Huawei Nexus SD810 is a DEAL BREAKER for me

[getbretweir]

Well by now you guys have seen it.

Google chose to go the cheap route and roll with the 810 as expected. If the benchmarks prove to be accurate, due to the known heating issue, it's being throttled down at the expense of severe performance.

This has been a disappointing year to say the least, and instead of OEMs absorbing the hit, they've chosen to buy the 810 I'm sure at significant discounts at our expense.

That just doesn't fly with me, and while I'll wait for an official announcement, this is a rumors thread, so I'll assume it's true until proven otherwise.

2015 has been a miserable year plagued by horrific battery life, and even worse chip performance. Disappointing because so many phones had so much potential.

The M9 's design, S6's battery, G4's software, Moto Pure not going with the larger battery like the Play for whatever reason, OP2 and their lack of NFC/Quick Charge and invite system. Right now, the Note 5 and Edge+ are all I'd consider, but I just don't want TW. I know it's improved but I've been on it long enough and prefer stock.

Hopefully, 2016 will be a better year, and again, I'll reserve judgment before officially throwing in the towel, but I gotta admit, this isn't looking good. There's bad, then there's awful, and those benchmarks are downright horrific.

 

[Golfdriver97]

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I think the SD 820 is supposed to be released early '16.

 

[Runningwarrior08]

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Look at the 810 in the Z5. Dual heat pipe designed removed all overheating. Huawei could have done the same thing easily. Don't knock it until its out there with reviews.

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[jdot104]

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I really don't think the 810 is as big a deal as the community has been making it. It performs fine on the OnePlus 2 and doesn't have any significant overheating problems. I have faith that Google and Huawei will work out a way to use the 810 and give us a snappy performance. If the OnePlus can run it well with extra software, stock Android shouldn't have any issues.

 

[imnotevenhererightnow]

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I'm not really sure what anyone was hoping for. Short of being able to use an Exynos chip in a handset, pretty much any 2015 "flagship" was always going to be using the SD810 (if for no other reason than to pad margins, since performance is basically on par with the SD808).

That really just means that 2015 is a rather flat year for performance gains (with Samsung, and possibly Apple, being the exception). If you want a flagship experience your options are to buy Samsung, or wait until 2016. That's it.

Personally, however, I would argue that the SD808 (and the handsets using it) is a perfectly fine flagship SoC for anyone who isn't focused on gaming/graphics. That would mean that devices like Nexus 5X, Moto X Pure, LG G4, etc. are going to be great experiences for all but the most demanding users.

 

[getbretweir]

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Look at the 810 in the Z5. Dual heat pipe designed removed all overheating. Huawei could have done the same thing easily. Don't knock it until its out there with reviews.

Posted via the Android Central App

Don't knock it??? Why not? first of all this is a rumors thread, so it goes without saying that nothing is official until it's official. but what's wrong with a little speculating? I'd love to be wrong, I think we all would. but I'm not just gonna ignore what's being reported and pray Hauwei magically installs some heat pipe system at the last minute.

 

[getbretweir]

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I think the SD 820 is supposed to be released early '16.

first half 2016 according the Qualcomm's press release today .... unfortunately the Nexus will be released before then, so there a good chance we're stuck with the 810.

I'll pass

 

[LeoRex]

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I am going to reserve judgement until the phone is released and people actually get a chance to run it through its paces. There were two mini-generations of phones that had the 810.. and the second did show an improvement over the first. Some 9 months later, who knows?

 

[getbretweir]

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I really don't think the 810 is as big a deal as the community has been making it. It performs fine on the OnePlus 2 and doesn't have any significant overheating problems. I have faith that Google and Huawei will work out a way to use the 810 and give us a snappy performance. If the OnePlus can run it well with extra software, stock Android shouldn't have any issues.

did u see the benchmark results?

 

[getbretweir]

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I'm not really sure what anyone was hoping for. Short of being able to use an Exynos chip in a handset, pretty much any 2015 "flagship" was always going to be using the SD810 (if for no other reason than to pad margins, since performance is basically on par with the SD808).

That really just means that 2015 is a rather flat year for performance gains (with Samsung, and possibly Apple, being the exception). If you want a flagship experience your options are to buy Samsung, or wait until 2016. That's it.

Personally, however, I would argue that the SD808 (and the handsets using it) is a perfectly fine flagship SoC for anyone who isn't focused on gaming/graphics. That would mean that devices like Nexus 5X, Moto X Pure, LG G4, etc. are going to be great experiences for all but the most demanding users.

personally I wasn't expecting anything other than the 810, but I was surprised with the benchmarks. I mean, they're horrific. given the results, Google could have chosen to go with Hauwei's own Kirin's chip. maybe they still will, who knows. I doubt it though.

 

[LeoRex]

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did u see the benchmark results?

Well, take with a grain of salt.... I mean, they may not be high, but that doesn't mean the phone will be slow and there is more to a phone than BM numbers on the SoC. Even if its an 810, it'll be plenty quick. If its effectively about as fast as my Nexus 6... is that really a bad thing? It'll have other things going for it.

In full disclosure, I most likely won't be getting rid of my N6 for either new one... but 'disappointing' benchmarks is not the reason why. No matter what is in there, I would need a compelling reason to get rid of my Nexus 6, which I don't. But if I did get one, I am fairly certain it will run pretty well, like any Nexus does.

 

[getbretweir]

I am going to reserve judgement until the phone is released and people actually get a chance to run it through its paces. There were two mini-generations of phones that had the 810.. and the second did show an improvement over the first. Some 9 months later, who knows?

that's fair, and ultimately I'll do the same.

this is obviously speculation and a rumor thread so kinda just rolling with the theme for the point of discussion. a rumor thread wouldn't be very entertaining if everybody was rational!!

I'd love to have seen them go with the Kirin, but it is what it is. the benchmarks were excessively disappointing though, but yeah, ultimately I'll wait and see

 

[djkleric]

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can you link the benchmark please?

 

[jdot104]

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did u see the benchmark results?

I did, and I'm not that put off by them. I've never been concerned with benchmark scores. And at least for me, I'm still sure it will run as smooth as any other flagship. The 810 is way more powerful than the 800 my N5 is running, and Marshmallow is a breeze.

 

[Kaido]

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can you link the benchmark please?

http://forums.androidcentral.com/ne...-op-rumors-leaks-compilation.html#post4602742

Check the first post and see under Sept. 14.

 

[Kaido]

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I did, and I'm not that put off by them. I've never been concerned with benchmark scores. And at least for me, I'm still sure it will run as smooth as any other flagship. The 810 is way more powerful than the 800 my N5 is running, and Marshmallow is a breeze.

Exactly. If the Nexus 5 could still run day-to-day tasks smoothly on its 800, then I don't see why there are any complaints for the 810. Sure it might throttle but the performance of the device should still be top notch on a skinless, bloat free, and up-to-date Android 6.0.

Google/Huawei didn't skimp out on the processor because the 810 is the best Qualcomm has to offer this year. 820 will be > 810, but honestly how much of a difference will you notice when you're running stock android in the first place?

 

[bunique4life05]

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I happy with 810 the issue can not be still present if Manufactors are still using them. If they lowered clock speed to remedy issue I am fine. Since we hit the 800 series processors are so fast. That if you don't do benchmarks and side by side comparison you would be able to tell the difference. I am still rocking Nexus 5 with 800. 800 to 810 are all great chips in my opinion.

Battery and design matter to me the speed at this point will always be their.

 

[adamgalas1]

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Two points.

First 2016 can't help but be much better than 2015 because how could it possibly be worse?

Second, blame Qualcomm for 2015 sacking, the 810 was a rushed design that can't surpassed the 805 and offers nothing superior except 64 bit processing.

Honestly nexus should have sick with 805 processor this year and passed on the savings to customers.

As to whether the 820 will actually be better than 810 early indications are it is the baddest soc around.

Quad customer core design built on 14 nm architecture, artificial intelligence capabilites and several other advances should really make the 820 a fantastic chip.

Now will we notice the difference in anything but benchmarks?

Depends. If you are a heavy 3d game then yes you will, due to superior gpu and lack of throttling.

Everyone else? Maybe not because stock Android is already super light weight and at this point running buttery smooth on anything SD 800 or newer.

It's like super cars.

Sd800 was like a Porsche that could do 0-60 in 4 seconds. At the time hailed as a breakthrough.

801 was like a Lamborghini that could do 0-60 in. 3.6 seconds, even better but can the passenger really tell the difference?

805 was like a Ferrari that does 0-60 in 3.3 seconds and at this point is all about being rights.

810 is like the tesla s p90d with ludicrous mode 0-60 in 2.8 seconds and people care only because it's an electric sedan that can smoke a Ferrari and Lamborghini.

820 is going to be like bugatti that does 0-60 in 2.5 seconds and while yes that is technically faster than all the other cars it doesn't really make the experience better.

830 will be like the Porsche 911 gt that can pull 0-60 in 2.2 seconds, the fastest time ever recorded in any production car. Again technically much better than the earlier Porsche, in fact acceleration is twice as fast, but do we really need it?

840 will be based on 10 nm architecture and will blow us all away like a car that breaks the 2 second 0-60 barrier.

My point is why do nexus fans care about which chips we get? Because stock Android is the cleanest and fastest os you can get on Android by definition.

It's the sports car of the Android world. It's about purity of experience, about speed, performance.

To phone users that means, if you turn on developer options and turn off animations, that your phone will instantly do anything you ask.

Apps, functions, ok Google commands, all fly open faster and faster each year.

By 2020 well have 7nm soc chips that will be seeing an tutu benchmarks of over 150,000 and Android 10.0 Q and likely running 16 cores on 8 gb of ram.

The difference won't be noticeable from year to year because literally it will be your app opening 0.1 seconds faster each year.

But if you are like me and own your nexus until it falls apart then after 3 or 4 years that difference will be biweekly noticeable, 0.4 seconds faster in everything your phone does and literally the ability to run ever app at once without laggin.

Bottom line is that you get a nexus because you want the tesla of Android phones. The very daystar and the very best.

Will the 820 mean that a sd800 phone sucks? Of course not.

But it's still worth saving your money for years and salivating over the prospect of what the next latest and greatest will look like in a few years.

Personally in excited to see what 2017 will bring because that marks the 10 year anniversary of the Iphone.

We will be able to compare the iPhone against something like the note 7 and see how far phone tech had advanced in a decade.

What will the nexus look like in 2017 with its sd830 chip? 4 maybe 5 gb of ram, hopefully 128 gb of memory or even 256 gb memory option, and inevitable a 4k screen?

I don't know but I'm sure we'll be amazed and I look forward to eating many hours speculating and ranting in these boards, because that's what we do, we fan boys

 

[Kaido]

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Wow, I wish the Gizmochina rumor of the 620 powering the 5X somehow becomes reality.

 

[getbretweir]

Exactly. If the Nexus 5 could still run day-to-day tasks smoothly on its 800, then I don't see why there are any complaints for the 810. Sure it might throttle but the performance of the device should still be top notch on a skinless, bloat free, and up-to-date Android 6.0.

Google/Huawei didn't skimp out on the processor because the 810 is the best Qualcomm has to offer this year. 820 will be > 810, but honestly how much of a difference will you notice when you're running stock android in the first place?

I definitely agree with your last statement. How much we'll notice will remain to be seen? I suspect the difference will be limited to spec tests, not real life results, which will ultimately be the determining factor. It is worth keeping an eye on though, and I'll certainly be watching very closely.

As far as the complains, I think they're warranted and I definitely think Google skimped on the 810. Using the Kirin or Exynos, however unrealistic that might be, would've meant no throttling, thus faster performance and a better overall experience. OEMs have chosen the 810 because they feel they can get away with it, and Qualcomm is practically giving them away. In other words they're knowingly using an inferior product due to cost. That's the very definition of skimping out.

And I think people are concerned not that the phone is gonna overheat and blow up in their hands, but simply the fact that their not getting what they're paying for. It would be like buying a Porsche that can't go faster than 80MPH. Think about that, do you need our would you go faster? I wouldn't. But I'd also have a major problem with the limitations and it would affect my opinion.

Ultimately, it'll come down to real life performance, and I'll compare it to the Nexus 6, which for $350 might be a better deal unless a fingerprint sensor is that important to you.

Personally, battery and stock have always been my biggest two priorities. Google gets me close to 6 hours SOT, I'm most likely in. Anything short of that, like the Moto Pure only getting 3-3.5 hours SOT out of the box (disclaimer: from what I've read, haven't used one myself) and I'll stick with my Nexus 6, possibly choose the LG Nexus as a secondary work device, or just patiently wait for 2016.