I got an Android, but want to go back to the iPhone. Why is this?

[A895]

Data gathered by Google. Slanted much?

There's no use for this conversation to continue if you put down evidence.

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[A895]

And that goes to apps based on installations in the Play Store. It is a penetration rate.

As mention so much earlier in this thread, you don't have to use the Play Store to download Apps.

Then you have a chance to get malware if you don't use the play store. See how that works?

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[Farish]

Then you have a chance to get malware if you don't use the play store. See how that works?

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Right and that makes Android secure how?

Or this goes back to Google's Android Evangelist stating the same thing.

You can't have it both ways. Either you are secure because of the Bubble or not secure because you don't have to use the Bubble.

 

[A895]

Right and that makes Android secure how?

Or this goes back to Google's Android Evangelist stating the same thing.

You can't have it both ways. Either you are secure because of the Bubble or not secure because you don't have to use the Bubble.

If iOS had the same option as Android to sideload apps then they would have the same problem. It also explicitly states:



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[abazigal]

If iOS had the same option as Android to sideload apps then they would have the same problem. It also explicitly states:



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Thats like saying we don't need laws so long as everyone knows what to do and how to behave. Which we know is not the case, hence the need for laws and law enforcement.

Same logic here. The iOS App Store is closed by design, precisely so people can't "accidentally" wander outside and unknowingly do anything that might compromise their phone's security. I say this alone makes the iphone and iPad more secure than android devices, where people still at least have the option of doing so, and consequently, a higher chance Of inadvertently infecting their device somehow.

 

[A895]

Thats like saying we don't need laws so long as everyone knows what to do and how to behave. Which we know is not the case, hence the need for laws and law enforcement.

Same logic here. The iOS App Store is closed by design, precisely so people can't "accidentally" wander outside and unknowingly do anything that might compromise their phone's security. I say this alone makes the iphone and iPad more secure than android devices, where people still at least have the option of doing so, and consequently, a higher chance Of inadvertently infecting their device somehow.

So you are saying android shouldn't be open? Its open by nature and to incite a malware attack is to err on your own. Android by design can't stop a user from doing anything, but it does give asking that if you step outside these lines its your own fault what happens next. Same with laws, no one can really stop you from breaking the law , but once you do it, you are subject to whatever consequences comes next.

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[abazigal]

So you are saying android shouldn't be open? Its open by nature and to incite a malware attack is to err on your own. Android by design can't stop a user from doing anything, but it does give asking that if you step outside these lines its your own fault what happens next. Same with laws, no one can really stop you from breaking the law , but once you do it, you are subject to whatever consequences comes next.

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No, what I am saying is that since android is open, this is a very real risk and threat which should be recognized, acknowledged and actively managed. Trying to sweep this issue under the carpet doesn't really do anyone any favors here.

It's just like windows. No one is denying that windows is more prone to viruses, malware and spyware. But it's an open secret and one that people pretty much accept as a cost associated with using windows.

It's not about arguing which is better or worse. It just is.

 

[A895]

No, what I am saying is that since android is open, this is a very real risk and threat which should be recognized, acknowledged and actively managed. Trying to sweep this issue under the carpet doesn't really do anyone any favors here.

It's just like windows. No one is denying that windows is more prone to viruses, malware and spyware. But it's an open secret and one that people pretty much accept as a cost associated with using windows.

It's not about arguing which is better or worse. It just is.

Its not being sweeped under the rug! What are you talking about?

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[abazigal]

Its not being sweeped under the rug! What are you talking about?

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Even Eric is claiming that Android is more secure than iOS. What is that, if not blatant denial?

 

[Haalcyon]

Even Eric is claiming that Android is more secure than iOS. What is that, if not blatant denial?

Well, what would you expect Eric to say?


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[Farish]

Even Eric is claiming that Android is more secure than iOS. What is that, if not blatant denial?

They are also ignoring the fact that Sundar Pinchai said the same thing. But these guys probably know better than him.

 

[Aquila]

I think there is a significant difference between the availability of malware, etc to enter a system versus the actual impact it can have via access. Android is generally very secure when it comes to preventing malware from having access to critical systems and user data, but the biggest breakdown in their multi-layered shield is the user. If you actively download, install, ignore warnings and override default settings in order to import stupid things into your device, then yes it is possible to become infected. If you are even slightly common sense oriented and vigilant, getting an actual virus is so difficult (without physical access to your device) that the cost to randomly infect many systems could never be met by the tiny reward available without user cooperation. If Google is saying their system is more secure, I'd assume that they mean in that even if Malware exists in the Play Store, there are multiple layers of security preventing them from causing actual harm, rather than commenting on the presence in the store, etc.

We also need to be pretty clear on what is and isn't malware, in that many third party audits consider applications with in-app purchases, apps that display ads and apps with permissions that they don't understand or that aren't necessary to be malware. If you narrow that definition to actually malicious software, the numbers plummet and almost everyone agrees that actual malware that is downloaded and has an opportunity to execute comes from sources that are not the Google Play Store or pre-installed applications. I don't know a lot about how Apple handles security but I imagine it's much the same, minus the ability to sideload apps, and it's still incumbent on the user to avoid installing obviously shady applications.

 

[A895]

Even Eric is claiming that Android is more secure than iOS. What is that, if not blatant denial?

Wait what? Source?

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[abazigal]

Here.

Eric Schmidt calls Android 'more secure than the iPhone' | The Verge

 

[Haalcyon]

Here.

Eric Schmidt calls Android 'more secure than the iPhone' | The Verge

See my post above.


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[Aquila]

I'm still trying to understand the underlying data here, but according to this site, iOS on the iPhone has had 310 security vulnerabilities Apple Iphone Os : CVE security vulnerabilities, versions and detailed reports while Android has had 30 Google Android : CVE security vulnerabilities, versions and detailed reports

CVE is a common industry-wide identifier for vulnerabilities in release candidate software versions that express to the public.

 

[A895]

Here.

Eric Schmidt calls Android 'more secure than the iPhone' | The Verge

Is it really denial? At the end of the day, no one gets a Android device and expects their phone to get malware. It can only (for the most part) come if you do things that put your device at risk. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.

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[Farish]

I'm still trying to understand the underlying data here, but according to this site, iOS on the iPhone has had 310 security vulnerabilities Apple Iphone Os : CVE security vulnerabilities, versions and detailed reports while Android has had 30 Google Android : CVE security vulnerabilities, versions and detailed reports

CVE is a common industry-wide identifier for vulnerabilities in release candidate software versions that express to the public.

I just went through a lot of these "IOS" Vulnerabilities and they have nothing to do with the operating system.

Here are some I pulled up.

16 CVE-2012-2824 399 DoS 2012-06-27 2013-03-15 7.5 None Remote Low Not required Partial Partial Partial
Use-after-free vulnerability in Google Chrome before 20.0.1132.43 allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service or possibly have unspecified other impact via vectors related to SVG painting.

17 CVE-2012-2807 189 DoS Overflow 2012-06-27 2014-01-27 6.8 None Remote Medium Not required Partial Partial Partial
Multiple integer overflows in libxml2, as used in Google Chrome before 20.0.1132.43 and other products, on 64-bit Linux platforms allow remote attackers to cause a denial of service or possibly have unspecified other impact via unknown vectors.

18 CVE-2012-2619 20 DoS 2012-11-14 2013-02-05 7.8 None Remote Low Not required None None Complete
The Broadcom BCM4325 and BCM4329 Wi-Fi chips, as used in certain Acer, Apple, Asus, Ford, HTC, Kyocera, LG, Malata, Motorola, Nokia, Pantech, Samsung, and Sony products, allow remote attackers to cause a denial of service (out-of-bounds read and Wi-Fi outage) via an RSN 802.11i information element.

That was all listed under IOS and a lot of them are like that. Something is way off with how that website categorizes.

 

[Aquila]

I just went through a lot of these "IOS" Vulnerabilities and they have nothing to do with the operating system.

Here are some I pulled up.









That was all listed under IOS and a lot of them are like that. Something is way off with how that website categorizes.

Hmm, that is interesting. I went through Android's (much shorter list) and they mostly seemed on topic, though some were cross referencing other programs. All three of those would make sense only if they were talking about Chrome on iOS and Apple hardware in general, not just the operating system.

 

[Farish]

Hmm, that is interesting. I went through Android's (much shorter list) and they mostly seemed on topic, though some were cross referencing other programs. All three of those would make sense only if they were talking about Chrome on iOS and Apple hardware in general, not just the operating system.

Some of these vulnerabilities are based on WebKit and even though it has nothing to do with IOS 7 it is being attributed to them.

Here is one.

22 CVE-2013-1008 399 DoS Exec Code Mem. Corr. 2013-05-20 2013-11-02 9.3 None Remote Medium Not required Complete Complete Complete
WebKit, as used in Apple iTunes before 11.0.3, allows man-in-the-middle attackers to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service (memory corruption and application crash) via vectors related to iTunes Store browsing, a different vulnerability than other WebKit CVEs listed in APPLE-SA-2013-05-16-1.