My Rant on the iPhone 5s

[21stNow]

I sure hope you're being sarcastic. Because that's extremely biased if it isn't sarcasm.

I agree with Pappy53, even though I'm not happy about it. Look at it this way: NFC chips were in legacy BlackBerry devices, BB10 devices, recent Windows Phone devices and Android phones going back to at least December of 2010 (Nexus S). Widespread NFC use (among consumers) has not caught on yet. It doesn't take Apple "doing it right" in the hardware to make NFC use grow. It takes Apple's marketing of it being a great feature for NFC use to grow. Fingerprint scanners have been around on computing devices and even mobile phones for most of this century. Yet, on 9/10/13, it became the greatest thing since melted butter.

 

[Haalcyon]

Read what I said again. Samsung tries to make its plastic look like something else, from the faux metal plastic band, to the brushed pattern on the battery cover. Apple says that it should look like plastic, because that's what it is. THEY were the ones saying it was better, not me.


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You know, the whole Samsung uses plastic thing is a conundrum so I'll give the topic a few seconds. Are they doing it to be cheap or to make my devices more durable? A bit of both I think. They could use carbon fiber or kevlar for durability...but that would cost them more because most folks wouldn't want to pay extra for it. A good amount of us keep their phone in a case and Sammy is capitalizing on that too me thinks. I used to be the oh-so-critical voice of their use of plastic back when I was caught in The Reality Distortion Field. Something about the S3 brought me out of it...felt like I'd woke up from the Matrix. I love the way my Belkin-cased S4 feels in hand as do I my Otterbox Defended Note 8.0. Would I love them more if Sammy used kevlar or aluminum. Yea probably. Do I like idea of plastic made to look like leather? Not really but I'll reserve judgement until I see it in person.

For the record, whatever grade of aluminum Apple is using for the iPhone doesn't seem as tough as what they're using for the MBA and MBP or what HTC is usung for the One. It scratches and dents if you look at it too hard. That was my biggest problem with the iPhone 5. Personally, I think my S4 may be more durable.

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[htabbach]

I agree with Pappy53, even though I'm not happy about it. Look at it this way: NFC chips were in legacy BlackBerry devices, BB10 devices, recent Windows Phone devices and Android phones going back to at least December of 2010 (Nexus S). Widespread NFC use (among consumers) has not caught on yet. It doesn't take Apple "doing it right" in the hardware to make NFC use grow. It takes Apple's marketing of it being a great feature for NFC use to grow. Fingerprint scanners have been around on computing devices and even mobile phones for most of this century. Yet, on 9/10/13, it became the greatest thing since melted butter.

Oh, come on man! Fingerprint scanners in the past did not get big because they were not done right, you know that! Listen, I can go down to an electronic store and get a bunch of ****, put it together and call it a time machine, it does not work but i invented it! Fingerprint scanners were not done right and you know it, otherwise they would have been mainstream by now.

 

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

You cannot fool a sub dermal fingerprint scanner using anything other than the persons finger. I'm sorry you have been misinformed about it.

I try to stay out of this sort of thing, because I don't care which phone you use. But when Apple announces something that will give millions of consumers a false sense of security, I have to at least tell the folks in our forums a few very major drawbacks.

You don't have to fool it, when it's stored on the phone as a "digital" file.

You have 10 points that must fit a boolean logic scheme. This can be cracked in seconds, using just the processor on the iPhone itself.
Fingerprint matching is horrible security until you reach the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of reference points used by secure installations.

Apple showed 10. Essentially, this means you have a 10-character length "passphrase" where every character is either a one or a zero. "Real" encryption has to be involved to protect this file ? real encryption that you do not have the passphrase to, and must trust Apple and the iOS developers with. See how well that worked out for bitcoin speculators using Android last month.

This is not security. It's better than nothing, which is what most people use, but don't go walking around thinking you're "safe."
There's no way in hell I would trust my devices with it.

Back to acting like Jackasses, sorry for the interruption

 

[21stNow]

Oh, come on woman! (FTFY) Fingerprint scanners in the past did not get big because they were not done right, you know that! Listen, I can go down to an electronic store and get a bunch of ****, put it together and call it a time machine, it does not work but i invented it! Fingerprint scanners were not done right and you know it, otherwise they would have been mainstream by now.

Actually, I don't know that. I only used one fingerprint scanner in the past, and it wasn't on a mobile device. I used it on a Microsoft keyboard on my desktop. The fingerprint scanner worked well for what its intended purpose was. However, that intended purpose was to work with Internet Explorer, and I stopped using that as my browser.

People will use the fingerprint scanners on their iPhones because Apple told them to. We'll see if usage continues, or if it drops off like Siri usage did.

 

[htabbach]

I try to stay out of this sort of thing, because I don't care which phone you use. But when Apple announces something that will give millions of consumers a false sense of security, I have to at least tell the folks in our forums a few very major drawbacks.

You don't have to fool it, when it's stored on the phone as a "digital" file.

You have 10 points that must fit a boolean logic scheme. This can be cracked in seconds, using just the processor on the iPhone itself.
Fingerprint matching is horrible security until you reach the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of reference points used by secure installations.

Apple showed 10. Essentially, this means you have a 10-character length "passphrase" where every character is either a one or a zero. "Real" encryption has to be involved to protect this file ? real encryption that you do not have the passphrase to, and must trust Apple and the iOS developers with. See how well that worked out for bitcoin speculators using Android last month.

This is not security. It's better than nothing, which is what most people use, but don't go walking around thinking you're "safe."
There's no way in hell I would trust my devices with it.

Back to acting like Jackasses, sorry for the interruption

So, you are saying that if this scanner actually works as advertised, fast and accurate, it would be less secure than a 4 digit passcode? Of course not. If the phone is stolen by a major hacker then yes, they may be able to crack it, not easier than cracking a 4 digit passcode though!

This feature in my own personal view, is the best feature that Apple implemented in years. I hate pass codes with passion, I unlock my phone about 20 times an hour and I refuse to implement a pass code although my phone got stolen and people got to my data but i still refuse to use it. How great would it be to just touch the home button and the phone unlocks? Only by you? I cannot wait to try it.

 

[21stNow]

The M7 can track when you are driving or walking and adjusts Apple or Google maps(when Google updates it to take advantage of it) to either mode. Plus you've got it knowing when you are sleeping so it pings the network a whole lot less. The dual flash with the software can produce over 1000 colour and intensity levels. Plus you have basically an 8 ultra pixel camera with HD Slo Mo video and normal video recorded at 120FPS.slo mo is at 60 FPS. The die size and the nm process is smaller therefore it is more efficient and the battery capacity has gotten a slight boost. On top of all that the GPU takes full advantage of the 64 bit computing opportunity a d graphics really look stunning.

Fingerprint scanner is sorta gimmicky right now but it has huge potential. Please don't call the 5S a small upgrade when it isn't.

This was a major upgrade no matter which way you look at it.

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So are you wearing out the copy and paste key with this post? I hope that your checks from Apple are big enough to put a smile on your face.

 

[htabbach]

Actually, I don't know that. I only used one fingerprint scanner in the past, and it wasn't on a mobile device. I used it on a Microsoft keyboard on my desktop. The fingerprint scanner worked well for what its intended purpose was. However, that intended purpose was to work with Internet Explorer, and I stopped using that as my browser.

People will use the fingerprint scanners on their iPhones because Apple told them to. We'll see if usage continues, or if it drops off like Siri usage did.

Wow, I am not going to use it because Apple told me, I have been waiting on something like this for a while! Read my post above....

 

[htabbach]

So are you wearing out the copy and paste key with this post? I hope that your checks from Apple are big enough to put a smile on your face.

You don't get technology, do you? You do not even understand what forward thinking is, wait for the October Apple event about the new iPads and Apple TV and then come back and think about what's new in the iPhone 5S and then you will get the big picture, until then, enjoy your lagging Android device.

 

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

So, you are saying that if this scanner actually works as advertised, fast and accurate, it would be less secure than a 4 digit passcode? Of course not. If the phone is stolen by a major hacker then yes, they may be able to crack it, not easier than cracking a 4 digit passcode though!

This feature in my own personal view, is the best feature that Apple implemented in years. I hate pass codes with passion, I unlock my phone about 20 times an hour and I refuse to implement a pass code although my phone got stolen and people got to my data but i still refuse to use it. How great would it be to just touch the home button and the phone unlocks? Only by you? I cannot wait to try it.

That is exactly what I am saying. A 10 squared is much easier number to crack than 4 to the power of 10.

Math does not lie. If Apple has this master file encrypted* (and I'm sure they do) who has the password for that? Nobody, because it's generated with the file using a psudeo-random number generator.

This gets people in trouble all the time. Ask Google

As I said. It's better than nothing. Just don't believe it's secure.

EDIT: *Apple will have the master file encrypted to make sure someone can't just crack it. They won't leave it wide open.

 

[monkeyluis]

All you need is a rooted device and you're good to go.

Cause that's such an easy option for everyone. That shouldn't even be an option to get timely updates. They should just happen. Remember the majority of smartphone users are not a bunch of nerds.

 

[htabbach]

That is exactly what I am saying. A 10 squared is much easier number to crack than 4 to the power of 10.

Math does not lie. If Apple has this master file encrypted* (and I'm sure they do) who has the password for that? Nobody, because it's generated with the file using a psudeo-random number generator.

This gets people in trouble all the time. Ask Google

As I said. It's better than nothing. Just don't believe it's secure.

EDIT: *Apple will have the master file encrypted to make sure someone can't just crack it. They won't leave it wide open.

No mobile phone will be completely secure, I am not debating you on that but identity protection organizations have been pushing for biometric security on personal devices for a while now because it is more secure than other methods. This scanner is intended to protect your personal information in case your device is stolen. Believe me, people hate pass codes, and as a result, they do not use it. This should allow people to feel a bit better if their phone is stolen, I am one of them. And i repeat, if your phone is stolen by a major hacker, nothing will protect it, but that is the exception and not the rule.

 

[DroidArmy]

You don't get technology, do you? You do not even understand what forward thinking is, wait for the October Apple event about the new iPads and Apple TV and then come back and think about what's new in the iPhone 5S and then you will get the big picture, until then, enjoy your lagging Android device.

Ooh that's not going to go over well. I'm pretty sure you just pissed off the majority of the people here by calling android laggy, including me. Wanna use my phone for a week? I assure you it's lag free and fast as hell. The only time android is "laggy" is if it is an older version, not properly optimized (within reason), or running on bad hardware. My Android phone can outperform your iPhone in a heartbeat. Plus it has more features and stuff, so that's a bonus.

 

[htabbach]

Ooh that's not going to go over well. I'm pretty sure you just pissed off the majority of the people here by calling android laggy, including me. Wanna use my phone for a week? I assure you it's lag free and fast as hell. The only time android is "laggy" is if it is an older version, not properly optimized (within reason), or running on bad hardware. My Android phone can outperform your iPhone in a heartbeat. Plus it has more features and stuff, so that's a bonus.

Yeah, that was a bit harsh but that person started the non sense , I apologize! But I used Android on all OS versions, and was much laggier than my iPhone now

 

[21stNow]

RE: unlocked versions of phones. Android has a TON of unlocked versions of phones. There's just one problem (edit: actually there's more than one problem). The majority of them are prohibitively expensive for the average person that's used to spending ~$200 for a device on contract. Not to mention they aren't generally available in the US without going through an importer.

So, with those two things being the case, we've just ruled out 99% of the people that buy phones.

Arguing about updates when compared to Apple is dumb. Apple just does it better. Regardless of if they strip features out for older hardware, they do the updates right. You're most likely going to get some kind of newness each year for the two years you own the device, not to mention the much smaller updates you get to improve stability and security (otherwise known as fixing the jailbreak exploit). Fact is, OEM's need to learn from Apple in this regard.

Maybe one day the majority of people on Android will use a Nexus device, or unlocked devices will be cheap enough that most people will use them. Until that's the case, give up on the updates argument guys. You're grasping at straws.

No tech company gets all of the updates right, meaning on-time and without bugs, and Apple is not an exception to this. The update to fix the proximity sensor issues was the reason that I regretted buying an iPhone 4 (the only Apple product that I have owned). I went to the Apple store to ask about this update, as my phone did not have a problem with the proximity sensor before the update but it did after the update. The guy at the store told me how the update "fixed" the problem and I was speechless. I'm no engineer, but the explanation didn't seem sensible to me. I didn't exchange my phone when the Apple rep couldn't tell me whether the replacement phone would be new or refurbished. I settled on using a Bluetooth device to talk on the iPhone from that point on. It left me with a very sour taste in my mouth toward Apple. As someone who wasn't an Apple fan to begin with, it made me very hesitant to return to their products.

I don't say this to berate Apple's customer service. While I don't care for it, it far exceeds Google's customer service.

 

[DroidArmy]

Cause that's such an easy option for everyone. That shouldn't even be an option to get timely updates. They should just happen. Remember the majority of smartphone users are not a bunch of nerds.

True, but as I've said before cf auto root makes it easy. It's basically one click now. And the majority of smartphone users aren't idiots right? I'm sure if they followed some simple instructions they could root if they wished

 

[return_0]

You don't get technology, do you? You do not even understand what forward thinking is, wait for the October Apple event about the new iPads and Apple TV and then come back and think about what's new in the iPhone 5S and then you will get the big picture, until then, enjoy your lagging Android device.

I have a Nexus 4; it never lags. It's that Apple fan mindset that Samsung = Android, ugh.

 

[DroidArmy]

Yeah, that was a bit harsh but that person started the non sense , I apologize! But I used Android on all OS versions, and was much laggier than my iPhone now

Apology accepted, don't worry about it. We all slip sometimes. I don't personally see the lag, it works flawlessly (most of the time except when my phone has a mini meltdown). But yes, android did have a huge lag issue a while ago. It has been fixed or at least greatly reduced now though

 

[anon(883913)]

I am SO glad someone else feels the way I do! I wrote something similar to this last year with the iPhone 5 launch and it covered about the same topics sans the fingerprint scanner. I'm not sure if you watched the live-blog yesterday or not but I literally had another tab open with the stock prices and it became quite comical seeing Tim Cook on stage presenting his "new, revolutionary, one of a kind, never been done before, totally amazing" smartphone and then watching the investors' reactions. Its obvious that a lot of people are starting to see right through Apple's BS of withholding features from a product JUST so they can announce that feature a year or two later and call it amazing in order to get everyone to upgrade.

Just my $0.02!

 

[DroidArmy]

I am SO glad someone else feels the way I do! I wrote something similar to this last year with the iPhone 5 launch and it covered about the same topics sans the fingerprint scanner. I'm not sure if you watched the live-blog yesterday or not but I literally had another tab open with the stock prices and it became quite comical seeing Tim Cook on stage presenting his "new, revolutionary, one of a kind, never been done before, totally amazing" smartphone and then watching the investors' reactions. Its obvious that a lot of people are starting to see right through Apple's BS of withholding features from a product JUST so they can announce that feature a year or two later and call it amazing in order to get everyone to upgrade.

Just my $0.02!

I agree with you completely. And yes I did watch the live keynote. It didn't impress me at all