My Rant on the iPhone 5s

[anon5664829]

That's unacceptable IMO. Why should it take a full year for apps to not have huge areas of unused space on a major company's newest and only phone?

Sand thing could be said of speed test and other apps I have encountered on my Nexus 4.

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[JHBThree]

Point taken. Still. The 5C should have just had more stuff over the 5 to make it a product worth releasing.

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I dunno. They're targeting the younger people whose parents saw the aluminum and said 'not going to happen'. Even though its still breakable, the plastic might make them feel less insecure about it breaking.

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[JHBThree]

That's unacceptable IMO. Why should it take a full year for apps to not have huge areas of unused space on a major company's newest and only phone?

Same reason there are tens of thousands of android apps that haven't updated to eliminate the need for a menu button.

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[Jerry Hildenbrand]

I think this forum should be moved to the politics section along with the rest of the garbage I can safely ignore.

Play nice, you little bastards

 

[Aquila]

Same reason there are tens of thousands of android apps that haven't updated to eliminate the need for a menu button.

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Something to do with ROI for development time when over 2/3 of devices most likely still have the key that their current code uses....

 

[return_0]

Sand thing could be said of speed test and other apps I have encountered on my Nexus 4.

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Oh, boy. You're really picking on a single app out of the billion that are in the Play Store?

 

[return_0]

Same reason there are tens of thousands of android apps that haven't updated to eliminate the need for a menu button.

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So having to use a menu button is as bad as having a huge block of blank space that does nothing on an app? I see.

 

[JHBThree]

So having to use a menu button is as bad as having a huge block of blank space that does nothing on an app? I see.

Ha. Uhm. Read what you posted again, and think about what the menu button actually looks like.

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[return_0]

Ha. Uhm. Read what you posted again, and think about what the menu button actually looks like.

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Seriously? On Samsung, Nexus, Motorola, Sony, LG, and most HTC phones, the menu button doesn't affect screen real estate at all. On the 4.1 HTC One (which will soon be updated and remove the problem), the menu bar takes up about 0.3 inches of vertical screen space. Meanwhile, having an iPhone 4-designed app on an iPhone 5 would leave about 0.54 inches of space unused. Not only is the menu bar smaller, but it also serves an actual function and is only found on a very small portion of Android phones.

 

[anon5664829]

Seriously? On Samsung, Nexus, Motorola, Sony, LG, and most HTC phones, the menu button doesn't affect screen real estate at all. On the 4.1 HTC One (which will soon be updated and remove the problem), the menu bar takes up about 0.3 inches of vertical screen space. Meanwhile, having an iPhone 4-designed app on an iPhone 5 would leave about 0.54 inches of space unused. Not only is the menu bar smaller, but it also serves an actual function and is only found on a very small portion of Android phones.

It isn't in a lot of apps either. Only a few apps haven't been updated. So you saying what you are saying is ridiculous.

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[return_0]

It isn't in a lot of apps either. Only a few apps haven't been updated. So you saying what you are saying is ridiculous.

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No, it's not ridiculous. I was talking about the few months after release when most apps weren't updated.

 

[anon5664829]

No, it's not ridiculous. I was talking about the few months after release when most apps weren't updated.

We are talking, what 2-3 years after the release of Android tablets and there isn't a dedicated tablet section, or that many apps for tablets optimised anyways, oh boy you are really reaching aren't you?

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[anon5664829]

Oh, boy. You're really picking on a single app out of the billion that are in the Play Store?

Oh? I gave just one example and you think that's the only app that has such issues? There are many more apps with that issue.

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[Aquila]

There is one slight difference in the reasons to update or not update apps: Incentive.

Samsung has no motivation to remove the menu key because it actually makes their competition look worse. If they lapse and have a black bar menu soft-key appear, Samsung can point and laugh and pretend it's the other OEM's fault, and not Samsung. Developers, following Samsung's trend (due to their vast majority market share) don't have a lot of incentive to adopt unless they're hearing from customers that they're not using the app because it's not updated. It's the developer's fault, but the customers blame the OEM. This is compounded by many more apps being free on Android than on iOS.

Samsung is not likely to change soon because they have the same configuration (less one search key) in many generations of Galaxy devices now and making that change suddenly would be off-putting to many repeat customers who now don't know how to find menus. That's a big part of why they haven't even moved the back key to the 'standard' place that it sits on pretty much every other device.

Apple developers are all working with the exact same set of customers, many of whom are on the one (now two) latest device that has a scaling issue. They also are fighting for dollars, and ranking in results searches meaning that they want to keep as many customers happy as possible and there is no other OEM to blame. If an app sucks, it's the developer... people are usually not blaming the phone maker in that case.

This, in my opinion, is a prime indicator of why in roughly 12 months, many if not most apps, have been corrected to work on the iPhone 5 (and now 5s and 5c) sizes, while there are many and more apps on Android that ignore the guidelines regarding menus and settings.

 

[anon5664829]

There is one slight difference in the reasons to update or not update apps: Incentive.

Samsung has no motivation to remove the menu key because it actually makes their competition look worse. If they lapse and have a black bar menu soft-key appear, Samsung can point and laugh and pretend it's the other OEM's fault, and not Samsung. Developers, following Samsung's trend (due to their vast majority market share) don't have a lot of incentive to adopt unless they're hearing from customers that they're not using the app because it's not updated. It's the developer's fault, but the customers blame the OEM. This is compounded by many more apps being free on Android than on iOS.

Samsung is not likely to change soon because they have the same configuration (less one search key) in many generations of Galaxy devices now and making that change suddenly would be off-putting to many repeat customers who now don't know how to find menus. That's a big part of why they haven't even moved the back key to the 'standard' place that it sits on pretty much every other device.

Apple developers are all working with the exact same set of customers, many of whom are on the one (now two) latest device that has a scaling issue. They also are fighting for dollars, and ranking in results searches meaning that they want to keep as many customers happy as possible and there is no other OEM to blame. If an app sucks, it's the developer... people are usually not blaming the phone maker in that case.

This, in my opinion, is a prime indicator of why in roughly 12 months, many if not most apps, have been corrected to work on the iPhone 5 (and now 5s and 5c) sizes, while there are many and more apps on Android that ignore the guidelines regarding menus and settings.

This sums it up beautifully.

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[Aquila]

We are talking, what 2-3 years after the release of Android tablets and there isn't a dedicated tablet section, or that many apps for tablets optimised anyways

http://forums.androidcentral.com/iphone-ios/313484-my-rant-iphone-5s-21.html#post3068767

There majority of apps that are "optimized" are not tablet only because they have one version to fit all segments. That's what I was trying to explain in saying that there is a different usage of the concept between operating systems. If you check out the Google apps that I mentioned, although the same version between the Nexus 4, Nexus 7 and Nexus 10, they generally have slightly different options available (depending on real estate). It's not just a straight scale up, tablets provide more information and content with that extra space without the need for a separate app version.

All that being said, Google still has a long road ahead of them trying to get developers to focus on using the full potential of the development tools.

A bad example of this not working are the old Google TV apps. Things like YouTube, Google Play Movies, Google Play Books, etc. all have separate apps just for Google TV that have completely different UI's in some cases than what I see on my phone. I'd honestly prefer 1 app that works on everything and scales it's output accordingly (obviously not stretching it, but dynamically utilizing the device's options).


Tablet App Quality Checklist | Android Developers

 

[return_0]

We are talking, what 2-3 years after the release of Android tablets and there isn't a dedicated tablet section, or that many apps for tablets optimised anyways, oh boy you are really reaching aren't you?

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Do you not understand any of my points? Android doesn't need tablet-optimized apps. Most apps just optimize themselves for tablets. And the rest may not be optimized for tablets but still look and function well.

 

[return_0]

Oh? I gave just one example and you think that's the only app that has such issues? There are many more apps with that issue.

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Can you name them? I've installed over 200 apps and viewed over 300, and none have had that problem except SpeedTest.

 

[anon5664829]

Do you not understand any of my points? Android doesn't need tablet-optimized apps. Most apps just optimize themselves for tablets. And the rest may not be optimized for tablets but still look and function well.

So what? iPad apps do the same thing. They keep binaries for both in them. So what? See Apple can do that as well. And blown up phone apps on iPads also function well but that's not the point. When I see an app not optimised on my iPad I promptly delete it and complain to the developer, relatively quickly I get a response telling me when it is possible to download an iPad version. I in fact did the same thing when for a brief time I had the original Nexus 7 but I didn't get a response from many developers.

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[Rule9]

There is one slight difference in the reasons to update or not update apps: Incentive.

Samsung has no motivation to remove the menu key because it actually makes their competition look worse. If they lapse and have a black bar menu soft-key appear, Samsung can point and laugh and pretend it's the other OEM's fault, and not Samsung. Developers, following Samsung's trend (due to their vast majority market share) don't have a lot of incentive to adopt unless they're hearing from customers that they're not using the app because it's not updated. It's the developer's fault, but the customers blame the OEM. This is compounded by many more apps being free on Android than on iOS.

Samsung is not likely to change soon because they have the same configuration (less one search key) in many generations of Galaxy devices now and making that change suddenly would be off-putting to many repeat customers who now don't know how to find menus. That's a big part of why they haven't even moved the back key to the 'standard' place that it sits on pretty much every other device.

Apple developers are all working with the exact same set of customers, many of whom are on the one (now two) latest device that has a scaling issue. They also are fighting for dollars, and ranking in results searches meaning that they want to keep as many customers happy as possible and there is no other OEM to blame. If an app sucks, it's the developer... people are usually not blaming the phone maker in that case.

This, in my opinion, is a prime indicator of why in roughly 12 months, many if not most apps, have been corrected to work on the iPhone 5 (and now 5s and 5c) sizes, while there are many and more apps on Android that ignore the guidelines regarding menus and settings.

This sums it up beautifully.

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Busted. You claimed that almost all of the roughly million apps will fully utilize extra 64 bit power given by the A7 in just 3 months max, yet you just agreed it took roughly a year for the same number of apps to do something far simpler in scaling to a 4" screen.

Thank you, good game.

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