I got an Android, but want to go back to the iPhone. Why is this?

[JeffDenver]

Jeff, I get that you don't like and don't choose Apple. That's fair. However, because you don't like their model or products doesn't mean their model or products are objectively flawed

I disagree. I do not think all products are exactly equal. Certainly not objectively.

That is true with anything, not just smartphones. If all cars were equal, all cars would be able to command the same prices. People are willing to pay more for certain cars.

Just because I don't sit here and write about android's flaws doesn't mean I don't believe it has many.

The fact that you cannot articulate them leads me to believe either it does not have very many flaws or that if it does you don't know about them.

I know its a forum and you enjoy writing about your opinions and preferences but keep in mind, while writing, that that is all they are...opinions and preferences.

That applies to everyone on here, not just me. And I think a lot of people on here forget that. I am entitled to an opinion exactly as much as you are.

I don't go around to anti-Android people on here telling them they should just be quiet. I explain to them why I think they're wrong, or I ignore them.

One could ask why is it that most android devices have to be rooted to yield this freedom that is so highly praised IN THE ANDROID COMMUNITY?

What freedom is that? Can you be specific?

All the things you need to jailbreak to get on iOS you can already get on Vanilla Android without rooting.

Why is that 'freedom' not available without capitalizing on a security exploit to root, that is often required?

- Being able to make any app the default for any action
- Being able to install apps from any source (and thus bypass vendor censorship)
- A real file system, and being able to move files around manually
- Remote app install
- Being able to use widgets or change the looks or functionality of the UI (Dialer, Launcher, ect)

I am sure there are others, but those come immediately to mind.

I just want some to recognize that what you're writing here is your impressions, opinions, and preferences. Nothing wrong with you preferring android. Your preference doesn't make it objectively better than iOS

When did I claim my opinions were objective? I don't get why me expressing personal opinions ticks so many people off...why am I not allowed to express technology opinions on a forum devoted to technology? You tell me.

You seem to want to express your own opinions without anyone being able to criticize them...I think that is unreasonable on a forum like this. No one is judging you. It is possible to point out flaws in iOS without judging you.

I write that because it APPEARS to be a recurring flavor to your posts, like above.

Maybe it has to do more with your own perception than with reality.

 

[Haalcyon]

I disagree. I do not think all products are exactly equal. Certainly not objectively.

That is true with anything, not just smartphones. If all cars were equal, all cars would be able to command the same prices. People are willing to pay more for certain cars.

When, before this, did we start talking about things being equal? You're stating the blindly obvious. Remember, I'd rather have the Acura TSX, not the the bigger, roomier, yet less expensive Ford Taurus.

The fact that you cannot articulate them leads me to believe either it does not have very many flaws or that if it does you don't know about them.

This sentence illustrates my point precisely. Because I don't think it was worth my time to articulate them doesn't mean I CAN'T articulate them. There's a distinct difference between the two.

What freedom is that? Can you be specific?

All the things you need to jailbreak to get on iOS you can already get on Vanilla Android without rooting.

I disagree. Change the font on your phone much? Change the look of your battery icon often? Samsung and LG support font changing without rooting because of their UI overlays, which many complain about. Stock android and other ROMS do not. You do have to change the ROM on an android device to change the battery icon. Perhaps now there's a tweak that does it without a new ROM with only root access.

- Being able to make any app the default for any action
- Being able to install apps from any source (and thus bypass vendor censorship)
- A real file system, and being able to move files around manually
- Remote app install
- Being able to use widgets or change the looks or functionality of the UI (Dialer, Launcher, ect)

I am sure there are others, but those come immediately to mind.

I think its safe to say that most non-enthusiast Android users couldn't care less about these. Everyone's not needing to dissect or molest their phone's OS, not that there's anything wrong with doing so if that's what floats thy boat.

When did I claim my opinions were objective? I don't get why me expressing personal opinions ticks so many people off...why am I not allowed to express technology opinions on a forum devoted to technology? You tell me.

IMO, the flavor of your posts are often written as if your opinion IS fact. When was the last time you wrote, in my opinion or IMO? That may have something to do with how what you've written is perceived. A simple forum etiquette that never hurts.

You seem to want to express your own opinions without anyone being able to criticize them...I think that is unreasonable on a forum like this. No one is judging you. It is possible to point out flaws in iOS without judging you.

I'm not sure what I've written that would give you that impression, but regardless, out of politeness, I apologize. I don't feel you're judging me and I hope I haven't written that I do.

Maybe it has to do more with your own perception than with reality.

While entirely possible I haven't seen any evidence to that effect.

I often don't respond because it takes time that is better spent, not because I have no response.

Some like to debate and "argue" in a forum, I do not. I don't think its worth my time so I often don't respond. The moderators here are androiders themselves and it was recently shown to me, by one, that the benefit of the doubt is NOT something that a non-androider, like myself, will always get. ...another reason I sometimes don't respond to posts or parts of posts that I otherwise might. Fair enough, it is an android forum.


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[JeffDenver]

You do have to change the ROM on an android device to change the battery icon. Perhaps now there's a tweak that does it without a new ROM with only root access.

Really?
https://forums.androidcentral.com/e...s?id=com.kovit.p.alwaysbattery&token=CikLmJhU or https://forums.androidcentral.com/e....ddo.shigadroid.batterychanger&token=hlfd61E1 - No root or ROM required.

And in any event, that is not something you can do on iOS anyway. At best it would have been an example of something neither OS could do stock.

I think its safe to say that most non-enthusiast Android users couldn't care less about these.

Why is that "safe to say"? It almost sounds as if you are projecting an opinion as fact. How come you are allowed to do that but I am not?

IMO, the flavor of your posts are often written as if your opinion IS fact.

Kinda like what you just did above? I've never projected my opinions as fact...when I claim something as fact I provide a source.

When was the last time you wrote, in my opinion or IMO?

You did not write "IMO" above either...why is that? Is it possible it is because it is implied?

Some like to debate and "argue" in a forum, I do not.

Then don't engage at all...you do not need to respond to every single post. You've seen how opinionated I am, and even I skip posts all the time.

But criticizing something you like is not the same thing as criticizing you. I don't have a blind hatred of iOS...when I criticize iOS I can explain in detail exactly why and provide sources. If you can't debate OS advantages and disadvantages on a forum like this, where exactly should we debate them?

 

[Haalcyon]

It would take a long time to respond on my phone Jeff to all that I don't agree with. An investment with no payoff. However, please don't take that as there being no valid response.


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[mrsmumbles]

It would take a long time to respond on my phone Jeff to all that I don't agree with. An investment with no payoff. However, please don't take that as there being no valid response.


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That's because you're typing on an iPhone.

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[Haalcyon]

That's because you're typing on an iPhone.

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That and I have a 4-year old who doesn't understand why Daddy needs to write a thesis every 5 minutes.


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[Ealevenish]

Originally Posted by Ealevenish
Sorry to burst your bubble, Jeff: they ARE outselling the iPhone by a wide margin! A superwide margin!
Android's worldwide marketshare is well over 70%, and growing. iOS' market share hovers around 20%, and is stable!

I was talking about sales of a specific model of phone, not OS sales.

FYI: Apple only has one specific model of phone worth mentioning, the 5S. The 5C doesn't sell at all. Apple is stuck with over 3 million unsold units of the 5C.

And in spite of that [America] is one of the largest markets in the world.

Sure.
Well after China, India, and the EU...

 

[mrsmumbles]

FYI: Apple only has one specific model of phone worth mentioning, the 5S. The 5C doesn't sell at all. Apple is stuck with over 3 million unsold units of the 5C.



Sure.
Well after China, India, and the EU...

Unless Apple reduces their prices drastically, those markets are not germane to a discussion of Icrap ownership.

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[JeffDenver]

It would take a long time to respond on my phone Jeff to all that I don't agree with. An investment with no payoff. However, please don't take that as there being no valid response.

All responses are valid when it comes to opinions.

But that applies to me as much as it does to you. It goes both ways.

 

[Ealevenish]

Unless Apple reduces their prices drastically, those markets are not germane to a discussion of Icrap ownership.

What do you think Apple is going to do with 3 million unsold 5C devices? Destroy them...?
Yeah, right!

 

[JeffDenver]

What do you think Apple is going to do with 3 million unsold 5C devices? Destroy them...?

Yeah, probably.

Apple is incredibly touchy about their premium branding. You will never see them discount their products unless the product is old or they are extremely desperate. And right now they are far from desperate.

Likely they will just hold on to any surplus for spare parts or warranty replacements. And keep selling them like they did their previous phone (lowering the price as they get older). And will eat the cost of whatever is left over. No way will you see them discount those phones in the near future.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

Unless Apple reduces their prices drastically, those markets are not germane to a discussion of Icrap ownership.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...-pre-orders-hit-1-million-as-cook-visits.html

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[mrsmumbles]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...-pre-orders-hit-1-million-as-cook-visits.html

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Probably most of those who can afford iPhones are involved in counterfeiting Note 3, Xiaomi, etc., and all other top phones, or who knows what else, at night. 1 million phones in China is seriously a drop in the bucket.

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[Ealevenish]

Originally Posted by Ealevenish
What do you think Apple is going to do with 3 million unsold 5C devices? Destroy them...?

Yeah, probably.

Think again: 3 million x 200 dollars (unit production cost) = 600 million bucks thrown away. Not to mention the X hundred million bucks profit they were supposed to generate. Probably well over a billion, all told.
I doubt Tim Cook would survive the annual shareholders meeting where he would have to sell that idea!

 

[pappy53]

The 5C doesn't sell at all.

The 5s is the best selling phone on all 4 major U.S.carriers, and the 5c is #2 on 3 of the 4. So please explain to me how the 5c "doesn't sell at all"?

 

[Ealevenish]

The 5s is the best selling phone on all 4 major U.S.carriers, and the 5c is #2 on 3 of the 4. So please explain to me how the 5c is "doesn't sell at all"?

What do you call 3 million unsold units sitting in stock? A hot success?

 

[Haalcyon]

What do you call 3 million unsold units sitting in stock? A hot success?

Because their are unsold units doesn't equate to the device not selling well, just not selling as well as forecasted. At least, that's my take-away.


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[pappy53]

What do you call 3 million unsold units sitting in stock? A hot success?

I certainly don't call it "not selling at all". How many Samsung phones do you think are sitting unsold? But that has nothing to do with your "not selling" statement, as the 5c is still one of the top sellers in the U.S.

 

[sting7k]

Yeah, probably.

Apple is incredibly touchy about their premium branding. You will never see them discount their products unless the product is old or they are extremely desperate. And right now they are far from desperate.

Likely they will just hold on to any surplus for spare parts or warranty replacements. And keep selling them like they did their previous phone (lowering the price as they get older). And will eat the cost of whatever is left over. No way will you see them discount those phones in the near future.

Third party retailers will also buy them and sell them at their own discounts.

 

[pappy53]

Don't answer that. Your signature says it all.

What does that mean?