Motorola will make the Nexus 5 Q4

[JHBThree]

I never said it was a hardware or software patent. My original premise:

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Perhaps Google wants to make the Nexus 5 immune to ITC import bans Apple will try to impose so they will go with Motorola manufacturing in USA

I think most of Apples lawsuits actually are mostly over software patents hence the strategy Google/Motorola is employing to get around them, ie manufacturing them in the US.

Manufacturing in the us doesn't get around software patent lawsuits.

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[Aquila]

Manufacturing in the us doesn't get around software patent lawsuits.

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The speculation speculation is there if the software is added in the US that an import ban can't be enforced. Either way, shouldn't matter, right? According to these forums, sole Apple isn't going to create new lawsuits...

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[JHBThree]

The speculation speculation is there if the software is added in the US that an import ban can't be enforced. Either way, shouldn't matter, right? According to these forums, sole Apple isn't going to create new lawsuits...

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Well, that may affect an import ban, but wouldn't affect injunctions.

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[dss2000]

Well, that may affect an import ban, but wouldn't affect injunctions.

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That's true but injunctions take much longer to obtain compared to ITC import bans. By the time you can get an injunction the model is 2 years old and not sold anymore. After winning the lawsuit in 2002 these are the model phones Apple still hasn't successfully gotten an injunction yet. Even if they were successful tomorrow who cares about a ban on the Galaxy S2 or Droid Charge?.

Galaxy S 4G
Galaxy S2 (AT&T)
Galaxy S2 (Skyrocket)
Galaxy S2 (T-Mobile)
Galaxy S2 Epic 4G
Galaxy S Showcase
Droid Charge
Galaxy Prevail
Apple identifies which Samsung products it will try to ban in US | The Verge

District courts are usually slower than the ITC, and even after final liability findings in your favor, it's still doubtful whether -- and when -- you're going to obtain meaningful remedies. The state of affairs in the first Apple v. Samsung litigation in the Northern District of California is a good example: the complaint was filed in April 2011, and in August 2012 a jury found Samsung to infringe half a dozen Apple patents. The court declined to overrule the jury on these liability findings, but Apple was denied a permanent injunction (the related appellate hearing will take place next Friday) and to date has not received even one cent of damages.​

 

[JHBThree]

That's true but injunctions take much longer to obtain compared to ITC import bans. By the time you can get an injunction the model is 2 years old and not sold anymore. After winning the lawsuit in 2002 these are the model phones Apple still hasn't successfully gotten an injunction yet. Even if they were successful tomorrow who cares about a ban on the Galaxy S2 or Droid Charge?.

Galaxy S 4G
Galaxy S2 (AT&T)
Galaxy S2 (Skyrocket)
Galaxy S2 (T-Mobile)
Galaxy S2 Epic 4G
Galaxy S Showcase
Droid Charge
Galaxy Prevail
Apple identifies which Samsung products it will try to ban in US | The Verge

District courts are usually slower than the ITC, and even after final liability findings in your favor, it's still doubtful whether -- and when -- you're going to obtain meaningful remedies. The state of affairs in the first Apple v. Samsung litigation in the Northern District of California is a good example: the complaint was filed in April 2011, and in August 2012 a jury found Samsung to infringe half a dozen Apple patents. The court declined to overrule the jury on these liability findings, but Apple was denied a permanent injunction (the related appellate hearing will take place next Friday) and to date has not received even one cent of damages.​

I think you're overestimating the length of time it takes to get an injunction, especially a temporary one. Apple was awarded numerous temporary injunctions against Samsung prior to the case going to trial. Temporary injunctions are certainly issued as fast, if not faster, than an ITC import ban. That is even more true of high profile devices.

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[dss2000]

District courts are slower than the ITC. As per my quote:
http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/08/google-says-moto-x-wont-be-subject-to.html?m=1
District courts are usually slower than the ITC, and even after final liability findings in your favor, it's still doubtful whether -- and when -- you're going to obtain meaningful remedies. The state of affairs in the first Apple v. Samsung litigation in the Northern District of California is a good example: the complaint was filed in April 2011, and in August 2012 a jury found Samsung to infringe half a dozen Apple patents. The court declined to overrule the jury on these liability findings, but Apple was denied a permanent injunction (the related appellate hearing will take place next Friday) and to date has not received even one cent of damages.

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[dss2000]

I think you're overestimating the length of time it takes to get an injunction, especially a temporary one. Apple was awarded numerous temporary injunctions against Samsung prior to the case going to trial. Temporary injunctions are certainly issued as fast, if not faster, than an ITC import ban. That is even more true of high profile devices.

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http://motoxreviews.com/the-real-reason-googles-moto-x-is-being-assembled-in-the-us/
"there are two methods of patent enforcement in the US. One is to use the courts to enforce the patent: as Mueller points out this takes a long time, is very expensive and even then isn?t all that certain. The other is to use the ITC: faster and it also has the benefit of being able to, reasonably quickly, enforce a no import rule on the offending items."

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[NoYankees44]

But then does Motorola really have the production capacity here in the us to support the next nexus along with its bolstered moto x? They would have to be pretty close in process to run down the same lines and not be expensive(something nexus has never been).

This is coming from an engineer that works in production btw...

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[dss2000]

But then does Motorola really have the production capacity here in the us to support the next nexus along with its bolstered moto x? They would have to be pretty close in process to run down the same lines and not be expensive(something nexus has never been).

This is coming from an engineer that works in production btw...

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I have no experience with that field but intuitively from this article below (see link), it looks like they have some advantages. The facility is an ex-Nokia factory previously used to make phones so they aren't starting from scratch. Also it seems that being in a Foreign Trade Zone also has some benefits in regards to duties, inspection and bringing in foreign manufactured components. Since they are just doing final assembly and components are made elsewhere they may get more throughput from the size of the facility than if they were making more of the phones basic components like a Foxcom facility. From your experience in production what do you think this would be significant?

Motorola to open smartphone plant in Fort Worth, bringing 2,000 tech jobs | Dallasnews.com - News for Dallas, Texas - The Dallas Morning News

 

[dss2000]

This is an interesting article. Gist I get is more rapid development, production line close to developers who can quickly fix production problems. Perhaps we will see more rapid innovation from Google/Motorola. We've seen how iPhone advancement seems to have slowed to a crawl.

American redux: Apple, Motorola, Lenovo and the pulse of stateside manufacturing

 

[JHBThree]

District courts are slower than the ITC. As per my quote:
http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/08/google-says-moto-x-wont-be-subject-to.html?m=1
District courts are usually slower than the ITC, and even after final liability findings in your favor, it's still doubtful whether -- and when -- you're going to obtain meaningful remedies. The state of affairs in the first Apple v. Samsung litigation in the Northern District of California is a good example: the complaint was filed in April 2011, and in August 2012 a jury found Samsung to infringe half a dozen Apple patents. The court declined to overrule the jury on these liability findings, but Apple was denied a permanent injunction (the related appellate hearing will take place next Friday) and to date has not received even one cent of damages.

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You're getting confused. If there is any possibility of infringement, the court will issue a temporary injunction that will prevent the sale of devices until the full case is heard. That happens very quickly. Far faster than any ITC ruling. Permanent injunctions (which is what your quoted posts a referencing) are a whole different issue.

 

[Ry]

But then does Motorola really have the production capacity here in the us to support the next nexus along with its bolstered moto x? They would have to be pretty close in process to run down the same lines and not be expensive(something nexus has never been).

This is coming from an engineer that works in production btw...

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Only if this supposed Motorola Nexus is assembled in China.

 

[dss2000]

You're getting confused. If there is any possibility of infringement, the court will issue a temporary injunction that will prevent the sale of devices until the full case is heard. That happens very quickly. Far faster than any ITC ruling. Permanent injunctions (which is what your quoted posts a referencing) are a whole different issue.

If it is so quick were is the temporary injunction on the :
Galaxy S 4G
Galaxy S2 (AT&T)
Galaxy S2 (Skyrocket)
Galaxy S2 (T-Mobile)
Galaxy S2 Epic 4G
Galaxy S Showcase
Droid Charge
Galaxy Prevail

Apple won that case a year ago.

 

[JHBThree]

If it is so quick were is the temporary injunction on the :
Galaxy S 4G
Galaxy S2 (AT&T)
Galaxy S2 (Skyrocket)
Galaxy S2 (T-Mobile)
Galaxy S2 Epic 4G
Galaxy S Showcase
Droid Charge
Galaxy Prevail

Apple won that case a year ago.

A temporary injunction was granted against those devices before the case began. After the verdict was reached, the judge declined to make that injunction permanent because apple could not prove the necessary harm.

Again, I think you're confused between temporary and permanent injunctions. Temporary injunctions are issued before the case is heard if the judge believes the plaintiff has a high likelihood of prevailing.

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[return_0]

The nexus 10 was a different situation. That screen is what held up that production.

There were also indications that LG was not up to the task of producing enough phones for Google. They also were completely out of their league when it came to forecasting where sales occurred.

What about the reports that Google simply had not ordered enough phones to be produced (since they placed the order for the phones to be sold on the Play Store) because of low expectations?

 

[JHBThree]

What about the reports that Google simply had not ordered enough phones to be produced (since they placed the order for the phones to be sold on the Play Store) because of low expectations?

I don't recall seeing such a report. I do, however, recall seeing multiple reports that the stock was misallocated between different markets. I also recall several reports that LG took far too long to spool up production and add additional capacity.

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[return_0]

I don't recall seeing such a report. I do, however, recall seeing multiple reports that the stock was misallocated between different markets. I also recall several reports that LG took far too long to spool up production and add additional capacity.

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Is the Nexus 5 based on the LG G2? - Android Authority

Additionally, it was not LG that erred in the intial batch of Nexus 4?s that were produced; rather, Google?s initial orders were very small as they didn?t expect it to sell that well.

 

[JHBThree]

Is the Nexus 5 based on the LG G2? - Android Authority

Somehow I don't think android authority is a credible source. I'll take the word of LG and Google themselves, neither of which said that.

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[return_0]

Somehow I don't think android authority is a credible source. I'll take the word of LG and Google themselves, neither of which said that.

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LG and Google themselves said that LG was unable to produce enough units to keep up with N4 sales? I don't remember seeing that.

 

[JHBThree]

LG and Google themselves said that LG was unable to produce enough units to keep up with N4 sales? I don't remember seeing that.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57559587/nexus-4-shortage-because-of-supplier-says-google-exec/