Is the HTC 10 priced too high?

[petvas72]

I think HTC did this:


to improve upon this:



I don't agree about the statement of stock experience; to say near stock/vanilla would probably be more accurate. I am under the impression that this new version of Sense is similar to what Moto had for the 2013/2014 Moto X. Now, don't get me wrong...I like the way they are going here.

Change the launcher and you get Stock Android. Where is the big difference? I have a Nexus 6P, so I know what stock Android is

 

[npaladin-2000]

Because the 5X is mediocre and the 6p is too large for others plus it has the SD810 which isn't as good as the newer SD820?

Make it so.

Not to mention neither one has an SD slot or adoptable storage.

 

[Aquila]

Re: Priced too high?

It is, unless the 6P is priced too low.

 

[Aquila]

And for people comparing the Nexus 6P with the HTC 10, what is the real price difference? In Germany the Nexus 6P (32GB) costs 649€. The HTC 10 costs 699€ and the iPhone 6S costs 745€ (16GB). I cannot say about the US, but in Germany I do not see how the HTC is priced very high. The Nexus 6P doesn't even have earbuds included. The HTC 10 has high res earbuds that are said to cost around 100€. Even if they cost 50 Euro, you can see that there is no price difference to the Nexus 6P (in Germany).
Add to that the better and more premium quality...

What better and premium quality?

 

[Aquila]

I think it's funny to base the question on Samsung's price. Samsung if overpriced by even more.

 

[Golfdriver97]

Where is the big difference?

Not exactly sure, but to quote: "While more of a sparse UI...still a lot of HTC in here."
From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWwRKcUxaU4
Minute marker: 3:01.

Change the launcher and you get Stock Android

Not quite. Launchers can change some things, but there are icons that it can't touch (mainly system app icons). While most do look like Google's icons, the difference isn't that glaring. The biggest differences are in the Settings. There are extra ones there, in alternated order, and alternately named.

I have a Nexus 6P, so I know what stock Android is

I'm a nexus user too. Nexus 5, Nexus 5X, and 2 other devices running AOSP.


Again, I like where HTC is headed. I really hope this device does well for them.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

I think it's funny to base the question on Samsung's price. Samsung if overpriced by even more.

Jerry once said that any phone that's more expensive than a 2015 Moto G is overpriced.

I know that's a joke, but it's a pretty good jab at how the $600+ phones aren't necessarily $200+ better than one of the sub-$400 phones we got last year.

Even a phone around $200 like the Moto G delivers a solid experience without breaking the bank. You get better stuff on a flagship, but something like the G delivers on the basics fairly well, and for some, that's all they need.

Personally, I don't mind spending big bucks on a phone. I keep mine for 2 years or more, so I want the absolute best I can get at that time period.

 

[B0WIE]

Jerry once said that any phone that's more expensive than a 2015 Moto G is overpriced.

I know that's a joke, but it's a pretty good jab at how the $600+ phones aren't necessarily $200+ better than one of the sub-$400 phones we got last year.

Even a phone around $200 like the Moto G delivers a solid experience without breaking the bank. You get better stuff on a flagship, but something like the G delivers on the basics fairly well, and for some, that's all they need.

Personally, I don't mind spending big bucks on a phone. I keep mine for 2 years or more, so I want the absolute best I can get at that time period.

That's where I'm at. My wife has a Moto G and I love how compact, smart, and fun to use it is. But, I am browsing on my phone for 3 hrs every day for business and another 2 for entertainment. Time is money and when I break down the # of hours I'm spending over 2 years, being able to do business more efficiently pays for itself.

As to why anyone would be willing to pay as much as a Sammy or iPhone, it's because I like 10 more based on what i'm seeing. Nicer looking body and user interface. Better sound. Though HTC cameras get panned, they do better in low-light (90% of my daily pics) and tend to let the photographer have more control, so it's looking like it will be a superior for me, like the M8 was. I already picked the 10's camera in the first blind comparison I found. If the S7 and 6s were cheaper, I'd still pay more for the 10 because it happens to have those little things I appreciate. Spending $100 or $200 more than "I should" accounts to peanuts across the 3,500~some hours I'll be using the phone for, so I'm getting the one that is best for me.

 

[Trigati]

And for people comparing the Nexus 6P with the HTC 10, what is the real price difference? In Germany the Nexus 6P (32GB) costs 649€. The HTC 10 costs 699€ and the iPhone 6S costs 745€ (16GB). I cannot say about the US, but in Germany I do not see how the HTC is priced very high. The Nexus 6P doesn't even have earbuds included. The HTC 10 has high res earbuds that are said to cost around 100€. Even if they cost 50 Euro, you can see that there is no price difference to the Nexus 6P (in Germany).
Add to that the better and more premium quality...

The 6P has excellent build quality. HTC 10 may be the very top for build right now, but the 6P isn't any slouch in the build department.

As far as pricing goes, here in the States, the HTC 10 is $699 for an unlocked phone with 32 GB of storage* that only works with two out of the four big carrier's networks. The 6P is $649 for a phone with 128 GB of storage that works with all four carrier's networks. The HTC 10 is priced too highly.

(*Yes, you can expand storage with an SD card, but that only raises the overall price even higher.)

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

... so I'm getting the one that is best for me.

And that's the bottom line.

Get the phone that works best for you. You can ask for suggestions, but ultimately, what works best is using the phone yourself, either at a store or one from a friend and see which one works best for you. Research on the phone also helps. Don't forget to factor in your budget.

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[D13H4RD2L1V3]

The LG 10 is priced too highly.

WUT. I didn't know LG made a 10 except the V10.

(Just kidding)

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[fusta]

899€ in Italy. It will be too much expensive here.

 

[DaveInFL]

I have had the M8 for around 2 years, which is the most I have ever kept a phone. I used to change every year but really, there's just no need apart from keeping up with the Jones's.

So, when you split the cost of 2 years then I'd say it's about average. The HTC One M8 is still selling on swappa for around $150. So, once I sell that, the $100 promo and HTC Uh Oh protection, that probably brings the total cost of the phone down to less that $449.

 

[Aquila]

Jerry once said that any phone that's more expensive than a 2015 Moto G is overpriced.

I know that's a joke, but it's a pretty good jab at how the $600+ phones aren't necessarily $200+ better than one of the sub-$400 phones we got last year.

Even a phone around $200 like the Moto G delivers a solid experience without breaking the bank. You get better stuff on a flagship, but something like the G delivers on the basics fairly well, and for some, that's all they need.

Personally, I don't mind spending big bucks on a phone. I keep mine for 2 years or more, so I want the absolute best I can get at that time period.

I'm not going to drop that far on the reasonable price number, but Jerry's point and yours are valid. I'd just out the cap at within $50 of the current Nexus flagship, because that's the device against which the tradeoffs in whatever features and price will exist most starkly.

(Obviously the below is IMO)

HTC pros over Nexus 6P:

Smaller (if you like that)
Audio DAC
Visual design (back of device)
Newness
Camera, probably
Can be purchased from some carriers
Slight nod to processor

Nexus Pros over HTC:
Screen quality
Battery life, probably
Visual design (front of device)
Front facing speakers
Fingerprint scanner quality
Software quality
Software update speed
Security and security updates
Price
Storage options
Carrier usability

Can't call it yet:
Build quality
Build materials
Fingerprint scanner location

So looking at those lists, you can't just say which has a bigger list - you have to find the features most important to you and then decide, once you figure out where most of your desired things are, if the different things are improved enough to make the price difference equate to a good value.

For me, they're so close on do much and the things that I care most about are in the Nexus column, that even though I think the HTC is the best non Nexus so far this year, I couldn't justify paying $200+ more on it when I'd consider the Nexus a "better" phone for me. If the feature balance went the other way then it'd be a little more difficult, but IMO the HTC should be $499 base and on sale for $449 with promotion to be a winning VALUE.

That said, $699 base is probably where their acceptable margin less promotion and not sold stock exists. So going lower to lose money on sales would be a mistake. They're not fighting for share this year, they're fighting for reputation and to reestablish relevance.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

So looking at those lists, you can't just say which has a bigger list - you have to find the features most important to you and then decide, once you figure out where most of your desired things are, if the different things are improved enough to make the price difference equate to a good value.

This is the part where I think a lot of people miss.

You don't just look at how many pros a phone has over the other and think that's automatically the better phone for you. Look at them carefully and see whether each of the pros matter to you and your usage pattern.

At the end of the day, each phone has their own unique stuff and their own set of pros and cons. It's best to do some research and play with the devices yourself to see which one best suits you.

 

[neo905]

This is the part where I think a lot of people miss.

You don't just look at how many pros a phone has over the other and think that's automatically the better phone for you. Look at them carefully and see whether each of the pros matter to you and your usage pattern.

At the end of the day, each phone has their own unique stuff and their own set of pros and cons. It's best to do some research and play with the devices yourself to see which one best suits you.

Actually at the end of the day people vote with their wallets.

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[Thomas Guide]

HTC is promising fast updates. They also slimmed Sense down to the basics. With the HTC 10 you are getting the stock Android experience, with a few much appreciated addons. This is the perfect Android for me.

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They can promise all they like, but their track record is spotty. Maybe if you have the unlocked version you will get them fast, but carrier editions will be slow as molasses receiving updates. Also, they will drop support for the phone in a heart beat. Even if the android latest version comes out 1 day after the end of their 2 year promise. You will be sol! They could do the right thing and update it, but they won't. They cannot be trusted to deliver timely updates.

 

[Thomas Guide]

That said, $699 base is probably where their acceptable margin less promotion and not sold stock exists. So going lower to lose money on sales would be a mistake. They're not fighting for share this year, they're fighting for reputation and to reestablish relevance.

I love "acceptable margin" So it's better to have them sit in warehouses at an acceptable margin than to move more units at a lower margin? This thing costs maybe $175-$200 to manufacture. Don't start with engineering and R& D costs, I'm not having any of it. Their lower price and higher volume would work. HTC is not Apple or Samsung, they can't command those margins. There is not one feature on this phone that is truly unique or so exceptional to justify the higher price tag. Just because HTC decided it's flasgship phone can play in the big leagues (and priced it as such) doesn't make it true.

Again it may be or is an excellent phone, but is it enough to justify that price? No.

 

[delta7]

Re: Priced too high?

For the person looking at the phones like the Nexus 6P, Moto X Pure Edition, and Nexus 5X, IMO this HTC 10's price is quite reasonable.

No it's not more people are going to prepaid. I have sprint and dying to get off this contract.

700 is too high for any phone and usually only hardcore iPhone people are gonna spend that.

Also sometimes carriers suck and may have issues with phones throughout the 2 years and a customer may wanna switch carriers.

Sometimes you just wanna go somewhere cheaper.

You csn buy a nexus 6p for less and it will last 2 years and csn be used on pretty MI h all carriers.

HTC charging 700 is dumb, only hardware htc fans will buy it. Arrives have to push it hard and I don't see thst happening over Samsung phones.

Cheap people are gonna get a 300 phone and under smartphone and pay 45 a month.

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[delta7]

5x can text, talk, and browse the net 95% of people will be fine with thst, also it's 300 bucks new.

As nice as htc build quality is who here walks around with no case with a slippery metal phone with a curved back?

Okay then.

And the s7, same with the s6 has a great camera and it's pretty, Samsung can get away with thst due to hype, htc csnnot. Screen quality is not in Sammy's level, camera isnt on Sammy's level.

HTC shouldn't be 700,ghis is a game based off name and Sammy apple will win off mouth alone.

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