My Rant on the iPhone 5s

[anon5664829]

That's your opinion.

It's completely false for me, since I actually use NFC.

Same thing goes for the fingerprint scanner don't ya think?

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[neonworm]

Same thing goes for the fingerprint scanner don't ya think?

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I think the fingerprint scanner is actually useful.

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[return_0]

Same thing goes for the fingerprint scanner don't ya think?

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I never said the fingerprint scanner was useless.

 

[return_0]

NFC will never amount to much, unless Apple adopts it. That's just the way it is.

I sure hope you're being sarcastic. Because that's extremely biased if it isn't sarcasm.

 

[pappy53]

I sure hope you're being sarcastic. Because that's extremely biased if it isn't sarcasm.

Not being sarcastic or biased. But the ongoing truth is that trends develop when Apple implements something. I would bet that the next new Androids that come out will have fingerprint scanners. Maybe not the next, but ones in the near future.

 

[return_0]

Not being sarcastic or biased. But the ongoing truth is that trends develop when Apple implements something. I would bet that the next new Androids that come out will have fingerprint scanners. Maybe not the next, but ones in the near future.

That was true in the past, but recently it's become quite the opposite. Since 2010, Android OEMs have been giving phones LTE capabilities, and Apple followed suit in 2012. They also tried to jump on the large screen bandwagon in 2012, when phones had been increasing in size for several years prior. The same goes for the iPad mini, which came out after several 7" tablets had already been released, a few becoming quite successful without Apple setting a precedent.

 

[nj1266]

To fool it you would have to cut off the persons finger, and that still might not work since it will read the pulse too.

Even cutting the finger off and using it will not work. It was mentioned in the reveal today on one of the tech sites that were covering it.

 

[nj1266]

I was a apple guy back in the day my personal opinion is the iphone 4 was the last good phone they released I remember when the iPhone 4s was announced I was so pissed it looked the same as my 4 I switched to android and I have not looked back after today's announcement it just reaffirms iPhone is dead to me

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If you were an Apple guy like you claim to be, then you would have known that Apple has a pattern of releasing phones. iphone 3g-->iphone3gs-->iphone 4-->iphone 4s-->iphone 5-->iphone 5s. That is the pattern and Apple has followed that pattern since the 3g. And more than likely Apple will follow that pattern with the iphone 6-->iphone 6s. People who get annoyed at Apple not doing what they want Apple to do, are clearly not paying attention to that pattern.

 

[nj1266]

Well they do sooo.......

No they do not. If you were an objective person, you would clearly see that there are many changes internal to the iphone 5S that are not in the iphone 5. A new A7 processor with 64 bit that will allow the 5 to use more graphic intensive games. At the unveiling today, Infinity Blade 3 was displayed. This new game will not work properly on the iphone 5 and will be on sale alongside the iphone 5s. There will be other apps down the line that will require 64 bit processing power, I am sure.

There is the M7 processor that will be needed for new high powered health apps. That is coming to the App store as well.

There is a better camera with 1.5?m pixel size that will allow the camera to take better low light pictures. There is the larger f2.2 aperture. The lens is new with 15% more leans area.

And then there is the finger print sensor, that if it works as advertised, will be a god send to people like me who constantly open their phone between sets at the gym while I rest. I hate to enter my code everytime I have to unlock my phone. It is one of my big issues with smartphone. Dumb phones never had this problem.

 

[abazigal]

That doesn't mean it is not useful.

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It just means that while useful to you, it remains largely useless or underutilized to the majority of the smartphone user base.

The question then would be "Why isn't NFC catching on, what can be done to spur its addition, and if a better alternative might exist for its varied use cases."

 

[JHBThree]

That doesn't mean it is not useful.

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Its marginally useful. Any technology that requires a physical tap to send content isn't going to make it in the long run. The only thing NFC is good for is mobile payments, and we all know how well that's going.

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[JHBThree]

I sure hope you're being sarcastic. Because that's extremely biased if it isn't sarcasm.

It may be biased, but its true. When apple rolls out something like NFC, they make sure there is an adequate (read: large) infrastructure to support it. Google tried and failed with wallet, for a reason. You can bet that if apple chose to include NFC, none of the carrier shenanigans that have crippled wallet would exist.
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[JHBThree]

Except a survey on whether or not people use NFC on their phone should probably be restricted to people who have phones with NFC.
Remember, most Android phones are Samsung, most Samsung users switched because of marketing, and a large amount of Samsung's marketing was showcasing NFC.

But besides, that wouldn't prove anything. The usefulness of a feature doesn't depend on how many people use it. That's like saying the quality of a phone is determined by the number of units sold.

If people don't even know what NFC is and if their phones have it, how is it useful again?

Also, its funny that you mention Samsung's marketing, because that's done a lot of damage to NFC. People have no idea what it is, and many would think its just a samsung thing.

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[Highrisedrifter]

Please note that the below is purely my opinion and should not be taken as gospel. Your mileage may vary.

I have an iPhone 5, iPad 2, Samsung Galaxy S2 and an HTC One and to be honest I love all my devices. I watched the new iPhone reveal with some interest as I am due to replace my aging Samsung Galaxy S2 with a newer device and i'm considering either the new iPhone 5S or a Galaxy Note 3 (yes, totally different types of devices, I know). I love the idea of the fingerprint scanner and like the one of my laptop, I initially thought it would be pretty easy to circumvent. Reading the comments on here though and the limited info I have had time to find on the internet, it seems I was wrong and that it is in fact much more secure than I had previously thought. Interesting.

To be honest, what would make me go back to Apple instantly would be if they brought out a phone with a bigger screen, something like 5 inches or so.

I have a lot of features on my HTC that I just don't use, like the hotly debated NFC here in this thread. there aren't many places that use NFC payment systems nearby and I can't think of the last time I wanted to share a picture to or from another friend. Don't get me wrong, i'm sure i've done it before, just that it was not a memorable experience and doing it either over SMS or email was not an issue.

The main things I love about my HTC One are the screen quality and battery life. Both of these are phenomenal. Whilst I can get a day and a half to two days from the iPhone, I can go four days with the HTC easily. The screen quality on the iPhone 5 is superb but I just wish it was a bit bigger, like the incredible screen on my HTC.

it's swings and roundabouts for me, I am neither firmly in either the Android or Apple camp and basically I just buy whichever device suits me most at the time.

Currently, with my reasonably limited knowledge of the new iPhone 5S, I shan't be buying one. However, I reserve the right to change that once I read up more about it and maybe have a 'hands on' in my local Apple store. A hands on would allow me the opportunity to look at how the 64 bit architecture actually works in day-to-day life. As i'm running 6.x.x. on my Apple devices, I have not even looked at iOS7 yet; it may be a revelation to me, but most likely not. Anyway, until a jailbreak is out for iOS7 i'm unlikely to adopt it on my current devices.

 

[Aquila]

I think I might take back my statement that the camera updates are the most impressive thing and switch it to a tie with the GPU integration. Like I hinted at earlier, I think some of the frustration expressed is in wanting to see Apple make a device that beats some of the Android OEM's at their own game. It's probably not going to happen as they keep doubling down on slow evolution with polish.

This argument is very similar to the Moto X vs S4, for which any user of the former, just like an iPhone user, is going to obviously know that the Moto X is a faster, smoother, more elegant and more useful device, yet not having a "5" 1080p Dodecatetrahedron processor clocked at 3ghz and a removable battery, micro sd card and jedi gestures" somehow work against it, despite that being the design language of a separate philosophy. They're just saying two completely different things. The Moto X is clearly a "better" device if better is measured in performance, and the iPhone 5s just released a bigger battery and better GPU on a tiny screen that, for very similar reasons, should run circles around the S4 in terms of battery life, speed and fluidity moving through the UI and due to the processor (sorry, it's not a google-core) it's probably faster and smoother for gaming, videos, etc. as well.

The contrast of philosophies is one reason that, despite my total lack of interest in the ecosystem, the iPhone 5 probably just walked into the top 5 devices available list while the S4 is struggling to remain in the top 10 for anyone that isn't dependent on the micro sd card and removable battery niche or absolutely in need of a phablet-esque device.

 

[Alik Malix]

My iPad is usually with me most of the time. I have pass code disabled in both my iOS devices for this very reason - it gets annoying after a while, especially when my user habit involves using it multiple times in short bursts, and because it interferes with Siri.

Anyone know if I am able to authenticate and use Siri at the same time from the lock screen?

I saw a hands on video of a guy playing with the fingerprint sensor and it did turn on Siri when he held down the button, at which point I'm assuming that the since it authenticates silmontaniously you will not be required to unlock your phone for security conscious tasks after giving Siri a command. When ever apple implements somethIng a "gimmick" it is truly a real world usable feature.

 

[Haalcyon]

Lol Haalcyon liked every post against me. Fine by me, some people can't handle the truth. This was a simple rant thread

Trust me, it's not personal. I'm not sure it's "the truth" but I assure you I respect your opinion.

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[anon5664829]

I think I might take back my statement that the camera updates are the most impressive thing and switch it to a tie with the GPU integration. Like I hinted at earlier, I think some of the frustration expressed is in wanting to see Apple make a device that beats some of the Android OEM's at their own game. It's probably not going to happen as they keep doubling down on slow evolution with polish.

This argument is very similar to the Moto X vs S4, for which any user of the former, just like an iPhone user, is going to obviously know that the Moto X is a faster, smoother, more elegant and more useful device, yet not having a "5" 1080p Dodecatetrahedron processor clocked at 3ghz and a removable battery, micro sd card and jedi gestures" somehow work against it, despite that being the design language of a separate philosophy. They're just saying two completely different things. The Moto X is clearly a "better" device if better is measured in performance, and the iPhone 5s just released a bigger battery and better GPU on a tiny screen that, for very similar reasons, should run circles around the S4 in terms of battery life, speed and fluidity moving through the UI and due to the processor (sorry, it's not a google-core) it's probably faster and smoother for gaming, videos, etc. as well.

The contrast of philosophies is one reason that, despite my total lack of interest in the ecosystem, the iPhone 5 probably just walked into the top 5 devices available list while the S4 is struggling to remain in the top 10 for anyone that isn't dependent on the micro sd card and removable battery niche or absolutely in need of a phablet-esque device.

The 5S is a special little beast. And as you pointed out the iPhone 5S and Moto X share the same philosophy, to give the consumer what they need not just extra things the company thought would be a good idea to just throw at the wall. They improved the camera in low light. They included a co processor for fitness and motion apps and just made it easier or faster to wake it up. Plus they also improved battery life by improving the A7 performance then shrinking it and making it smaller then the A6 die size further more they even added a slightly higher battery capacity.

Apple may look like they make incremental improvements but they care about baking in a few features and making them work well(not that iOS is feature less)

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[Alik Malix]

Pretty sure it can be fooled like the rest. Ooh a link! Here you go: iPhone Fingerprint Scanner Hacking Possible Along With Apple iPhone 5S NFC?
May I also point this out from the article? "Wired magazine points out that iPhone fingerprint scanner hacking could be pulled off with the same methods used to fool all other biometrics systems"

Dude, the link you suggested only says that there will be folks who will try to hack it - that's it. There's no proof (yet) that it'll be possible. Pair that with iOS 7's ability to lock anyone out entirely and brick the phone immediately from any internet connection, anywhere, if it's gone missing or stolen - the whole trying to hack the fingerprint scanner to gain any info or usability becomes useless. Yeh they thought of everything.

 

[Alik Malix]

Whether the fingerprint sensor is for unlocking the phone and making purchases only or will it be allowed to be used by your bank app and Facebook or etc.; There's talk about password keychain app thingy - obviously to Hold all the passwords.

My main praise for the fingerprint scanner specifically implemented into the home button is when activating Siri by holding the home button without unlocking your phone she will take the command, but if its security sensitive information (like email) you're promoted to unlock your phone first (for obvious reasons). This will literally allow this process to follow thru flawlessly with all security intact.