mosque on ground zero

[Cubanjinx]

What is your take on the issue? If you have no idea wat im talking about i have a link with a story.
Should they be allowed to build a mosque/islamic center so close to ground zero?

http://mobile.nytimes.com/article?a=630306

 

[cr3amy]

Simple fact is: you can't just ignore the Constitution because some people will get upset about it.

I'm sorry, but nothing trumps the 1st Amendment.

... However... I don't believe it's unconstitutional to say that religious centers can't be built within certain zones. But you'd have to say no religious centers at all, not necessarily no Muslim centers.


And besides, just because the people who made 9/11 happen were Muslim, and just because they did it in the name of Islam, it doesn't mean we need to be discriminating against Islam.

At the same time... it's pretty douchey that they're trying to do it right there. Why can't they just be like, "Okay, we have the right to do this. Maybe we shouldn't piss people off, let's do it a few blocks/miles away."

 

[Cubanjinx]

That's the thing tho....they've been offered other places to put it but they refuse anywhere but there and this isn't the first time they're doing something like this. Their first huge mosque was built in cordova spain after they bombed there as a sign of domination :-/

 

[fonefanatic]

I agree that the 1st Amendment is the basis for our country and people should be free to worship any god or deity they see fit. However, this mosque should absolutely not be allowed at that location! If people are really interested or just curious do some research on Islam, Muslims, and the Quran. Building a mosque in a foreign land is a sign of conquering that land in the Islam religion! So with that you make your own conclusions as to why they want to build it there!

 

[pauldroidr2d2]

Simple fact is: you can't just ignore the Constitution because some people will get upset about it.

I'm sorry, but nothing trumps the 1st Amendment.

... However... I don't believe it's unconstitutional to say that religious centers can't be built within certain zones. But you'd have to say no religious centers at all, not necessarily no Muslim centers.


And besides, just because the people who made 9/11 happen were Muslim, and just because they did it in the name of Islam, it doesn't mean we need to be discriminating against Islam.

At the same time... it's pretty douchey that they're trying to do it right there. Why can't they just be like, "Okay, we have the right to do this. Maybe we shouldn't piss people off, let's do it a few blocks/miles away."

I agree with much of what you said. Where I am having a problem on all this is that they are making it almost impossible for a Greek Orthodox church that was there and destroyed on 9/11 yet seem to be bending over backwards to let the Muslim church go in.

Not to mention the perception of simply having a mosque built there.

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[cr3amy]

I agree with much of what you said. Where I am having a problem on all this is that they are making it almost impossible for a Greek Orthodox church that was there and destroyed on 9/11 yet seem to be bending over backwards to let the Muslim church go in.

Precisely my point about having to treat any religion the same

Not to mention the perception of simply having a mosque built there.

But that's not what this country is about.

 

[Yourdogsdead]

Personally, I don't think that 9/11 is a place for any religion. We don't need a religion to mourn the loss of those people.

 

[Cubanjinx]

Building a mosque in a foreign land is a sign of conquering that land in the Islam religion! So with that you make your own conclusions as to why they want to build it there!

Bingo. That's why i brought up the bombing in Spain. Take it for wat its worth but the bldg would be called the "CORDOVA house"

 

[melwan]

I don't really see the "need" to build it right in that spot.

On the other hand though, it won't have the traditional mosque look and thus, won't be changing the NY landscape. Besides, isn't it more of an educational centre than a mosque? IMO, that would be a win for moderate Muslims over extremists/terrorists. Extremists don't like dialog.

Anyway, moving it a few blocks won't hurt IMO.

Just my $0.02

 

[cpomike13]

What the heck does this have to do with android technology!! Keep politics and religion off the forum!

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[melwan]

What the heck does this have to do with android technology!! Keep politics and religion off the forum!

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[Cubanjinx]

+1 to Melwan

 

[mikestorm]

That's the thing with the Constitution: You must take the bad ramifications with the good. If we only acknowledge the Constitution when it suits us, we may as well ignore it altogether.

Right now, the Constitution the most supreme and absolute document in our government. We as American's have an obligation protect it just as it protects us.

If we allow even the most innocent chink in its protective armor, simply because we don't agree with the faction that its protecting, I guarantee that the entire document will be completely ripped apart soon after by the self-interested. If we impede the protective power of the Constitution, we're exposing ourselves to a lack of protection down the line.

 

[pauldroidr2d2]

Precisely my point about having to treat any religion the same



But that's not what this country is about.

Very true. Unfortunately, in our society as it is currently, to be perfectly frank, people aren't really interested in true, genuine liberty for all. To accept this concept requires us to accept others lumps and all. Unfortunately, some believe that in liberty requires everyone to agree with those liberties when that is simply not the case.

To allow such a thing to exist would require allowing and in some cases accepting distasteful ideas, concepts, and ideas to be seen.

Our culture is far too hypersensitive and into how their "rights" have been violated whether that be by a cross being put up on city property, to seeing a nativity at a local church during the Christmas season on down to malls playing Christmas carols.

People have perceived rights and there are oodles of lawyers who are willing to make a wealthy lifestyle by catering to these people and allowing them to believe they have the right to limit others rights in order to enhance their perceived rights.

 

[Cubanjinx]

To be honest i think some of you are missing the point. It's not about freedom of religion these ppl were offered other places to put this bldg but they refuse and fight to get permission to put it right next to where they attacked. If it was just about freedom why wouldn't they agree to put it somewhere else if offered

 

[cr3amy]

Where "they" attacked? I think you're missing the point.

 

[Darkblue31]

It's not on ground zero but a few blocks. The Greek church was located on ground zero and they will get a location down there. FYI the Muslims are already praying at the building and there is a mosque in the same area. Does that mean make it a no Muslim zone? You can't do that then you are worse that the terrorists. Another point how many people who object how many of them live in the city of ny? Because a lot of the elected that don't object but don't want to take care of the first responders that are now sick because its an entitlement

 

[mikestorm]

To be honest i think some of you are missing the point. It's not about freedom of religion these ppl were offered other places to put this bldg but they refuse and fight to get permission to put it right next to where they attacked. If it was just about freedom why wouldn't they agree to put it somewhere else if offered

You seen to believe that Islam and Al Qaeda are one in the same. I think this mistaken perception is responsible for many people's opinion on this subject.

 

[pauldroidr2d2]

It's not on ground zero but a few blocks. The Greek church was located on ground zero and they will get a location down there. FYI the Muslims are already praying at the building and there is a mosque in the same area. Does that mean make it a no Muslim zone? You can't do that then you are worse that the terrorists. Another point how many people who object how many of them live in the city of ny? Because a lot of the elected that don't object but don't want to take care of the first responders that are now sick because its an entitlement

Actually the Greek church still hasn't been approved to build again. I'll throw in another comment, while overall I don't have a problem with the mosque being built so close to ground zero like this, I do wonder about the intentions. Given the fact that there is another mosque already very close to the location where they would like to build this new one, why do they want to build so close ground zero, especially knowing what the reaction by many is going to be. Are they wanting to do it because it is needed, or necessary? Are they doing simply because it is a "right"?

Also C.A.R.E. is involved with their representation legally. Hasn't C.A.R.E. provided support for people who have been involved with or associated with either the Talaban and Al Quaeda?

 

[TucsonChuck]

You seen to believe that Islam and Al Qaeda are one in the same. I think this mistaken perception is responsible for many people's opinion on this subject.

Ok, I'm not sure which tenets of Islam are broken by Al Qaeda, so is it our, or their, perception of the teaching of the Qur'an?