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[z33dev33l]

There are lots of Chinese made phones that are in that price range that have what most people would consider high end specs. The phones in that link are what Apple Insider themselves considers to be non-junk.

That's why I asked your opinion on what dictated high end earlier. I feel our opinions might vary there as I'm more a software guy and I feel you strike me as more a hardware fan

 

[pappy53]

Since we're not going to stop on this sales thing, I'd like to point out an error in the logic and part of why the numbers aren't measuring up.

If you're cancelling flagships that released prior to 2012 from the Android numbers and not including all of the other OEM devices and/or the 2012 devices for anything except the Note 2 and S4 then I'd knock off between 1/6 and 1/3 of the iPhone sales number. The reason for this is that Apple tells us total sales volume per quarter (in this case year) and not by model. The 2012 numbers include devices made in 2010 and 2011 and the 2013 numbers include devices made in 2011. In that vein, to make this an oranges to oranges comparison we'd either need to back those sales out (I was generous and assumed a 60% newest 30% legacy and 10% free phone distribution = 1/6 doesn't count) and we would need to include the Galaxy S, Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S2 (and all variants), HTC Evo, HTC Thunderbolt, HTC Evo 3D, HTC Evo 4G LTE, HTC One X, HTC One X+, Sony Xperia lines from 2011 forward, all of Moto's devices (in US sales they didn't have a "junk" device, not sure about overseas but they're minimal), all of LG's devices plus all of the higher end models that exist predominately overseas from OEMs like Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo, etc, etc.

Given that logic the best way to measure it would be to only measure new device sales by OS and then reduce Android's by the "junk" factor. Jeff's logic works in this example and could be applied to each quarter in the evaluation period (2012-now). We'd simply sum the total activations numbers for the 30 months or 10 quarters, apply the market share and multiply by the percentage that is "not junk".

If we give Apple Insider the benefit if the doubt, then 34% are "not junk" and therefore 34% of 81% = 27.54% and that is slightly over 2:1 (about 19/9) of Apple's ratio, for the quarter shown.

Either way, the list of devices that were sold in 2012 through 2014 is much longer than 10 devices. Those aren't even the top 10.

I found sales of the high-end Androids on my list to be about 113,000,000 since 2012. iPhone sold about 356,000,000 during that same period, so all of the phones that you listed above would have to sell an additional 243,000,000 since 2012 to match the iPhone for that period. I don't believe that has happened. The article on Apple Insider is just an educated guess, that's all. Someone else could write a report and state that high-end Androids accounted for 10% of sales, and they could be just as accurate as the other article.

 

[FFR]

Yeah, I can see that. 1,000,000,000 X 44% = 440,000,000. iPhones = 500,000,000.
Close as you said, but iPhone is ahead.

If you want to count android tablets , apples figure increases to 800 million devices.

Fair is fair.

 

[z33dev33l]

The 3GS is not. Which is what we were talking about. The 500,000,000 figure is not all flagship phones either. That was my point.

Even Apple users would consider the 3GS a junk phone.

The 3GS is a flagship device. It's also a flagship device from 2009. That's beyond ancient in the tech world.

 

[pappy53]

Because it is a myth that it is predominantly low end models. Especially in the US.

How is it a myth, when you state a source that says 66% is low-end? That is predominately low-end.


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[z33dev33l]

I just can't understand why you're not okay with low end dominating your OS. Windows Phone is predominately the Lumia 52x series and that's awesome. Then I suppose low end Android and low end Windows Phone are two very different experiences.

 

[A895]

I just can't understand why you're not okay with low end dominating your OS. Windows Phone is predominately the Lumia 52x series and that's awesome. Then I suppose low end Android and low end Windows Phone are two very different experiences.

Well I guess it is good that more than a quarter of all Android devices are high end which is more than I can say for WP, which struggles on the high end. Android high end numbers can only increase, can't say the same for WP.

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[z33dev33l]

Well I guess it is good that more than a quarter of all Android devices are high end which is more than I can say for WP, which struggles on the high end. Android high end numbers can only increase, can't say the same for WP.

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I'm not even certain I'd say it was a quarter. That $215 price point still leaves a $215-$499 price point that most junk phones fall into... I mean, the only high end you have in there are your Nexus devices.

 

[A895]

I'm not even certain I'd say it was a quarter. That $215 price point still leaves a $215-$499 price point that most junk phones fall into... I mean, the only high end you have in there are your Nexus devices.

Wrong. But ok.

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[pappy53]

I'm not even certain I'd say it was a quarter.

Agreed.

 

[z33dev33l]

Wrong. But ok.

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In accordance with JeffDenver's earlier approach as to what high end was, that's actually right.

 

[JeffDenver]

If you want to count android tablets , apples figure increases to 800 million devices.

Fair is fair.

How did you determine the figure included tablets?

Android has already passes iOS on tablet Marketshare as well...yet another thing Apple people said would never happen. The impossible seems to be becoming commonplace heh heh.

 

[A895]

In accordance with JeffDenver's earlier approach as to what high end was, that's actually right.

So the only phones that you consider high end are the Nexus devices? There is more than those devices in the $215-$500 range.

 

[pappy53]

How did you determine the figure included tablets?

Android has already passes iOS on tablet Marketshare as well...yet another thing Apple people said would never happen. The impossible seems to be becoming commonplace heh heh.

But the phones are predominantly low-end, according to your source.

 

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[JeffDenver]

But the phones are predominantly low-end, according to your source.

The question you should be asking yourself is why most people do not seem to think Apple products are worth what Apple is asking for them. Cheap Android products did not used to outsell Apple products...what changed?

 

[pappy53]

The question you should be asking yourself is why most people do not seem to think Apple products are worth what Apple is asking for them. Cheap Android products did not used to outsell Apple products...what changed?

I guess it may be that the majority have never tried Apple, plus they don't have a cheap phone to compete with some of the Android mess that is out there. I read somewhere that Apple has the biggest share of the "premium" market (over $500), but no share of the "not premium" market. Apple just got into China recently, and they already have an 80% share of the $500 and up phones in China.

But as to my statement, it certainly looks like Android sales are driven by non high-end phones.

 

[JeffDenver]

I'm not even certain I'd say it was a quarter. That $215 price point still leaves a $215-$499 price point that most junk phones fall into... I mean, the only high end you have in there are your Nexus devices.

Can you give me an example of phones in that price range you consider junk phones?

Moto X, OnePlus, and Nexus are in that range. The G2 is now as well.

 

[JeffDenver]

I guess it may be that the majority have never tried Apple

Yeah, who has ever heard of Apple? They don't advertise at all.

plus they don't have a cheap phone to compete with some of the Android mess that is out there.

They have phones in the same price ranges as all the non-junk Android phones.

IPhone 4 $180 - Amazon.com: Apple iPhone 4 16GB (Black) - CDMA Verizon: Cell Phones & Accessories
iPhone 4S $293 - Amazon.com: Apple iPhone 4S 16GB (White) - Verizon: Cell Phones & Accessories

Why would people want an Android phone if they could have an iPhone instead? You tell me.

I read somewhere that Apple has the biggest share of the "premium" market (over $400), but no share of the "not premium" market.

"Somewhere" huh?

But as to my statement, it certainly looks like Android sales are driven by non high-end phones.

I guess that depends on what you consider high end. What are the biggest selling Android phones?

 

[pappy53]

Why would people want an Android phone if they could have an iPhone instead? You tell me.

I imagine that people don't really want a 3-4 year old phone.

I guess that depends on what you consider high end. What are the biggest selling Android phones?

I don't know about individual phones, but as a group it would be the low and mid tier. Even your source said that 66% were low-end. I actually believe it to be higher that that, probably around 85%.