Just held the HTC one in the store

[madlaw1071]

He never said it would flop, he just have his personal opinion, which backs up my personal opinion. Everyone knows the S4 will sell theres no debating that, but im just saying it will not sell as well as the S3

It will be interesting to see how y'alls forecast jives with that of every Wall St. analyst who thinks the S4 will sell a ridiculous amount.

 

[BigDinCA]

Uh sure they do. Peeps like us but by and large, the masses do not. Heck most people dont even update their OS and apps on a regular basis.

I think a majority do update their OS and apps. They just wait until the OS update gets pushed to their phone, and most of the people I know have their apps set to auto-update (totally stupid, by the way). I didn't mean to imply the majority of people upgrade early, but even a minority would still be millions and millions of people. You think everyone with the iphone5 came from the 3GS or the 4? Nope - tons of 4S folks there who sold their old ones online and paid for the 5. And how many GS2 owners upgraded to the GS3? That's a year between models so I know that lots and lots of those folks had no upgrade eligibility available.

 

[BigDinCA]

It will be interesting to see how y'alls forecast jives with that of every Wall St. analyst who thinks the S4 will sell a ridiculous amount.

Would these be the same people who thought Enron was the second coming, or the ones who said putting all of the IRA, mutual fund, pension and local bond money into real estate was a good idea? The day I put much stock into what people who have no idea what my interests or concerns are will be the day after I'm dead.

 

[warpdrive]

But does the nexus have a menu button?


This is where I think you're wrong. Beyond any requirement to do away with hard buttons, I believe the spec also stats that the menu button has to go away, which is what HTC did. Now because many developers haven't updated their apps to fit the new spec HTC had to add menu functionality, but this is only used when developers are not following the google spec.

Can anyone else confirm whether or not googles spec states that the menu button is done?

The nexus 4 has all on screen buttons.

I agree, most legacy apps have not been updated. The sad thing is they won't be in the near future.

But I'm not saying that this problem is the fault of the app makers (and it is), what I'm saying is that HTC could have avoided this. After all, all buttons are to be on screen as per request by google.

Like how Google no longer supports micro sd cards anymore...yet every OEM can abide or not follow such a standard.
Btw, HTC is putting out a new phone for south east Asia with an sd card right now.

OEMs use android as a base to build on. As such, they will make it their own and follow what ever they feel like and they couldn't care less what Google says. Proof is looking at all the OEMs and seeing that they care more about selling what the people want and not what Google wants since ICS.

sent with my 2 year old HTC evo3d

 

[BigDinCA]

But I'm not saying that this problem is the fault of the app makers (and it is), what I'm saying is that HTC could have avoided this. After all, all buttons are to be on screen as per request by google.

How does this avoid the black menu bar? It doesn't. They are two separate, yet valid, discussions. Unless I'm not understanding something.

 

[dwd3885]

How does this avoid the black menu bar? It doesn't. They are two separate, yet valid, discussions. Unless I'm not understanding something.

If HTC used on screen buttons, the effect when a legacy menu is needed is just like on the N4.

 

[BigDinCA]

Which is...........?

I've been asking because I don't know.

 

[warpdrive]

How does this avoid the black menu bar? It doesn't. They are two separate, yet valid, discussions. Unless I'm not understanding something.

Sorry I wasn't clear.

They could have avoided the black bar by doing all hardware buttons.

We also could have had all in screen buttons, and then I would agree that the black bar is solely the app developers fault. But since htc didn't do this, and did their own thing, then It's HTC's fault.

I hope I was more clear.

sent with my 2 year old HTC evo3d

 

[warpdrive]

If HTC used on screen buttons, the effect when a legacy menu is needed is just like on the N4.

Yep

sent with my 2 year old HTC evo3d

 

[BigDinCA]

Sorry I wasn't clear.

They could have avoided the black bar by doing all hardware buttons.

We also could have had all in screen buttons, and then I would agree that the black bar is solely the app developers fault. But since htc didn't do this, and did their own thing, then It's HTC's fault.

I hope I was more clear.

sent with my 2 year old HTC evo3d

My point is simple: irrespective of what HTC does (on-screen or physical buttons) the menu bar still appears and that falls squarely on the developers. HTC takes one step in the Androids right direction (eliminate the menu button) and gets slammed for it because they didn't take a second step (on-screen buttons). The first step didn't cause the problem and the second step wouldn't fix it. Apparently the correct call would have been for them to take a step backwards and return to using the menu button? While they're at it they should have brought back the search button and the trackball, I suppose. Unless I (along with lots of other people who don't have a Nexus device) am not fully understanding something, which is why I asked dwd3885 or anybody else to be more specific about the effect the legacy menu had on the N4. Here was your response:

Yep

I ask again... what effect is that?

 

[warpdrive]

My point is simple: irrespective of what HTC does (on-screen or physical buttons) the menu bar still appears and that falls squarely on the developers. HTC takes one step in the Androids right direction (eliminate the menu button) and gets slammed for it because they didn't take a second step (on-screen buttons). The first step didn't cause the problem and the second step wouldn't fix it. Apparently the correct call would have been for them to take a step backwards and return to using the menu button? While they're at it they should have brought back the search button and the trackball, I suppose. Unless I (along with lots of other people who don't have a Nexus device) am not fully understanding something, which is why I asked dwd3885 or anybody else to be more specific about the effect the legacy menu had on the N4. Here was your response:

I ask again... what effect is that?

My point is that htc did not try to take any steps to comply with Google's policy. That is what you'll hear from fanbois or what I call, marketing BS.
What htc did do is what it wanted, to goto a two button layout with a giant htc logo plastered in the middle. As a result, you get the black bar.

That is just one of the long lists of FUD or hype that you hear so often, day in and day out that it becomes the "new truth". But it is no more truthful then any other lie that is made up about this phone.

HTC still puts out phones with a 3 hardware button layout. They still put out phones with a sd card slot. They don't care about taking one step or a giant step closer to a pure android. They will do what they want, not what Google asks them to do.

If you were here just two months ago, the lies or hype was so thick around here that I honestly waited for someone to tell me this phone will make me coffee every morning. But thankfully it didn't get that bad.

sent with my 2 year old HTC evo3d

 

[adriandb]

My point is that htc did not try to take any steps to comply with Google's policy.

Yes they did, they removed the menu button which is what Google has called for. This whole side conversation of onscreen vs. other types of buttons is irrelevant to this discussion. Google said "Get rid of the f'ing menu button, it's screwing with the direction we want to take Android." This is what HTC has done, now app developers need to get on board as well. This is just a transition period and if Google has any control over the Android world all the other hardware makers will follow suit as well.

HTC still puts out phones with a 3 hardware button layout. They still put out phones with a sd card slot. They don't care about taking one step or a giant step closer to a pure android. They will do what they want, not what Google asks them to do.

None of this is relevant, this isn't a conversation about whether or not HTC is a good Android citizen. It's a more fine grained conversation that:

1) Google asked hardware manufactures to remove the menu button.
2) They've also asked app developers to stop relying on a menu button.
3) Some hardware manufacturers are complying.
4) Developers need to update their apps or people will start looking for alternatives.

 

[warpdrive]

Yes they did, they removed the menu button which is what Google has called for. This whole side conversation of onscreen vs. other types of buttons is irrelevant to this discussion. Google said "Get rid of the f'ing menu button, it's screwing with the direction we want to take Android." This is what HTC has done, now app developers need to get on board as well. This is just a transition period and if Google has any control over the Android world all the other hardware makers will follow suit as well.


None of this is relevant, this isn't a conversation about whether or not HTC is a good Android citizen. It's a more fine grained conversation that:

1) Google asked hardware manufactures to remove the menu button.
2) They've also asked app developers to stop relying on a menu button.
3) Some hardware manufacturers are complying.
4) Developers need to update their apps or people will start looking for alternatives.

Some would say you are now brainwashed like isheep. Good job hypsters, you got an other one.

sent with my 2 year old HTC evo3d

 

[adriandb]

Soooooo, you don't agree with the Google spec so you label people? It's like having a conversation with an avocado.

 

[warpdrive]

Soooooo, you don't agree with the Google spec so you label people? It's like having a conversation with an avocado.

Oh, I agree with the Google spec. I just don't agree that htc only went half way with such a spec to please google. Big difference, especially since his idea isn't based on fact but based on conjecture at best.

sent with my 2 year old HTC evo3d

 

[htowngator]

Soooooo, you don't agree with the Google spec so you label people? It's like having a conversation with an avocado.

Argued with this dude earlier over the SAMOLED green tint. I don't think he understands.

 

[madlaw1071]

BOTTOM LINE, very few people outside of these forums will even notice the black bar or the home button placement. Inside these forums it gives the h8ers another reason to h8 and the fanbois another thing to blindly defend.

 

[stalemate1]

Does anyone know the battery life of this phone when watching videos ?

By the way: what is this business of calling people haters and fanboys ? We are all different, our experiences of life are different, different things have different meanings to different people. Meaning we all have different opinions about both products and behavior patterns. Eg some people may think that I'm dumb where as in my eyes I see myself as creative or "different" yeah I know. I'm unique...just like all other 9 000 000 000 people on this planet. So who is to say what's better and what's worse. Thus the saying; beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Look bottom line I say quit the trolling and accept if this one wants to defend this and that one wants to convince others that one product is better then another.

 

[HOLLYWOODANT215]

True true

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[hodan]

Not actually, they HTC one still is a great option to have if u looking for a phone, my girlfriend wants nothing to do with android... From the hype on this site about build quality and screen I thought it could get me away from buying a s4...but in person it's small and texture and shape just doesn't blow me away... If it wasn't for all the hype I'm sure if that was my first time ever seeing hearing and seeing the phone I would felt different, just like hype of s4 was let down to some, HTC one in person from online hype is just Ok

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I thought you were trolling the forum after reading your first post. Now I believe you are being sincere. So I won't be sarcastic this time.

Your judgment is just bad. Nearly every serious reviewer says this phone is the best phone available, that the hardware and design are incredible, and after playing with several... Nothing is comparable.

Based on your opinion of this phone, I would love to meet you at St. Peter's Cathedral in Vatican City and hear your thoughts on the Sistine Chapel and the Last Judgment.

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