Mr Mobile U 11 review

I posted this (loooong) comment on the Mr. Mobile review yesterday. It pretty much sums up my feelings about all reviewers who give the phone an unfair review. It's clear there are other motivations that make them say awry statements, because the phone itself is so factually amazing, that when these reviewers give it negative marks, it's clear that they're reviewing on a basis of sheer bias or, even a boost to their bank acct from the competitor (imo). Post is long yeah, but who here in the forum shares the same sentiments?...

"I'm an avid fan of your channel, Michael Fisher. Very well produced videos, compelling and sensible reviews, all delivered by a charismatic and passionate host. But this review in particular, I find really fishy. It just doesn't add up. Admittedly I am an HTC fan, yes, but that won't get in the way of what I believe are objective observations I noticed from this video. Hear me out.

The main basis of my suspicion about this review, is how you reviewed the HTC 10. In your own words, it was "The best Android phone you aren't buying". I will not go through the whole list of what the 10 offered, since I believe it's still all fresh in our minds. Yes, it was, and still is a solid phone. Then a year after, here comes the U11. Long story short, if you'd observe both phones, it's safe to conclude that the U11 is everything the HTC 10 is, and more (save for the selfie cam with OIS and 3.5 jack perhaps). If such is the case, then why the sudden negativity over this 2017 HTC flagship?

How about we do a run through of what many people/ fans were clamoring for HTC to implement: 1) An IP67 or 68 rating. People were short of furious as to why HTC won't make a damn phone that has good waterproofing. For goodness sake, it was 2016 (back then). 2) A good gimmick. While a gimmick is a gimmick, it certainly makes a phone NOT BORING. Hey there's that word BORING. Because what was the HTC 10 called last year? BORING because it had no gimmicks. 3) Loud Boomsound. To be more exact, people wanted the front facing speakers back. and 4) Good, fair pricing. Especially after the disappointing U Ultra being sold at a ridiculous price vs what it had to offer.

Now let's have a look at the HTC U11... Doesn't it have ALL OF THE ABOVE?? Save for the front facing speakers, but it's still really loud and arguably comparable to the audio powerhouse that was the M8. It just makes no sense for a negative review when the main features that were wished for were finally delivered; again, especially when the predecessor phone was so highly praised by you and many others. What I am saying is, the HTC U11 is pretty much an improved HTC 10, sporting the 4 additional points I mentioned above... And then you give it a negative review??? Makes no sense after you gave the 10 such stellar marks.

To delve even further on how I find this review suspicious, let's look at the points you focused your negativity on: 1) The front face. 2) The name (REALLY??). 3) The contradiction of the fast software blunted by Edge Sense (the "extraneous gimmick) and 4) Slick multimedia features without a big battery to back it up. Ok, the points you bring up are either very superficial and nitpicky (numbers 1 and 2), or don't add up (3 and 4). Are you really going to give more value and focus to the bezelfull front face and name, over all the other more important features? About the "The contradiction of the fast software blunted by Edge Sense" - How exactly does the "extraneous gimmick" blunt the fast software?? You know if Edge Sense affected the user experience and slowed down the phone, sure go ahead with your claim. But it doesn't, so isn't it supposed to a novel add-on instead?? About the "Slick multimedia features without a big battery to back it up" - Why again are people making this an issue when a) The battery fairs well despite the relatively small size due to the SD 835 processing features, and b) The S8 has the same size too and it fairs well itself!

It's crystal clear that you nitpicked on the things that you can, to overrule all the other more important and relevant features this phone has to offer. And well, if you are going to do that on a phone that's actually really good, you're gonna look pretty stupid and obvious. Yeah, that's why you went after the name. I think I've seen enough of your videos to know how you think and rationalize, and if your review of the HTC U11 was really honest, the tone of this review would have been completely different. Another user commented this on another post: "Samsung pockets are deep and they go full power on marketing (youtubers included)". I am pretty sure that's what happened here."
 
I don't think that's the case tbh.

I've watched the review over and over and over again until I got bored.

I didn't feel that it was overwhelmingly negative. Just that it felt much more of a "meh" type of review.

I mean, he did praise the camera, software performance, rear case design, water-resistance among other things, but I guess the part where he said that people are either going to spring for phones like the S8 or 3T may have caused some concern for some.

Keep in mind that this is only my observation, but I'm not seeing a huge sense of negativity. Instead, all I'm seeing is a huge blast of "meh". And I'm not talking about the phone.

Not saying you're wrong because I actually find that I agree with some of your points. I'm just not seeing the huge rush of negativity. Instead, the feeling that came to me was that it was pretty meh (the review). It's not terrible but also not the best he is capable of. I liked the One M8 Pocketnow review.

I kinda had the same sentiment in the Galaxy S8 camera review from Pocketnow, only for Juan to actually acknowledge the nitpicking at the very end.
 
Yeah that's real long lol or maybe it looks longer because I'm reading it on my phone but I agree with some of your points
 
Yup.. I'll have to agree with your sentiment here.

I just watched Android Authority's review of the same phone and come away with a entirely different feeling about the presented material.

While I'm not a crazed fan who has ever clamored for tiny bezels or a glass back, neither of them are very practical in the real world for people in my line of work, but HTC's design is a good compromise and looks very good.

I would wager that most people, once these phones are out and can actually use them will see his review as what it really is.. and I am also quite sure he will feel very foolish for not presenting it better.

Mac
 
Yup.. I'll have to agree with your sentiment here.

I just watched Android Authority's review of the same phone and come away with a entirely different feeling about the presented material.

While I'm not a crazed fan who has ever clamored for tiny bezels or a glass back, neither of them are very practical in the real world for people in my line of work, but HTC's design is a good compromise and looks very good.

I would wager that most people, once these phones are out and can actually use them will see his review as what it really is.. and I am also quite sure he will feel very foolish.

Mac
I watched the Pocketnow review. That one has a more positive feel.
 
I watched the Pocketnow review. That one has a more positive feel.

Yup.

One of the things that is brought up and committed on is being only one carrier availability..

Since none of us actually know the reasoning behind this, does cause some concern for sales. I would like to think that HTC refused to gimp the phone as Verizon and AT&T always insist on... If this were the actual case, it would be a good thing IMHO... Lol

Mac
 
Yup.

One of the things that is brought up and committed on is being only one carrier availability..

Since none of us actually know the reasoning behind this, does cause some concern for sales. I would like to think that HTC refused to gimp the phone as Verizon and AT&T always insist on... If this were the actual case, it would be a good thing IMHO... Lol

Mac
I think HTC might be gunning for a different strategy.

They can't win at the mainstream, so they're going to try to aim for a smaller market, specifically HTC fans or people wanting an S8 alternative that has an 835 and has a 16:9 display.

HTC should capitalize on that, because it's the one thing that stands out right now aside from Edge Sense.
 
I think HTC might be gunning for a different strategy.

They can't win at the mainstream, so they're going to try to aim for a smaller market, specifically HTC fans or people wanting an S8 alternative that has an 835 and has a 16:9 display.

HTC should capitalize on that, because it's the one thing that stands out right now aside from Edge Sense.

Those two things aren't the only thing that really sets it apart though... While certainly very important let us not forget it's audio capabilities and camera ability.

Folks tend to key in on just one or two things, and HTC has put way more into this phone than just being a alternative to the Samsung s8. I feel that they have steadily improved enough to get one again.

One thing all OEMs want is for people to buy the phone and if people want it bad enough they will, even if they have to switch carriers to do so... Word of mouth is a good tool to use, just like good/great reviews.. hence what HTC is doing. I do wish that they would take a more aggressive approach to to advertising, but that has never been a strong suit of them. I made the switch to Sprint from AT&T btw .. This phone is one of the reasons, albeit not the only reason, but was a major factor in my choice.

If I am disappointed with it for some reason, I have every intention of making it known, this is something that I have always done with any phone as well as any carrier.

Mac
 
Those two things aren't the only thing that really sets it apart though... While certainly very important let us not forget it's audio capabilities and camera ability.
Of course. The camera is apparently really good.

I'm not really surprised. The DxO score gave some optimism and it's a nice evolutionary progress from the 10 and UU.

USonic is nice, but I do miss having a built-in 3.5mm jack. Not entirely sure whether someone will eventually sell a good splitter so I can charge while using the earbuds. It's the one gripe I have with the Moto Z I'm using now as a daily.
 
The camera is apparently really good.

I'm not really surprised. The DxO score gave some optimism and it's a nice evolutionary progress from the 10 and UU.

USonic is nice, but I do miss having a built-in 3.5mm jack. Not entirely sure whether someone will eventually sell a good splitter so I can charge while using the earbuds.

I'm 100% understanding on the charging issue... and am quite confident that someone will make it available.. The built in jack is nice but if the supplied dac /adapter sounds great with my great Sensinhimer buds or even my high end Sony's then that will be a great thing..

I just got a email from Sprint that my phones are coming tomorrow next day mail.. Looks like a fun weekend is coming up... Lol

Mac
 
I'm 100% understanding on the charging issue... and am quite confident that someone will make it available.. The built in jack is nice but if the supplied dac /adapter sounds great with my great Sensinhimer buds or even my high end Sony's then that will be a great thing..

I just got a email from Sprint that my phones are coming tomorrow next day mail.. Looks like a fun weekend is coming up... Lol

Mac
Keep us updated.

I'm curious over how well the DAC drives nice cans. The PNow audio review didn't instill much confidence. I'll need more data points before I can paint a better picture.
 
That's what I'm interested in finding out too!

Don't want to have to depend on the HTC buds to get the HQ DAC experience, as solid as they are.
 
I'm 100% understanding on the charging issue... and am quite confident that someone will make it available.. The built in jack is nice but if the supplied dac /adapter sounds great with my great Sensinhimer buds or even my high end Sony's then that will be a great thing..

I just got a email from Sprint that my phones are coming tomorrow next day mail.. Looks like a fun weekend is coming up... Lol

Mac
Right on. Looks like I rejoined the thread just in time.
 
I don't think that's the case tbh.

I've watched the review over and over and over again until I got bored.

I didn't feel that it was overwhelmingly negative. Just that it felt much more of a "meh" type of review.

I mean, he did praise the camera, software performance, rear case design, water-resistance among other things, but I guess the part where he said that people are either going to spring for phones like the S8 or 3T may have caused some concern for some.

Keep in mind that this is only my observation, but I'm not seeing a huge sense of negativity. Instead, all I'm seeing is a huge blast of "meh". And I'm not talking about the phone.

Not saying you're wrong because I actually find that I agree with some of your points. I'm just not seeing the huge rush of negativity. Instead, the feeling that came to me was that it was pretty meh (the review). It's not terrible but also not the best he is capable of. I liked the One M8 Pocketnow review.

I kinda had the same sentiment in the Galaxy S8 camera review from Pocketnow, only for Juan to actually acknowledge the nitpicking at the very end.

I guess I'm not saying that the review was overly negative. My main point is that the review seems suspicious considering that the 11 is a clear ugrade of the 10 (a phone he loved), and yet gives it, in your own words, a "meh" review. Even to the extent of directly recommending other phones, and nitpicking on qualities that don't make sense (the U11 name for example).

I think the whole tone/ objective of the review was: Find something about the phone to bash, but yet speak well of it generally since it's actually a good phone, but at the end of the day you're better off buying other phones.

Looking at the bigger picture, and knowing how Michael Fischer reviews phones, his inconsistency with this review makes me think there are other motivations that made him make this "meh" review.

On another note, why haven't MKBHD, Supersaf, Linus, and Krystal Key reviewed this phone yet? Not even a hands on or first look.

I know that MKBHD always posts late reviews, but I think it's pretty late already.
 
I guess I'm not saying that the review was overly negative. My main point is that the review seems suspicious considering that the 11 is a clear ugrade of the 10 (a phone he loved), and yet gives it, in your own words, a "meh" review. Even to the extent of directly recommending other phones, and nitpicking on qualities that don't make sense (the U11 name for example).

I think the whole tone/ objective of the review was: Find something about the phone to bash, but yet speak well of it generally since it's actually a good phone, but at the end of the day you're better off buying other phones.

Looking at the bigger picture, and knowing how Michael Fischer reviews phones, his inconsistency with this review makes me think there are other motivations that made him make this "meh" review.

On another note, why haven't MKBHD, Supersaf, Linus, and Krystal Key reviewed this phone yet? Not even a hands on or first look.

I know that MKBHD always posts late reviews, but I think it's pretty late already.
I'm not sure why MKBHD hasn't reviewed the phone. He didn't review the LG G5 and V20 last year.

I don't want to speculate, so I won't say anything else, but it is puzzling.

I'm familiar with how Michael reviews stuff, so even though I am still sticking to my point of a review being a subjective account of one's experience, I can't help but feel that the review lacked his usual flair.

At the end of the day, the U11 might not be a headline grabber, but it is still a genuinely great device.
 
Anything without Samsung or Apple's logo stamped on it, is unlikely to gather overall praise, enthusiastic tone during reviews, and void of snarky, satirical, or sarcastic remarks when being covered by the more prominent tech reviewers. I'm not surprised at how the clear bias and favoritism has been reserved for the big two. I know there are exceptions, and some manufacturers are spared the hammering.
 
Anything without Samsung or Apple's logo stamped on it, is unlikely to gather overall praise, enthusiastic tone during reviews, and void of snarky, satirical, or sarcastic remarks when being covered by the more prominent tech reviewers. I'm not surprised at how the clear bias and favoritism has been reserved for the big two. I know there are exceptions, and some manufacturers are spared the hammering.
That wasn't the case last year with the Mr Mobile HTC 10 review, though.

And I've seen a lot of other reviews for the U11 and they seem pretty good.
 
Anything without Samsung or Apple's logo stamped on it, is unlikely to gather overall praise, enthusiastic tone during reviews, and void of snarky, satirical, or sarcastic remarks when being covered by the more prominent tech reviewers. I'm not surprised at how the clear bias and favoritism has been reserved for the big two. I know there are exceptions, and some manufacturers are spared the hammering.
I think I've said this already, but the G6 received pretty fantastic reviews. It's not "reserved" for Apple/Samsung. And I've watched some pretty glowing reviews for Chinese OEMs too.

It's also possible some folks just don't like the phone. Different strokes man.
 
I think I've said this already, but the G6 received pretty fantastic reviews. It's not "reserved" for Apple/Samsung. And I've watched some pretty glowing reviews for Chinese OEMs too.

It's also possible some folks just don't like the phone. Different strokes man.

That's why I added the "with exceptions" clause at the end. However the day I hear the same condescending tone, liberal use of satire, and resentful mood during a review for something Samsung or Apple makes, I might draw a different conclusion towards the perceived bias and double-standard from these reviewers. Case in point:

These reviewers weren't clamoring for wireless charging until Samsung did it. HTC wasn't given the same credence when they did it.

Water resistance wasn't an expected feature until Samsung implemented it. Sony was not given the same credence when they did it.

Tiny bezels weren't a trend to follow until Samsung implemented it. Sharp and Xiaomi weren't given the same credence when they did it.

Loading the camera software with bells and whistles wasn't a good thing until Samsung or Apple did it. Prior to, they were just gimmicky and probably wouldn't be that useful for users (ex. HTC selective focus, Sony's live masking feature, HTC Zoe pre-capture feature, etc.,)

Apple iPhone's differ little in design per iteration, but that's not a bad thing because people will put a case on them. The HTC M9 didn't deviate much from the M8, and it was Armageddon. This coming from the Verge.

With that said, not liking a device or providing criticism isn't the issue. When clear disinterest is displayed along with hypocrisy, that's when I question why they even bother with the "review" to begin with. Why not skip it, instead of tormenting themselves with having to cover it?
 

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