HTC One (M8) camera discussion

[cdaq]

Lol. No one is tucking and running buddy. 100 pictures. Wow. What a pro.

Those issues exist, do you know what Exif data is. Go take some pictures and examine that instead of mouthing off to me about stuff you're clearly clueless about.

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100 pictures in about a week, never claimed to be a pro though. I do however understand the basic tenants of photography unlike some here though.

Yes I know what exif data is and no I haven't bothered to look at it. No reason to as my pictures have been exposed properly. Is that clear enough? Do you understand why I don't need to look at the exif?
Look, all you did was make a bunch of hand waving generalities. I have both cameras in my hand right now. Maybe the sample size is too small, but if the software screws the pooch once every 100 pics, I think I'll be ok. And I still have a better camera for when the image is processed correctly, which is all the time in my experience.

 

[iN8ter]

100 pictures in about a week, never claimed to be a pro though. I do however understand the basic tenants of photography unlike some here though.

Yes I know what exif data is and no I haven't bothered to look at it. No reason to as my pictures have been exposed properly. Is that clear enough? Do you understand why I don't need to look at the exif?
Look, all you did was make a bunch of hand waving generalities. I have both cameras in my hand right now. Maybe the sample size is too small, but if the software screws the pooch once every 100 pics, I think I'll be ok. And I still have a better camera for when the image is processed correctly, which is all the time in my experience.

No, what you did was make statements and position them as fact when you don't have a clue what the camera is actually doing to the pictures. You have no clue that even in the brightest of daylight the camera will often take photos at i.e. ISO 125 instead of ISO 100 and you have no clue that sometimes when you try to force it to ISO 100 the camera will ignore the setting and still use a higher ISO. HTC's camera software/FW is retarded, and it's been that way for a while. On what planet should an HTC One [ or M8] need to use a higher ISO than a Galaxy S4 or Note 3 to get a worse image with its camera setup? Earth, apparently...

The camera still has issues with high contrast areas and purple fringing.

It will never resolve detail as good as an iPhone because its resolution simply does not allow for it to do that. This is very evident when you take photos of things more than a couple feet away from you. The iPhone will almost always throw out a much more detailed image unless it simply couldn't GET an image at all (way too dark and no flash, etc.). If you never crop, you may never care about this. Others, however, do - which is why people have harped on the resolution so much.

I'm not to keep repeating myself. Most of this stuff is well documented and it doesn't take 100 photos in a week to see obvious issues with this phone's camera.

All camera phones have issues. It's just a matter of which compromises the user is willing to make for it when looking at the total package.

I guarantee you there is no situation outside of near darkness where you cannot just point and snap an iPhone 5S photo on Auto, resize it to 4MP, and end up with a better image than what comes out of the M8. The iPhone's camera is better, and the iPhone's camera software blows the M8's away. Maybe a 3rd party camera app can remedy some minor issues with the camera software, but it sort of defeats the purpose for a lot of things as well. The iPhone does not sell itself on camera software features like HTC and Samsung. It's all about the performance of the camera itself. It is not the best thing since sliced bread, but it's extremely good and it's extremely consistent in its performance - which is why it is so highly regarded.

Sony and Nokia make better camera phones than all three of Samsung, Apple, and HTC.

 

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I can't speak to the m8, but the m7 did have some issues with curious iso/shutter speeds in bright light in the initial software. Subsequent updates seem to have straightened that out to some extent.

I will note that in comparing my m7 indoor/evening shots to my brother and father in-laws iphone 5s, the m7 takes better pictures (less noise/sharper).

 

[iN8ter]

Yeah I'm looking at exit right now.

The iPhone was using iso 125 for indoor shots in the mall, after sunset. Galaxy S4 used ISO 100 in literally same setting.

There are a ton of Auto shots on Flickr where the M8 used equivalent ISO in broad daylight outdoors on a sunny day.

I have Note 3 pictures from Burger King. The phone used ISO 50 and 64.

It's either a FW or a camera software issue.

UltraPixel camera should be able to get similar photos at lower ISO due to better light sensitivity in the Optics.

Example (cropped cause face etc):

Not exactly the brightest conditions but the ISO is kept pretty much at base.

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[cdaq]

Yeah I'm looking at exit right now.

The iPhone was using iso 125 for indoor shots in the mall, after sunset.

There are a ton of Auto shots on Flickr where the M8 used equivalent ISO in broad daylight outdoors on a sunny day.

I have Note 3 pictures from Burger King. The phone used ISO 50 and 64.

It's either a FW or a camera software issue.

UltraPixel camera should be able to get similar photos at lower ISO due to better light sensitivity in the Optics.

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You just can't say that, you don't have all the information. Maybe HTC is minimizing shutter speed? The goal is almost NEVER to just blindly use the lowest ISO possible, that would be "retarded". BTW, I would not be concerned with a difference in noise between ISO 100 and 125 anyway...

 

[SCjRqrQCnBQ19QoYCtdl]

An example of a shot only the HTC can do (at least m7 with OIS can do). The exif reads 1/7 sec at ISO 1922. This was almost a dark room with some light from a doorway behind. Using an iPhone, SG5, G2 this would have been a complete darkness in the foreground.

 

[iN8ter]

You just can't say that, you don't have all the information. Maybe HTC is minimizing shutter speed? The goal is almost NEVER to just blindly use the lowest ISO possible, that would be "retarded". BTW, I would not be concerned with a difference in noise between ISO 100 and 125 anyway...

Were comparing different phones. 25 ISO isn't that much. 75 can affect details especially when you crop.

S4:

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[SCjRqrQCnBQ19QoYCtdl]

Yeah I'm looking at exit right now.

The iPhone was using iso 125 for indoor shots in the mall, after sunset. Galaxy S4 used ISO 100 in literally same setting.

There are a ton of Auto shots on Flickr where the M8 used equivalent ISO in broad daylight outdoors on a sunny day.

I have Note 3 pictures from Burger King. The phone used ISO 50 and 64.

It's either a FW or a camera software issue.

UltraPixel camera should be able to get similar photos at lower ISO due to better light sensitivity in the Optics.

Example (cropped cause face etc):

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/19/ameby4e2.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/19/6enymeby.jpg

Not exactly the brightest conditions but the ISO is kept pretty much at base.

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Not sure what you are saying here, it isn't quite clear. Also, referring to pictures without links is not helpful to understanding. Are you saying that M8 used iso 125/100/50 or 64 in broad daylight? Not sure what the base ISO for the M8 is, but it may be that it is 100 and that gives the best results.

In my experience the m7 typically shot at around 100 for shots that had adequate light.

 

[iN8ter]

Not sure what you are saying here, it isn't quite clear. Also, referring to pictures without links is not helpful to understanding. Are you saying that M8 used iso 125/100/50 or 64 in broad daylight? Not sure what the base ISO for the M8 is, but it may be that it is 100 and that gives the best results.

In my experience the m7 typically shot at around 100 for shots that had adequate light.

https://flic.kr/p/mubwKo
https://flic.kr/p/mubvse

Yes. Broad daylight.

I'm saying the M8 is using higher ISOs in broad daylight than the iPhone S4 or Note 3 use indoors under artificial light or lights from windows.

Which makes no sense to me

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[SCjRqrQCnBQ19QoYCtdl]

Were comparing different phones. 25 ISO isn't that much. 75 can affect details especially when you crop.

S4:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/19/ydutaza5.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/19/mu5u2umy.jpg

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That shot has noise, motion blur and blown highlights. What are you trying to indicate by showing it?

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https://flic.kr/p/mubwKo

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Private photo

 

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https://flic.kr/p/mubwKo
https://flic.kr/p/mubvse

Yes. Broad daylight.

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First is private

Second says 125 iso. Perhaps the base iso is 125, or perhaps the phone will use 125 outdoors to ensure that movement is not a factor in the pics. I don't know. Nothing wrong with 125 iso. I think Nikon base iso is 200.

 

[iN8ter]

That shot has noise, motion blur and blown highlights. What are you trying to indicate by showing it?

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Private photo

That the ISO is lower. I didn't shoot it to get a great shot. I shot it when I was trialing phones. I went to different places to snap pictures and test how the camera software handled different lighting. That isn't even my phone. It's a friend's. Probably had prints on the lens too. Didn't care. Wasn't the point.

Galaxy S3. Outdoors in shade.

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https://flic.kr/p/mubwKo
https://flic.kr/p/mubvse


I'm saying the M8 is using higher ISOs in broad daylight than the iPhone S4 or Note 3 use indoors under artificial light or lights from windows.

Which makes no sense to me

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Well, part of it is that bigger pixels are more tolerent to noise than smaller pixels. Therefore, they can afford a boost to the iso without inducing noise. Why the s4 and Note 3 use such a low iso in low light is more puzzling and seems like a bad choice.

 

[SCjRqrQCnBQ19QoYCtdl]

That the ISO is lower. I didn't shoot it to get a great shot. I shot it when I was trialing phones. I went to different places to snap pictures and test how the camera software handled different lighting. That isn't even my phone. It's a friend's. Probably had prints on the lens too. Didn't care. Wasn't the point.

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Well, obviously, if that phone had used a higher ISO, they may have fixed their problem with motion blur, but the noise would have been worse, and it wouldn't likely help the blown highlights.

 

[iN8ter]

First is private

Second says 125 iso. Perhaps the base iso is 125, or perhaps the phone will use 125 outdoors to ensure that movement is not a factor in the pics. I don't know. Nothing wrong with 125 iso. I think Nikon base iso is 200.

Nixon is not a camera phone.

Apparently HTC found some amazing trick that no other smartphone manufacturer is using in their phones. That must be it.

Or maybe they need to improve their camera software.

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[cdaq]

Well, part of it is that bigger pixels are more tolerent to noise than smaller pixels. Therefore, they can afford a boost to the iso without inducing noise. Why the s4 and Note 3 use such a low iso in low light is more puzzling and seems like a bad choice.

Very true! Seems like this would cause a lot of blurry pictures as the camera must use a longer exposure time. Or you just get a black picture.

 

[iN8ter]

Well, part of it is that bigger pixels are more tolerent to noise than smaller pixels. Therefore, they can afford a boost to the iso without inducing noise. Why the s4 and Note 3 use such a low iso in low light is more puzzling and seems like a bad choice.

No. The pictures are amazing when you aren't juggling a phone with a smart cover + another one in your hands taking pictures lol

That S3 picture the original that I posted crops of here. It's amazing quality with 80 I SO taken in the shade. You can clearly see the pattern on the shirt if you crop into it

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Galaxy S3. Outdoors in shade.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/19/enaqyvur.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/19/yvuqusy9.jpg

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Doesn't matter. We are talking about different sensors and maybe the samsung is base 80 or something.

Still, the water in the gravel in teh background is blown.

 

[iN8ter]

Doesn't matter. We are talking about different sensors and maybe the samsung is base 80 or something.

Still, the water in the gravel in teh background is blown.

It's an S3... From 2012... and the Ultra pixel is renown for blowing out highlights so we don't wanna go there.

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[cdaq]

Nixon is not a camera phone.

Apparently HTC found some amazing trick that no other smartphone manufacturer is using in their phones. That must be it.

Or maybe they need to improve their camera software.

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You're looking the fool here. I've seen complaints about low pixel count and blown out highlights outdoors but I haven't heard anyone, except you, complaining about noise. Whatever ISO my M8 is choosing, my pics are coming out good. I've not had any noise or purple fringing problems. I guess in the end that's all that matters.