Is the HTC 10 priced too high?

[NEXUS_HTC_PS]

HTC sabotaged their implementation of USB-C and QuickCharge in a way that is dangerous to the device and the user. .

Do you have a more elaborate explanation to this? Because to me you just sound like someone with a grudge against HTC. Making claims that are laughable. At best.

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[Aquila]

The nexus 6p is a joke when it comes to build quality.

https://youtu.be/tTIaUH6PIvo

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lol, totally fake FUD. get out of here with that haha - It's been over six months since that was established as 100% proven nonsense

Look, I'm totally ok with agreeing to disagree and you buy what you like and I'll buy what I like. But I'm not going to mess around with disingenuous arguments that "disagree" with measurements unless there is a very valid reason to assert that the measurements are false. Because facts can't "disagree" with opinions, facts are what they are and opinions are - well, we probably don't have to explain why facts trump opinions.

So here are the facts:

The screen on the S7e, S7 and 6P is objectively superior to the HTC 10.
The battery on the S7e and 6P is objectively larger than the HTC 10 and the S7 is the same size.
The charging technology on the 6P is objectively better than that of the S7e and S7 which is objectively better than the HTC 10.
The camera on the S7e and S7 is objectively equivalent to the HTC 10 on image quality and both are better than the 6P.
The software resistance to obsolescence is objectively best on the 6P and is statistically likely to be better on the S7e and S7 than on the HTC 10.
The device security is objectively the best on the 6P and statistically is likely to be better on the S7e and S7 than on the HTC 10.
The speaker playback is objectively better on the 6P than the HTC 10 and the HTC 10 is objectively better than the S7e/S7.
The headphone playback is objectively best on the HTC 10 than the other three phones.
The storage options are objectively best on the Nexus 6P vs the other three.
The SoC and RAM are objectively better on the S7e/S7 and HTC 10 than on the Nexus 6P.

So HTC is winning in one category and tied for first on one category. It's then tied for second in two categories and is in fourth in all of the other six measurements presented here.
The 6P is winning in five categories and tied for first in two , tied for second in one and is in fourth on two.

So I'm inclined to give the "overall package" nod to the one that outright wins half the categories and is tied for second or better in 80% of the metrics than to the one that is in last place on 60% and only leads in two areas. If that makes sense.

 

[Aquila]

Do you have a more elaborate explanation to this? Because to me you just sound like someone with a grudge against HTC. Making claims that are laughable. At best. ������

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Sure. They implemented Qualcomm QuickCharge 3.0 on a USB - C port which breaks the USB C specs and caused a device of one of the editors here to overheat. This decision, which we know they know about because they coded a warning screen into the UI for this scenario, can cause catastrophic results if the safeguards fail. And they did fail. Those results can include damage to the device, fire, injury, property damage and death. That solution is objectively inferior to one that follows the spec, delivers 98% of the charging efficiency and is perfectly safe for all property and persons. The 98% as efficient example is the Nexus 5X and 6P charging solution, which delivers 5V/3A via USB C Power Delivery.

I have no issues against HTC, I just can't say that a device that is measurably not the best is the best despite it's actual shortcomings. You'll notice I like to use measurements, not "I HATE IT" as my arguments.

 

[Aquila]

Is this the part where we just agree we disagree on what sorts of materials should be admitted into "evidence"? And that we just enjoy different things?

 

[Ry]

The charging technology on the 6P is objectively better than that of the S7e and S7 which is objectively better than the HTC 10.

Is this because USB-C/USB Power Deliver is "better" than micro USB/Quick Charge (and USB-C/Quick Charge is "wrong")?

 

[Aquila]

Is this because USB-C/USB Power Deliver is "better" than micro USB/Quick Charge (and USB-C/Quick Charge is "wrong")?

It's not that it's wrong, it's that it's dangerous. So I guess dangerous is wrong too - but it's the fact that it can hurt devices and potentially people that makes it a problem. Especially since doing so only gained them a 2% charging speed advantage over the actual standard.

 

[Ry]

It's not that it's wrong, it's that it's dangerous. So I guess dangerous is wrong too - but it's the fact that it can hurt devices and potentially people that makes it a problem. Especially since doing so only gained them a 2% charging speed advantage over the actual standard.

Understood on the USB-C/Quick Charge. But USB-C/USB Power Delivery vs. micro USB/Quick Charge?

 

[Aquila]

Understood on the USB-C/Quick Charge. But USB-C/USB Power Delivery vs. micro USB/Quick Charge?

Just newer better tech. Similar to the reason the audio via USB C is better than a 3.5mm headphone jack (even though I'm not personally ready to make that jump yet).

 

[NEXUS_HTC_PS]

Is this the part where we just agree we disagree on what sorts of materials should be admitted into "evidence"? And that we just enjoy different things?

I agree to disagree with you on everything. In my personal experience, the S7e is garbage when compared to my unlocked HTC 10. So there's no way on this earth that I'm going to agree that the Nexus 6p is better. Or any other phone for that matter. Your "facts" are all someone else's opinion. So good job on that

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[Aquila]

I agree to disagree with you on everything. In my personal experience, the S7e is garbage when compared to my unlocked HTC 10. So there's no way on this earth that I'm going to agree that the Nexus 6p is better. Or any other phone for that matter. Your "facts" are all someone else's opinion. So good job on that
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lol you misunderstood the concept of facts. The screen, battery size, charging tech, camera, audio, volume of storage options, SoC performance are all MEASUREMENTS, not opinions. The two software categories are objectively true today and statistically almost certain to be true 2 years from now. So... these are statements of math, not statements of preference.

Now, to be clear, once again, I'm not saying what you should LIKE or that you are wrong about what you LIKE. What I'm saying, is that, according to the measurements, the HTC 10 isn't as good. So if you prefer the HTC 10 over the other three phones, then there are two possibilities. Either HTC made an experience that transcends the measurements in terms of experience - which is definitely doable, Moto did it 3 years ago. Or you like things that are worse. That's definitely possible, many people dislike amoled screens because of a mistaken believe that the colors are over-saturated. And Android Central does reviews all the time where they give the camera nod to the photos that look the best to them, rather than the ones that are most accurate to the scene. Preference and actually best aren't the same thing.

 

[NEXUS_HTC_PS]

lol you misunderstood the concept of facts. The screen, battery size, charging tech, camera, audio, volume of storage options, SoC performance are all MEASUREMENTS, not opinions. The two software categories are objectively true today and statistically almost certain to be true 2 years from now. So... these are statements of math, not statements of preference.

Now, to be clear, once again, I'm not saying what you should LIKE or that you are wrong about what you LIKE. What I'm saying, is that, according to the measurements, the HTC 10 isn't as good. So if you prefer the HTC 10 over the other three phones, then there are two possibilities. Either HTC made an experience that transcends the measurements in terms of experience - which is definitely doable, Moto did it 3 years ago. Or you like things that are worse. That's definitely possible, many people dislike amoled screens because of a mistaken believe that the colors are over-saturated. And Android Central does reviews all the time where they give the camera nod to the photos that look the best to them, rather than the ones that are most accurate to the scene. Preference and actually best aren't the same thing.

Still, screen is the only thing that is objectively better. Battery size doesn't equivalate to battery life. And the rest of your " measurements" are erroneous. You're pulling at straws. So again. Good job. Especially with agreeing you disagree.

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[Aquila]

Still, screen is the only thing that is objectively better. Battery size doesn't equivalate to battery life. And the rest of your " measurements" are erroneous. You're pulling at straws. So again. Good job. Especially with agreeing you disagree.

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Please provide evidence of erroneous data above. Links to factual data measurements. My methodology is established in the post detailing the scores and is based on actual data about the devices. If you can prove the data is wrong, we can modify the scores. But we'll need facts backed up by measurements if you want to argue against facts backed up by measurements.

 

[NEXUS_HTC_PS]

Please provide evidence of erroneous data above. Links to factual data measurements. My methodology is established in the post detailing the scores and is based on actual data about the devices. If you can prove the data is wrong, we can modify the scores. But we'll need facts backed up by measurements if you want to argue against facts backed up by measurements.

Agree. To. Disagree.

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[Aquila]

So back to the topic, yes it is overpriced if the goal is to establish it's value as being the main argument. If that's not the goal, up to the prospective buyers.

 

[JN81]

Re: Priced too high?

More and more people are buying unlocked and outright.

For the person looking at the phones like the Nexus 6P, Moto X Pure Edition, and Nexus 5X, IMO this HTC 10's price is quite ridiculous.

At $699.99, this is also more expensive than the unlocked 32GB LG G5 ($649.99).

I know this is subjective, but the G5 is easily the ugliest phone I've seen this year. That alone makes the HTC 10 worth the extra $50.
In all seriousness, my MXPE became very laggy/buggy (I must've had a dud) so I didnt feel it was necessary to spend hundreds of bucks up front so soon again. I used my upgrade and got my HTC 10 for $548 over 24 months worth of payments ($22.50 a month) on Verizon.

 

[NEXUS_HTC_PS]

So back to the topic, yes it is overpriced if the goal is to establish it's value as being the main argument. If that's not the goal, up to the prospective buyers.

Yeah. It's in the same category as Samsung and iPhone when it comes to pricing. That doesn't mean it's over priced. That is subjective and up to the buyer to determine whether the phone is "over priced".

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[mwake4goten]

It's all preference. I own both the 10 and the S7e. The edge is complete garbage to me. The G5 is inferior to the S7e. So that would be garbage to me. The Axon 7, isn't even in anyone's hands. So your claims of this phone have no leg to stand on. They are unfounded heresay. I believe none of what I hear and half of what I see. I see the HTC besting the S7e in EVERY category other than the screen. Even with that said, the input lag on the S7e is terrible and makes the phone feel second rate when compared to the 10. I fail to see any phone have a better all around package( services, hardware and software). In my opinion, all OEMs releases thus far have failed to compete with HTC. And it's sad that everyone else is OK with second rate packages(smartphones as a whole:hardware, software and services)

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You make good points about the Axon 7. I agree we have to wait for the Axon 7 to be released before making judgements. However, if the early benchmark comparisons are too be belived it will (temporarily) take the crown as the most powerful smartphone for under 500. And if it's confirmed that it can outperform the 10 then surely thats got to be a little embarrassing for HTC? It's not just HTC who have been setting crazy high prices apple have been ripping people off for years! That's why I'm happy for the likes of ZTE to come in and shake things up.

 

[Almeuit]

That is subjective and up to the buyer to determine whether the phone is "over priced".

Hence why the thread was made for the OP to ask us buyers .. That way he gets opinions from everyone .

 

[Aquila]

Samsung and Apple are also overpriced. Saying something is not because they are is like saying it should be ok to rob banks because other people have robbed banks. Nope, still wrong no matter how many people do it and no matter how many people like it.

 

[JN81]

Samsung and Apple are also overpriced. Saying something is not because they are is like saying it should be ok to rob banks because other people have robbed banks. Nope, still wrong no matter how many people do it and no matter how many people like it.

Yeah, I dont understand why I see most people just saying the HTC 10 is overpriced. I think any phone that is $700 is overpriced. But again, this is something that is subjective too.