HTC One (M8) camera discussion

[Skyway]

You're most welcome. Anytime.


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I was being completely sincere when I said that, I meant no disrespect. Everyone has the right to make their own opinion and that's what forums like this are all about

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[adriandb]

Re: Share your HTC One (M8) photos, videos, and camera thoughts!

This is bordering on hilarious. That's a tough shot to get, depending in the lighting in the gym of course, with a real DSLR without $1000's of dollars in glass.

Seriously? Taking a picture of a 4 year old standing next to a soccer ball 20 yards away should be a difficult shot? My wife's 5s did a great job. Another dad there with a Note 3 seemed to be getting decent pictures, though I couldn't really see them in any detail.

I've posted enough for you to think about. Ignore it if you want.

It's nothing new. Again, maybe more MP aren't the answer, but the camera isn't a good one. It doesn't capture enough detail and zooming or cropping produces soft images. More MP may be a solution to those issue, maybe there are other ways too.

Seeing as how I own both devices, the camera is definitely a huge improvement.

Good to hear. Most of the reviews are touting other features of the camera, but aren't saying that the image quality is greatly improved. Maybe it's too early to tell.

 

[Skyway]

Seriously? Taking a picture of a 4 year old standing next to a soccer ball 20 yards away should be a difficult shot? My wife's 5s did a great job. Another dad there with a Note 3 seemed to be getting decent pictures, though I couldn't really see them in any detail.

Your also using last year's one, not the m8. The m8 would have done a better job.

It's nothing new. Again, maybe more MP aren't the answer, but the camera isn't a good one. It doesn't capture enough detail and zooming or cropping produces soft images. More MP may be a solution to those issue, maybe there are other ways too.

Once again, your experiences are with the m7, not the m8.

Good to hear. Most of the reviews are touting other features of the camera, but aren't saying that the image quality is greatly improved. Maybe it's too early to tell.

Most reviews are either bias or subjective. Honestly everyone's opinion is subjective.

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[Zod1010]

I wonder if this has been a 12MP camera, but yielded the exact same picture quality, if there would be this much heated debate over it.

 

[Skyway]

I wonder if this has been a 12MP camera, but yielded the exact same picture quality, if there would be this much heated debate over it.

Most likely not, people see a number and that's what they base their opinion on. That or they read a review and say "well this site said it was bad so it must be bad"


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[adriandb]

Your also using last year's one, not the m8. The m8 would have done a better job.

Totally valid. I'll keep watching the picture thread and following the reviews. Can you explain why any review would be biased?

I wonder if this has been a 12MP camera, but yielded the exact same picture quality, if there would be this much heated debate over it.

I don't see why not. If the image quality wasn't any better and the images were just chewing up more space on your storage I think people would be even more pissed.

 

[cdaq]

Re: Share your HTC One (M8) photos, videos, and camera thoughts!

Seriously? Taking a picture of a 4 year old standing next to a soccer ball 20 yards away should be a difficult shot? My wife's 5s did a great job. Another dad there with a Note 3 seemed to be getting decent pictures, though I couldn't really see them in any detail.

You said zoom in on your kid across a basketball court. And I'm telling you that in most low light gym conditions, that is a tough shot. If you do get a decently exposed image it better not be moving because the sloooow shutter speed required to gather enough light for those tiiiiiny pixels will need to be loooong and your image WILL be bluuuurrrry if there's any movement at all. This is true for every camera but I'm sure you know all this. The only thing that matters is the number of pixels, right?

 

[adriandb]

Re: Share your HTC One (M8) photos, videos, and camera thoughts!

You said zoom in on your kid across a basketball court. And I'm telling you that in most low light gym conditions, that is a tough shot.

I'm telling you that my wife got great pics and it appeared that others were as well. Mine are all soft, you simply can't zoom and get a well focused shot with the M7 camera. I also wouldn't say it was low light, it was probably better lit than most other indoor settings.

Why do you keep harping on pixel count? I've repeatedly said that more MP may not be the answer, but whatever the answer is, it doesn't seem like HTC found it.

 

[Skyway]

Totally valid. I'll keep watching the picture thread and following the reviews. Can you explain why any review would be biased?

Well let's see here, if a Windows phone site does a review with a Windows phone then they are more likely to favor their "own" phone, whether it's intentional or not. Same goes for any site. The fact is the reviewers have opinions and sometimes they get in the way. This isn't true for every review but in the end these are people stating their own opinions based off the information they've gathered. There's always gonna be some bias with opinions

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[Zod1010]

I don't see why not. If the image quality wasn't any better and the images were just chewing up more space on your storage I think people would be even more pissed.

Perhaps. But as I noted earlier, there have been more than a few critical reviews that place this camera on par with the iPhone 5. And despite the iPhone 5 camera being the gold standard, we have a rapidly growing, often contentious, 13 page thread on the topic. I can't help but wonder how much of the frustration directed at HTC for staying the course with the ultrapixel technology is based solely on the perceived value on MPs.

My wife just one a few days ago. And admittedly, I've only snapped a few shots with it. I'm definitely going to take some comparison shots (against my S4) with it tonight and see if I can see a difference.

 

[Haalcyon]

Perhaps. But as I noted earlier, there have been more than a few critical reviews that place this camera on par with the iPhone 5. And despite the iPhone 5 camera being the gold standard, we have a rapidly growing, often contentious, 13 page thread on the topic. I can't help but wonder how much of the frustration directed at HTC for staying the course with the ultrapixel technology is based solely on the perceived value on MPs.

My wife just one a few days ago. And admittedly, I've only snapped a few shots with it. I'm definitely going to take some comparison shots (against my S4) with it tonight and see if I can see a difference.

In HTC's marketing have they touted that their 4MP UltraPixel sensor produces images as good or better than their competitor's 8MP+ sensors? Perhaps they should of put their camera in that kind of context to sooth those few people for which MP really counts.


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[iNiREALiZED]

I like the new camera features. I mainly use my phone for snapshots and social sharing. I would never use any phone camera for print in any situation. I just snapped photo of my nephew in very poor pre sunrise light and spent about 30 seconds messing around in the UI editing. Pretty decent results.

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[madlaw1071]

Perhaps. But as I noted earlier, there have been more than a few critical reviews that place this camera on par with the iPhone 5. And despite the iPhone 5 camera being the gold standard, we have a rapidly growing, often contentious, 13 page thread on the topic. I can't help but wonder how much of the frustration directed at HTC for staying the course with the ultrapixel technology is based solely on the perceived value on MPs.

My wife just one a few days ago. And admittedly, I've only snapped a few shots with it. I'm definitely going to take some comparison shots (against my S4) with it tonight and see if I can see a difference.

Please post some links the show the M8 camera tied or ahead of the 5s. Here is a link which shows a head to head match up and the m8 unfortunately doesn't fare too well against last years iPhone.

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/HTC-One-M8-vs-Apple-iPhone-5s_id3624/page/3

 

[Haalcyon]

Please post some links the show the M8 camera tied or ahead of the 5s. Here is a link which shows a head to head match up and the m8 unfortunately doesn't fare too well against last years iPhone.

The link didn't come through. :-(


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[Skyway]

Please post some links the show the M8 camera tied or ahead of the 5s. Here is a link which shows a head to head match up and the m8 unfortunately doesn't fare too well against last years iPhone.

http://btekt.com/comparisons/394/ca...tc-one-iphone-5s-lumia-1020-xperia-z1-compact

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[el3ctronics]

I would never use any phone camera for print in any situation.

Calling BS on this one. If your phone camera took pics good enough to print then guess what!? You'd print them! If you own and HTC One M8, your phone is simply incapable of producing printable quality images and that's the reason you're not printing them.

 

[cdaq]

Please post some links the show the M8 camera tied or ahead of the 5s. Here is a link which shows a head to head match up and the m8 unfortunately doesn't fare too well against last years iPhone.

Well the M8 has a faster aperture (f2.0 - f2.2) and larger pixels (2 microns-1.5 microns). All things being equal the M8 would preform better except for situations when a major crop is needed. Of course all things are not equal. Lens systems and image capture software play a major role.

 

[madlaw1071]

Well the M8 has a faster aperture (f2.0 - f2.2) and larger pixels (2 microns-1.5 microns). All things being equal the M8 would preform better except for situations when a major crop is needed. Of course all things are not equal. Lens systems and image capture software play a major role.

It will lose out in picture detail with or without crop. Every professional review shows this.

 

[cdaq]

Calling BS on this one. If your phone camera took pics good enough to print then guess what!? You'd print them! If you own and HTC One M8, your phone is simply incapable of producing printable quality images and that's the reason you're not printing them.

I'm calling BS on your BS. I do have a quality Canon DSLR which I use for any serious camera work. But I never make prints. By your logic my Canon is just not good enough for prints.

 

[cdaq]

It will lose out in picture detail with or without crop. Every professional review shows this.

You're wrong.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/08/technology/08pogue.html?pagewanted=all

The Megapixel Myth

But why let professionals in the field get in the way of your imagined expertise?