LG Nexus 5 Specs: Snapdragon 808, 5.2 1080p, 3GB RAM, 2700mah battery

[jackdubl]

I agree with you, that Doze won't be a game changer... and I will be surprised if it changes something for power users in fact.

But, that was not my point.

My point was that display power consumption has dicrease significantly this year for LG.
The display of the LG G4 is not "a little more efficient" than the G3's display but a lot more.
At 200nits, G4's display consumes 855mW. The G3's display consumes 65% more at the same brightness level !!!! (1415mW).

AMOLED has also make some significant progresses on display power efficiency during the last two year (21% more power efficient since the Note 4's display which was already the most power efficient smartphone's display of its time).

But again I agree with you that it won't matter much if it's coupled to a SoC that seems to consume a lot more than its predecessor.

And yet, all of the reviews say the G4 got worse battery life than the G3.

 

[Alex98]

And yet, all of the reviews say the G4 got worse battery life than the G3

And that has nothing to do with the screen. A phone isn't just a display.

Actually, all phones with S808 or S810 seems to have less battery life than their predecessors : M9, G4, Z3+, ...
So blame the SoC, not the display.

 

[Alex_NJ]

And that has nothing to do with the screen. A phone isn't just a display.

Actually, all phones with S808 or S810 seems to have less battery life than their predecessors : M9, G4, Z3+, ...
So blame the SoC, not the display.

You can throw the Oneplus 2 in to that list too

 

[LeoRex]

All Doze will do is make that flat part of the line a little flatter. How much extra time you think that'll get you?

Oh, Doze is going to help a lot of people out. Anyone who has a phone that sits there on a desk or table for most of the time is going to be pleased. I mean, when I'm in the office, my phone sits for nearly the entire day (no need to check it, on my laptop the entire time). Even at my house, it sits silently most of the time. I'm on it 3 to 4 hours a day I would guess. And while I charge early and often, if I just went straight on through, I'd be in the mid to high 4's in terms of SOT per full charge.

How much does it make a difference? You'd be surprised. When my Nexus 6 is off and I'm out walking around (which disables Doze), the thing will average 1.5 to 2%/h idle drain... closer to 2%. When Doze kicks in, that number drops to under 0.5% (I've seen it go as low as 0.2%). What difference does that make? More than you would think. Factoring the times that Doze does it's thing with my daily usage, that saves me about 15% or so in absolute charge. That works out to be an extra hour of SOT or letting me not worry about charging for that much longer.

As the old saying goes YMMV.... just because it might not help you doesn't mean that it won't help others. I've been monitoring how well Doze functions since I first loaded the preview on my Nexus 6 back when the first build dropped and it works and works well.

 

[Zendroid1]

And keep in mind this is only the beginning of Doze. I expect future iterations of Doze to work while in pockets as well.

The standby future of Android is bright!

 

[jackdubl]

Oh, Doze is going to help a lot of people out. Anyone who has a phone that sits there on a desk or table for most of the time is going to be pleased. I mean, when I'm in the office, my phone sits for nearly the entire day (no need to check it, on my laptop the entire time). Even at my house, it sits silently most of the time. I'm on it 3 to 4 hours a day I would guess. And while I charge early and often, if I just went straight on through, I'd be in the mid to high 4's in terms of SOT per full charge.

How much does it make a difference? You'd be surprised. When my Nexus 6 is off and I'm out walking around (which disables Doze), the thing will average 1.5 to 2%/h idle drain... closer to 2%. When Doze kicks in, that number drops to under 0.5% (I've seen it go as low as 0.2%). What difference does that make? More than you would think. Factoring the times that Doze does it's thing with my daily usage, that saves me about 15% or so in absolute charge. That works out to be an extra hour of SOT or letting me not worry about charging for that much longer.

As the old saying goes YMMV.... just because it might not help you doesn't mean that it won't help others. I've been monitoring how well Doze functions since I first loaded the preview on my Nexus 6 back when the first build dropped and it works and works well.

2-3% idle in how long? Compare to my screen shot of idle w/o Doze. And 15% gives you an extra hour screen time? Please do a little math there. This is what I'm talking about. You are way overestimating everything in your favor to make this point.

 

[LeoRex]

2-3% idle in how long? Compare to my screen shot of idle w/o Doze. And 15% gives you an extra hour screen time? Please do a little math there. This is what I'm talking about. You are way overestimating everything in your favor to make this point.

I'm not overestimating, I am going off what I've observed... not just from using Doze. I've been up to my elbows in power usage for years. From tools like Amplify and Greenify to using automation apps like Tasker and Llama to reduce power usage. Deep diving into system/application wakelocks, custom kernels, governor tweaks, etc. It was mostly an act of self preservation as the phones I've owned previously had issues being able to make it a full day without hitting up the charger.

The 15% per hour of SOT is pretty spot on for me... I have many system tools that, among other functions, split out my battery usage based on when the screen is on or off. And I'm usually around that number. Some people may be higher, some lower... everyone's usage is different. But I'm pretty consistent in my usage patterns so I can gleen from the consumption rates how things react.

A small difference in idle drain makes a big difference in available power. A reduction of 1%/h 'give you back' as much as 20% of a full charge over the course of a day. When M's Doze feature kicks in, it has a similar effect of putting the phone into Airplane Mode, but without disabling anything important. Some eariler phones had much higher idle drains... smaller batteries, less efficient software and hardware, etc. My old SIII would be well into the 3's, if not 4%+/h if I didn't go in and modify stuff... I'd lose a third of a charge, or more, just sitting there on my desk at work.... even more if I was out and about and Google Location and Play Servers start doing their thing. That used to drive me nuts and I spent a lot of time researching and fiddling with things to reduce that number.

Now, if you are a turn and burn user who is uses the thing constantly, sure, Doze won't help all that much, that's not what it is for. The point of Doze is to reduce, as much as possible, power usage when you phone is sitting there on a table not being used. In situations like that, people pretty much only care about high priority notifications and don't need a ton of fluff waking up their phone 10 times a minute.

 

[jackdubl]

I'm not overestimating, I am going off what I've observed... not just from using Doze. I've been up to my elbows in power usage for years. From tools like Amplify and Greenify to using automation apps like Tasker and Llama to reduce power usage. Deep diving into system/application wakelocks, custom kernels, governor tweaks, etc. It was mostly an act of self preservation as the phones I've owned previously had issues being able to make it a full day without hitting up the charger.

The 15% per hour of SOT is pretty spot on for me... I have many system tools that, among other functions, split out my battery usage based on when the screen is on or off. And I'm usually around that number. Some people may be higher, some lower... everyone's usage is different. But I'm pretty consistent in my usage patterns so I can gleen from the consumption rates how things react.

A small difference in idle drain makes a big difference in available power. A reduction of 1%/h 'give you back' as much as 20% of a full charge over the course of a day. When M's Doze feature kicks in, it has a similar effect of putting the phone into Airplane Mode, but without disabling anything important. Some eariler phones had much higher idle drains... smaller batteries, less efficient software and hardware, etc. My old SIII would be well into the 3's, if not 4%+/h if I didn't go in and modify stuff... I'd lose a third of a charge, or more, just sitting there on my desk at work.... even more if I was out and about and Google Location and Play Servers start doing their thing. That used to drive me nuts and I spent a lot of time researching and fiddling with things to reduce that number.

Now, if you are a turn and burn user who is uses the thing constantly, sure, Doze won't help all that much, that's not what it is for. The point of Doze is to reduce, as much as possible, power usage when you phone is sitting there on a table not being used. In situations like that, people pretty much only care about high priority notifications and don't need a ton of fluff waking up their phone 10 times a minute.

Here is a pick of my consumption while idling. As you can see, it is not 1% per hour drop. So I say you exaggerate there. Note I don't even have a strong signal, so it drains faster than normal. And by your math on the 15% per hour SOT, you are getting no less than 5 hours SOT ever, and you should usually be getting more like 6 hours. So if that is true for you, then you are right. But I don't think that's true. Show me your idling screenshot of you losing 1% per hour, much less the 3-4% you suggest.

I had an S3 I used for years, and now an S4, which is where the screenshot is from. The idle drain is nowhere near what you claim. That is with everything on, location set to high accuracy, no exposed or any trickery. As I stated before, Doze will make that flat part of the line a little flatter, which would make no real difference in your battery life, since my pic shows it is almost totally driven by the SOT, with some other less significant factors mixed in.

 

[Golfdriver97]

Doze has helped extend the battery life on my Nex5 a little. Not by leaps and bounds, considering the physical size of the battery.

From my G4
Android Central Ambassador Team Leader

 

[getbretweir]

I'm not overestimating, I am going off what I've observed... not just from using Doze. I've been up to my elbows in power usage for years. From tools like Amplify and Greenify to using automation apps like Tasker and Llama to reduce power usage. Deep diving into system/application wakelocks, custom kernels, governor tweaks, etc. It was mostly an act of self preservation as the phones I've owned previously had issues being able to make it a full day without hitting up the charger.

The 15% per hour of SOT is pretty spot on for me... I have many system tools that, among other functions, split out my battery usage based on when the screen is on or off. And I'm usually around that number. Some people may be higher, some lower... everyone's usage is different. But I'm pretty consistent in my usage patterns so I can gleen from the consumption rates how things react.

A small difference in idle drain makes a big difference in available power. A reduction of 1%/h 'give you back' as much as 20% of a full charge over the course of a day. When M's Doze feature kicks in, it has a similar effect of putting the phone into Airplane Mode, but without disabling anything important. Some eariler phones had much higher idle drains... smaller batteries, less efficient software and hardware, etc. My old SIII would be well into the 3's, if not 4%+/h if I didn't go in and modify stuff... I'd lose a third of a charge, or more, just sitting there on my desk at work.... even more if I was out and about and Google Location and Play Servers start doing their thing. That used to drive me nuts and I spent a lot of time researching and fiddling with things to reduce that number.

Now, if you are a turn and burn user who is uses the thing constantly, sure, Doze won't help all that much, that's not what it is for. The point of Doze is to reduce, as much as possible, power usage when you phone is sitting there on a table not being used. In situations like that, people pretty much only care about high priority notifications and don't need a ton of fluff waking up their phone 10 times a minute.

I agree. the only thing I compare it to is the iPhone. with such a small battery, they get the same life as most android phones. their standby time is a big reason for that.

 

[LeoRex]

I agree. the only thing I compare it to is the iPhone. with such a small battery, they get the same life as most android phones. their standby time is a big reason for that.

Background activity... Apple is brutally tight on letting things churn away in the background. Google loosens the reigns quite a bit and lets people do what they want in the background. Though, that difference may change a little bit soon. It is no secret that Apple wants to get more Google Now-like functions rolled into iOS. The problem is that doing so will lead to an increase in background processing, which by extension, will lead to higher idle load. That's a WHOLE different topic, but it leads me into my next point...

jackdubl, looking at that battery graph, I can tell that you don't have a ton of wakelocks getting fired, at least overnight. Those are the silent killer. And since you don't have a bunch in there, Doze wouldn't save you a ton. But, like I might have mentioned, don't make the mistake of assuming everyone else has the same usage. Everyone uses their phones differently... they have different apps, use different services, different usage patterns, settings.. you name it. And when you have two people with the same phone and wildly different battery performance, unless it is obvious (one burns away on Ingress 24/7 where the other one is on Twitter the entire time), I'd chance a guess that one of them has far more background services in play.

During the day, I get a lot of Google-related wakelocks, especially on my commute. But I'm not concerned much since they are all coming as a result how I am set up. I've been using Google Now heavily since it's release and I have a lot of stuff working away in there, especially location based stuff. Which is perfectly fine with me since that's precisely what I want. Now is one of the things that put the 'smart' in my smartphone.

OK...

Back to the original topic... I think that people are going to be pleasantly surprised at the battery performance of this phone. Every component is more efficient than the previous generation Nexus 5; screen, sensors, processors, modems, operating system etc. So by default it will use less power and add in an additional 400mah, I think people are going to see a sizable bump over the old 5.

 

[getbretweir]

Background activity... Apple is brutally tight on letting things churn away in the background. Google loosens the reigns quite a bit and lets people do what they want in the background. Though, that difference may change a little bit soon. It is no secret that Apple wants to get more Google Now-like functions rolled into iOS. The problem is that doing so will lead to an increase in background processing, which by extension, will lead to higher idle load. That's a WHOLE different topic, but it leads me into my next point...

jackdubl, looking at that battery graph, I can tell that you don't have a ton of wakelocks getting fired, at least overnight. Those are the silent killer. And since you don't have a bunch in there, Doze wouldn't save you a ton. But, like I might have mentioned, don't make the mistake of assuming everyone else has the same usage. Everyone uses their phones differently... they have different apps, use different services, different usage patterns, settings.. you name it. And when you have two people with the same phone and wildly different battery performance, unless it is obvious (one burns away on Ingress 24/7 where the other one is on Twitter the entire time), I'd chance a guess that one of them has far more background services in play.

During the day, I get a lot of Google-related wakelocks, especially on my commute. But I'm not concerned much since they are all coming as a result how I am set up. I've been using Google Now heavily since it's release and I have a lot of stuff working away in there, especially location based stuff. Which is perfectly fine with me since that's precisely what I want. Now is one of the things that put the 'smart' in my smartphone.

OK...

Back to the original topic... I think that people are going to be pleasantly surprised at the battery performance of this phone. Every component is more efficient than the previous generation Nexus 5; screen, sensors, processors, modems, operating system etc. So by default it will use less power and add in an additional 400mah, I think people are going to see a sizable bump over the old 5.

yeah I think your spot on. with regards to doze, I know for my personal use, I can expect an extra 20% a day ... that's a gigantic increase in battery performance.

 

[LeoRex]

yeah I think your spot on. with regards to doze, I know for my personal use, I can expect an extra 20% a day ... that's a gigantic increase in battery performance.

Again... it all depends on usage. If your phone sits on a table or desk for a majority of the time, you'll see a big difference. If you turn and burn and are on the go all the time, not so much. I've said this in earlier threads, but I think it is a good compromise. If the Doze service (and its a service) kicked in whenever you turned off the display, you'd lose a lot of functionality. So they decided to just leave it to only when the phone is sitting there, not being touched.

Now, considering everyone will have access to the source when it launches, I am curious if the custom dev community will be able to get in there and start fussing with the configuration.... that would render a lot of those battery saving apps obsolete.

 

[Alex_NJ]

I never really got Google Now working for me

It never through up anything useful.

The articles are never as relevant as Feedly. I would love traffic warnings for my regular commute but they never seem to happen

 

[getbretweir]

Again... it all depends on usage. If your phone sits on a table or desk for a majority of the time, you'll see a big difference. If you turn and burn and are on the go all the time, not so much. I've said this in earlier threads, but I think it is a good compromise. If the Doze service (and its a service) kicked in whenever you turned off the display, you'd lose a lot of functionality. So they decided to just leave it to only when the phone is sitting there, not being touched.

Now, considering everyone will have access to the source when it launches, I am curious if the custom dev community will be able to get in there and start fussing with the configuration.... that would render a lot of those battery saving apps obsolete.

my work phone is in constant use from 8am - 7pm. the other is pretty much just collecting dust til after work. I own a marketing company, responsible for sales and business operations (hence my incessant talk about battery life, not always at a desk or in the car) ... so yeah, while one will surely benefit, the other not so much.

and thx for your detailed explanation about background activity, I didn't know all that, but love reading and learning about nerdy tech stuff!

 

[Alex_NJ]

Here are the front and back of the Nexus 5X in mint

New pictures reveal a new 'mint' colour

 

[Kaido]

The bezels don't look as bad as some of the case renders made it out to be.

The image quality isn’t that good, so the actual color of the device may differ quite a lot from the washed out blue we can see in the image

Here's hoping we get quality leak then.

 

[getbretweir]

Here are the front and back of the Nexus 5X in mint

New pictures reveal a new 'mint' colour

could that a$$hole possibly have covered that phone with his ugly hands any more?

 

[Zendroid1]

could that a$$hole possibly have covered that phone with his ugly hands any more?

How to hold a phone like an ape

 

[getbretweir]

How to hold a phone like an ape

lol, seriously ... i mean cmon dude!