downloaded an extra app from a prior phones backup... Lol
 
It's been close to the same both days I've had it. Both days were low 40% range remaining with over 5 hours of screen on time both days. Just because the YouTubers didn't get that while doing stress tests on it doesn't mean I'm wrong. In fact if you look at a lot of the posts here you'll see that most of the people are reporting battery life similar to what I'm posting on the XL.

I watched a video battery test and the 4XL beat the Note 10+ and held it's own against the 11 Pro Max. I think the 4XL battery bashers will be eating crow shortly!

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I’d never buy a car that gets 10 mpg, and having to fill the tank up every day, and neither would you. The battery life on the Pixel 4 and Pixel 4 XL is average at best. That’s a fact. Just because the average consumer only spends a few hours on their phones doesn’t excuse the fact that Google consciously chose to place a small battery in expensive devices. Battery life is the single most important aspect of the phone, regardless of all other features. If the phone isn’t going to last all day with average use, that’s a concern.

The excuses people make for crappy battery life is astounding.

If you find the Pixels' battery life as reported as "crappy" then there's scarcely any phones out there that you could realistically call good, and none great. To your point about the size, people shouldn't care about battery size, despite their being so ill-advised and miseducated by tech/youtube reviews/misguided forum dwellers. They care about battery life, and, more pointedly, having sufficient battery life.

Your application of the analogy is horribly faulty. Let's look at a better analogy, as that one applies poorly given gallon cost, etc, and we're talking user experience.

Let's say you are looking to buy an electric car. Every night when you get home, it charges, and is fully fueled the next morning. Now, for the sake of argument, let's say the average person normally drives between 200-250 miles per day. The Tesla has an estimated range of 300 miles, so every single day you have more than enough to cover your needs without seeking out a charging station. If you do find you'll need to recharge because for whatever reason you're traveling much more extensively that day, there are, for purposes of analogy, charging stations virtually everywhere, and option inexpensively and easily available that can even charge while you drive, providing substantive charge in mere minutes.

Another company has a competing electric car with a 350 mile range. It too covers your normal needs, and can go a bit further on busy days, but will, all the same, can absolutely need a recharge.

Both cars have a wide range of common features, and each also has their own set that the other doesn't offer, or in some cases doesn't offer as well. If the typical consumer prefers the feature set of the first greatly over the second, and knows that it is more realistic that the first will actually continue to improve more over a longer time as it is guaranteed 3 years of software updates that can actually enhance everything from speed to range to general quality of life, and the competitor has no such guarantee, it seems pretty silly to think it unreasonable for the average consumer to complain about the battery life being average if it nearly ever inconveniences them (and when it could, it's ridiculously easy to manage) when there are so many other benefits they will personally reap by opting for that car.

What you call 'crappy' the vast, vast majority of people will call 'fine' when they get the other features they value. Extra battery life beyond what one realistically needs in a day is a seldom-enjoyed luxury, while the other features can be of benefit every single day.
 
I watched a video battery test and the 4XL beat the Note 10+ and held it's own against the 11 Pro Max. I think the 4XL battery bashers will be eating crow shortly!

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Sadly they tend to retain and attempt to impose their position even when presented with actual data that belies their claim, or argue that even if a phone has more than one needs in a day, it's not as good as one that has more based on that even if the user will rarely if ever benefit from that excess and, if excluding Pixels from consideration on that basis, could be missing out on a phone that better checks a number of other items they value that they would enjoy every day.

4 and 4 XL aren't for everyone, and for some the battery life might legitimately be too large an obstacle, but it's the same old thing.

Last year 3 and 3 XL were panned by reviewers who somehow were praising them a few months later.
 
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