That is, unfortunately, a story that some will back and some won't. There's apparently a video from August 2007 circling with the G1 minus the Z hinge in it and Diane Hackthorn, another Google Engineer, says that they'd been working on that device since August. It's mostly he said she said. I wish there was something more firm so both sides would stop bickering.
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That is, unfortunately, a story that some will back and some won't. There's apparently a video from August 2007 circling with the G1 minus the Z hinge in it and Diane Hackthorn, another Google Engineer, says that they'd been working on that device since August. It's mostly he said she said. I wish there was something more firm so both sides would stop bickering.
1st is the HTC Magician, HTC Artemis, HTC Vogue, HTC Panda, LG Prada and the HTC Wallaby which was still a smartphone but lacked a lot of features that one might need to dictate it as such these days.
This is interesting, I just researched these and you're really scraping the bottom here, bro...
HTC Magician - Released on Dec 2004, required an input pen just to use it easily
HTC Artemis - Released on Oct 2006, same as Magician - resistive touchscreen - same as the grocery store input screen
HTC Vogue - Released on June 2007 (Same as the iPhone) still got that grocery store register screen (I have no idea how you were "flashing roms way before)
HTC Panda - Released May 2007 (pretty much same as the iPhone), you gessed it, ressistive touchscreen
HTC Wallaby - Released on Apr 2002, pocket PC, really?
If you really want to push the PDA battle - Apple Newton - this thing supported handwriting... in 1993.
Now to the real smartphones:
LG Prada - Released on May 2007 (two weeks before iPhone) - here's a review posted when the two were released... You touch buttons on screen to scroll and click around, much like a Palm or WM6 Phone. The menu design itself is similar to that on any high end LG phone, like, say the Shine. The 3-inch diagonal comes in useful as the entirety of it becomes a viewfinder in camera mode. The touchscreen let's you drag the home screen's clock around, and that fishy in the photo above is actually "touchable". And it ships with some touchscreen games. But generally speaking, it operates just like a regular phone. No revolutionary usage models here, either.
The iPhone uses it's touchscreen to zoom photos and webpages, flick scroll through long lists. iPhone has all the iTunes and data syncing integration built in, and the neato factor of coverflow. iPhone has networked widget compatibility for weather, stocks (yawn), and who knows what else is coming down the line.
Later Apple introduced AppStore, and the whole 3rd party development support (that everyone followed), the addition of mulitouch was years ahead (that everyone copied)... And it was later supported with updates for the next 3 years (up to iOS 3.1.3). LG Prada looked like a basement project as soon as iPhone 1 was released...
As for Samsung F700 - well it never worked!!!
Who was really first? Apple vs Samsung F700 Story Truly Debunked - Android Community
Bottom line, lets say u had to choose a phone around when LG Prada was released, would you really choose Prada, F700 (if it was sold the way it not-worked), Vogue, Panda, or Artemis? if so, why?
I'd choose iPhone for multi-touch alone... I still choose iPhone for the iOS...
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Apple has a right to protect their patents. Just saying.
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I'd have picked the Vogue every time. Sure, resistive tech did require a bit more pressure... Okay... I could also picture message, had an app store (You had to install the cab for the app store but it was there and the most compelling app wasn't a rubber duck that you could push and make squeak on a whim.) I had full MMOs before the iPhone had real games. No way I could use something that couldn't even get 3G.
Oh, one of my favorite apps from back then, SPB mobile shell. Even if the phone required a bit more pressure. The end result was a UI that, even on those low specs had a full 3D transition between home screens.
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But we established they don't since you said Android copied and Apple hasn't sued Google once for it.... So they obviously don't see an issue.
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I guess that we'll just have to call Steve and ask him why he didn't sue.
At one point he was scared to go after them because of their patents in search and map technologies. After that, he was scared from the acquisition of Motorola who basically owns the patent on mobile phones.
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I guess that we'll just have to call Steve and ask him why he didn't sue.
It's odd. You can say why Apple sues others (to protect and not patent troll) but when I ask why they didn't sue Google since you said Google copied.. You say we have to ask them. You can speak for them... Then once presented with something that goes against what you said you have to revert to ask them...
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I don't think that he was still around when Motorola was bought, but I may be wrong.
It's getting fairly obvious that you just want to argue, so you will get no more responses from me.
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It's not arguing. You made a point they are suing since people copy.. You said Android copied.. So I asked why wouldn't Apple sue Google if Google did indeed copy?
It's not arguing when I'm going on a point you brought up and simply asking you as to why that is.
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No it didn't. Because that figure includes all iPhones...even old models. If there was only one Android vendor, it's entirely possible it would outsell the iPhone...the Galaxy series already almost outsells it all by themselves, and there are countless millions more where they came from.
With iOS, the phone and the platform are the same thing. So you have no way of knowing which one they are really buying. The one thing all Android phones have in common is Android. So when someone buy's an Android phone, they are deliberately passing on Apple. They are saying the iPhone is not worth the price Apple is asking for their product.
According to who? Who gets to decide what "junk" is? The Nexus (as an example) is half the price of the best iPhone and has better specs. "junk" is relative. There are lots of other phones outside the US that are like that. The Nexus is not alone.
They all have the option of paying Apple's premium, and are choosing not to. They do not think the product is worth what Apple is asking.
Why did you leave the US out of your list?
This is as of a year ago:
Android Is Steadily Devouring Apple’s Market Share In Key World Markets
UK, Italy, Germany, Australia, Spain, France. You did not provide a link to your source, but I just did for mine.
LOL! Look at that chart. That is not a small margin, OR a minority.
So UK, Italy, Germany, Australia, Spain, France are poor countries in your opinion?
He was around for roughly 9 months... May have been ten but it was in there somewhere.
It's getting fairly obvious you have no answer to his question. And his question is completely valid. You are not being consistent.
You cite lawsuits as evidence that copying was done, because Apple has to protect it's patents. Yet the absence of any patent lawsuits against google is NOT evidence that there is no copying? You can't have it both ways.
If it is the latter, it means it is possible to copy even if no lawsuit has been filed. So which is it? Is it possible to copy in the absence of lawsuits or not?
And if he doesn't answer, that must mean he had no claim.I guess that we'll just have to call Steve and ask him why he didn't sue.
No matter how ridiculous they are?
Do you really think Apple invented Slide to Unlock? Or the idea of swiping? Or the idea of the icon grid?
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