Nexus 5 is better than the iPhone.

[aggie]

Oh, now I get it. You've got a few people who don't like that I've called you out and now it's "us". Don't get it twisted, Jeff; I've only made comments to you because you're just so damn hilarious with your love for this phone. Jerry Hildenbrand explicitly states there's no difference in everyday performance between the Moto X and the Nexus 5 and you point at one thing in his video and disagree, stating the Nexus 5 is significantly faster. You haven't even used the phone, let alone side by side, and you're so in love with your Nexus 5 that you ignore logic (and the opinion of people who've actually used the devices side by side/have a hell of a lot more experience than you do) because you want to be right about it. Same thing with the iPhone 5S camera thing. And the vanilla Android vs skinned UI debate.

I didn't say my opinion is superior than everyones. Just yours.

Even if you do have some valid points it is hard to take any of your posts seriously with the condescending nature of them. Coming off as an arrogant *** does not help one to get their point across.

I have both devices in question along with a Note 3, 5s, One, and 1020. The Nexus is my favorite device by a hair over the X. The performance gains on the Nexus are negligible and I would not base my decision on performance when deciding between the two devices. If the X had the display of the Nexus it probably would be my device of choice. There really is no wrong answer as to which the better phone is. It's all in the mind of the person that owns it. I don't have to agree with you. That doesnt make mine or your opinion correct or incorrect.

 

[Adranalyne]

Opinion cannot be 'wrong' unless it contradicts established fact. You have not established a single piece of fact in your favor, let alone be able to accuse someone of contradicting one. You keep saying you used all three like a broken record, as if that gives you any objectivity. I have owned and driven a Honda and a Ford, but that only qualifies me to give which car I prefer, not on which is objectively better. Despite the fact that my Ford has slightly less horsepower than my Honda did, I prefer driving the Ford. But that doesn't mean I can dig in my heels and argue that my Ford is "faster" than my Honda, though for my purposes I don't notice the difference.


Well, you obviously are.

For someone who keeps pointing out that you can't be objective when determining if a phone is superior to another, you keep bringing that word up a lot. Using the devices in question as opposed to making comments like I have? It does provide the ability to be impartial, something in which you made a huge fuss about earlier. Let's talk facts, though, because since you want to go that route and ignore your entire tirade on there not being objectivity in these things, I'm more than capable of supplying them:

-In reference to the Moto X vs Nexus 5 speed question: The Moto X, especially after 4.4, is every bit as fast in day to day use as the Nexus 5. It gets smoked in synthetic benchmarks, but both run 4.4 smoothly and effortlessly. One does not hold a signficant advantage over the other in that department. Fact. If you've used both phones, especially side by side, you'd know this.

-In reference to the iPhone 5S vs Nexus 5 camera question: The iPhone 5S, from the hardware down to the functionality, -right now-, is the better camera. Anyone who has used both would know this because the Nexus 5 takes forever to focus and has the ability to take some horrendous pictures. It's ceiling, however, is higher, provided Google fixes those issues. Fact.

-In reference to the Nexus 5 not being the best smartphone available: My stating this was being impartial because while I prefer the Nexus 5, I recognize that overall other smartphones are better. Those that review these phones for a living tend to agree, as evidenced by some (or maybe all) of the people who review phones for this site. I've already explained why in a different thread so I'm not going to repeat myself.


Those are the only statements I've made in response to some of the uninformed and biased comments Jeff has made. We can keep this going all you'd like, but there's really no point. I'm going to maintain that I'm right, yfan is going to interject with nothing constructive, mumbles is going to add virtually nothing, and Jeff is never going to realize his phone isn't as great as he wants it to be.

 

[Adranalyne]

Even if you do have some valid points it is hard to take any of your posts seriously with the condescending nature of them. Coming off as an arrogant *** does not help one to get their point across.

I have both devices in question along with a Note 3, 5s, One, and 1020. The Nexus is my favorite device by a hair over the X. The performance gains on the Nexus are negligible and I would not base my decision on performance when deciding between the two devices. If the X had the display of the Nexus it probably would be my device of choice. There really is no wrong answer as to which the better phone is. It's all in the mind of the person that owns it. I don't have to agree with you. That doesnt make mine or your opinion correct or incorrect.

See, I have zero problems with this. You own/have used the devices you're speaking about. You clearly understand the differences between the two (X and N5) and have a preference. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I'll accept that from you and we'll differ on what device we like best.

 

[LegalAmerican]

Oh, now I get it. You've got a few people who don't like that I've called you out and now it's "us". Don't get it twisted, Jeff; I've only made comments to you because you're just so damn hilarious with your love for this phone. Jerry Hildenbrand explicitly states there's no difference in everyday performance between the Moto X and the Nexus 5 and you point at one thing in his video and disagree, stating the Nexus 5 is significantly faster. You haven't even used the phone, let alone side by side, and you're so in love with your Nexus 5 that you ignore logic (and the opinion of people who've actually used the devices side by side/have a hell of a lot more experience than you do) because you want to be right about it. Same thing with the iPhone 5S camera thing. And the vanilla Android vs skinned UI debate.

I didn't say my opinion is superior than everyones. Just yours.

I just need a moment to thank the good Lord that when I receive my Nexus 5, I will not allow myself to enjoy it because your posts have kept my feet on the ground. December 3rd can take it's time because clearly, the Nexus 5 is no great thing. Thank you. THANK YOU!

 

[Adranalyne]

I just need a moment to thank the good Lord that when I receive my Nexus 5, I will not allow myself to enjoy it because your posts have kept my feet on the ground. December 3rd can take it's time because clearly, the Nexus 5 is no great thing. Thank you. THANK YOU!

http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-5/333826-nexus-5-dispelling-myths.html

No, go ahead and enjoy. Just realize it also has it's shortcomings.

 

[aggie]

See, I have zero problems with this. You own/have used the devices you're speaking about. You clearly understand the differences between the two (X and N5) and have a preference. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I'll accept that from you and we'll differ on what device we like best.

The X is an amazing device. One really has to use it to appreciate it. Just going by specs and being priced in line with most of the current higher spec'd flagships it is going to be immediately dismissed by most tech enthusiasts like us. Give it a 5" 1080p screen and I don't care what processor/gpu combination it has, it would be a phone I'd easily keep a year or two. I usually use a device a few months and hand it down to someone on one of my company lines but I'm having a hard time giving the X up.

As for the Nexus, it is a really nice device also. I can only see a difference from a performance standpoint when I'm playing games like Modern Combat 4 or scrolling through my thousands of photos on dropbox (the X kinda stutters here where the Nexus handles it like butter). I am really disappointed with the camera. I know it is capable of taking very good pics as seen by some of JeffDenver's posts and others but it is so damn inconsistent, even more so than the camera on the X. The focus time is horrible. But like you stated in your previous post, I'm hedging my bet that google will eventually get the camera to where it will realize its full potential.

Hopefully this thread can take a turn for the better. The title of the thread itself is provocative enough towards the iPhone fans. Its always silly to me to see people arguing about android phone "A" is better than android phone "B". Other than the HTC ThunderTurd I've never really had a Android phone that has been worthy of trashing/bashing.

 

[Adranalyne]

The X is an amazing device. One really has to use it to appreciate it. Just going by specs and being priced in line with most of the current higher spec'd flagships it is going to be immediately dismissed by most tech enthusiasts like us. Give it a 5" 1080p screen and I don't care what processor/gpu combination it has, it would be a phone I'd easily keep a year or two. I usually use a device a few months and hand it down to someone on one of my company lines but I'm having a hard time giving the X up.

As for the Nexus, it is a really nice device also. I can only see a difference from a performance standpoint when I'm playing games like Modern Combat 4 or scrolling through my thousands of photos on dropbox (the X kinda stutters here where the Nexus handles it like butter). I am really disappointed with the camera. I know it is capable of taking very good pics as seen by some of JeffDenver's posts and others but it is so damn inconsistent, even more so than the camera on the X. The focus time is horrible. But like you stated in your previous post, I'm hedging my bet that google will eventually get the camera to where it will realize its full potential.

Hopefully this thread can take a turn for the better. The title of the thread itself is provocative enough towards the iPhone fans. Its always silly to me to see people arguing about android phone "A" is better than android phone "B". Other than the HTC ThunderTurd I've never really had a Android phone that has been worthy of trashing/bashing.

Running ART instead of dalvik on the Moto X (not sure if you've done that or not) has made some difference in it's performance. The fact that we can talk about a phone like the X performing this well given the hardware is astounding; Motorola did an amazing job with this phone and continues to do so through it's various updates. As far as the thread goes, I want to make sure I'm very clear on this: I don't hate the Nexus 5. I use it as my daily driver. It's a lot better than I expected it to be considering I had no intentions of buying it. I wanted to give it a shot and I'm glad I did. That said, I feel like it has some glaring holes (the camera and the speaker being two of the biggest ones) and it's very, very short exclusivity of 4.4 outside of the Nexus line makes me wonder, outside of price, what is so special about this phone? The Moto X has it's incredible in-hand feel along with Touchless Controls/Active Notifications. The One has the aluminum build, the BoomSound speakers, and some people actually really like Sense now. The Note 3 has it's ridiculous screen, the S-Pen, and extremely long battery life to go with it's laundry list of features.

Does this make the Nexus 5 the worst? Nah. I still use it daily. I'm just reasonable about what it brings to the table in contrast to the other smartphones of 2013.

 

[JeffDenver]

But I forgot---we're in the Nexus 5 forums. That means you're allowed to argue when you don't know what you're talking about.

That is correct. People are allowed to express opinions on here even if you personally don't think they know what they are talking about.

 

[LegalAmerican]

http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-5/333826-nexus-5-dispelling-myths.html

No, go ahead and enjoy. Just realize it also has it's shortcomings.

Oh I am very certain it does. When everyone has different opinions and needs, no one phone will ever be considered perfect by the masses. Of course I kid with my last post, but in all honesty the reason I am going with the N5 is because I am getting a bit tired of Samsung. I liked them a lot at first but I hate that everyone has a Galaxy device now. I miss my underdog days of carrying the Razr Maxx or the Bionic when no one knew what they were.

I look forward to the quirks of the N5. There's a fix for almost every single dislike in the Android realm and if there isn't, that's what research before a purchase is for. I know it wont be the best phone available, but for that price it was too hard to pass up.

 

[JeffDenver]

[Scoff] I find that hard to believe.

The way I post was taken as more abrasive than I intended it. The main thing I was criticizing back then was the lack of SD and removable battery. I still don't like it, but I let it go. The rest of the phone is awesome enough that I can manage without them.That was true for my Nexus 4 as well.

I still have my Nexus 4. If it was not for the camera, I might not have upgraded to the 5 at all. But the lowlight performance in the 5 is so much better than the 4, it was worth the upgrade all by itself, and this has always been my personal holy grail with phone cameras.

 

[aggie]

Running ART instead of dalvik on the Moto X (not sure if you've done that or not) has made some difference in it's performance. The fact that we can talk about a phone like the X performing this well given the hardware is astounding; Motorola did an amazing job with this phone and continues to do so through it's various updates. As far as the thread goes, I want to make sure I'm very clear on this: I don't hate the Nexus 5. I use it as my daily driver. It's a lot better than I expected it to be considering I had no intentions of buying it. I wanted to give it a shot and I'm glad I did. That said, I feel like it has some glaring holes (the camera and the speaker being two of the biggest ones) and it's very, very short exclusivity of 4.4 outside of the Nexus line makes me wonder, outside of price, what is so special about this phone? The Moto X has it's incredible in-hand feel along with Touchless Controls/Active Notifications. The One has the aluminum build, the BoomSound speakers, and some people actually really like Sense now. The Note 3 has it's ridiculous screen, the S-Pen, and extremely long battery life to go with it's laundry list of features.

Does this make the Nexus 5 the worst? Nah. I still use it daily. I'm just reasonable about what it brings to the table in contrast to the other smartphones of 2013.

Havent tried running ART on the X yet. Running it now on my Nexus and it seemed to give it a slight boost in performance (placebo perhaps?). Will give it a go on the X this weekend when I have a bit of time to play with it. The X even while not running ART is pretty darn close to the Nexus when it is running ART.

You make a good point about the X, One, Note 3, etc., having a single, signature, standout feature that the Nexus may lack. This perfectly illustrates what's great about Android and the choices we have. There is something to match everyone's tastes. The Nexus' standout feature I suppose would be top tier hardware at a budget price along with updates direct from Google. The latter is what has always kept me coming back to the Nexus. If other devices start to follow the lead of the Moto X and get updates as quickly as it got 4.4, the second point may not matter as much in the future.

Edit: I do agree with you on the speaker on the Nexus. It is pathetic and inexcusable. I use my phones as my alarm clock and I can not even think about using my Nexus 5 for an alarm as I'd sleep right through it (especially after a late night with my favorite beverage). I'll withhold final judgement on the camera until we see an update or two. The X has improved significantly in the last two updates. Hopefully the same will happen for the Nexus.

 

[JeffDenver]

Havent tried running ART on the X yet. Running it now on my Nexus and it seemed to give it a slight boost in performance (placebo perhaps?). Will give it a go on the X this weekend when I have a bit of time to play with it. The X even while not running ART is pretty darn close to the Nexus when it is running ART.

On my Nexus ART definitely made a big difference. Maps and the gallery app are actually where I see it the most.

Be aware that the number of apps that will not work under ART is higher than you might think. Several apps I tried to install this week would not install, and I suspect ART is the reason.

You make a good point about the X, One, Note 3, etc., having a single, signature, standout feature that the Nexus may lack. This perfectly illustrates what's great about Android and the choices we have. There is something to match everyone's tastes. The Nexus' standout feature I suppose would be top tier hardware at a budget price along with updates direct from Google. The latter is what has always kept me coming back to the Nexus. If other devices start to follow the lead of the Moto X and get updates as quickly as it got 4.4, the second point may not matter as much in the future

Well, Moto X is very close to vanilla android, and that is a trend I am liking. At the very least I'd like to see vendors offering the ability to install a vanilla android ROM and/or uninstall their skin.

 

[aggie]

The way I post was taken as more abrasive than I intended it. The main thing I was criticizing back then was the lack of SD and removable battery. I still don't like it, but I let it go. The rest of the phone is awesome enough that I can manage without them.That was true for my Nexus 4 as well.

I still have my Nexus 4. If it was not for the camera, I might not have upgraded to the 5 at all. But the lowlight performance in the 5 is so much better than the 4, it was worth the upgrade all by itself, and this has always been my personal holy grail with phone cameras.

Miss the heck out of my Nexus 4. Liked the design alot more than the 5. Loved the curved glass edges on the screen and the glass back. Looked so dang good I just couldn't bring myself to put a case on it. Camera and battery really were the achilles heel for the N4. The N5 camera is a definite improvement but I'm hoping to see it get a little bit of a boost in a future update.

 

[Adranalyne]

Oh I am very certain it does. When everyone has different opinions and needs, no one phone will ever be considered perfect by the masses. Of course I kid with my last post, but in all honesty the reason I am going with the N5 is because I am getting a bit tired of Samsung. I liked them a lot at first but I hate that everyone has a Galaxy device now. I miss my underdog days of carrying the Razr Maxx or the Bionic when no one knew what they were.

I look forward to the quirks of the N5. There's a fix for almost every single dislike in the Android realm and if there isn't, that's what research before a purchase is for. I know it wont be the best phone available, but for that price it was too hard to pass up.

Again, I've got zero issue with this, either. It's why I bought it. It's why I still use it. The real star is just how good 4.4 is, though. The camera app leaves a lot to be desired, but outside of that, the OS feels "finished".

 

[Aquila]

Art works fine on the X.

Everyone please take a deep breath and remember we're all on the same side.

XT1060. Through spacetime.

 

[aggie]

On my Nexus ART definitely made a big difference. Maps and the gallery app are actually where I see it the most.

Be aware that the number of apps that will not work under ART is higher than you might think. Several apps I tried to install this week would not install, and I suspect ART is the reason.


Well, Moto X is very close to vanilla android, and that is a trend I am liking. At the very least I'd like to see vendors offering the ability to install a vanilla android ROM and/or uninstall their skin.

Been hoping for this since the GNex. I'd be all over the HTC One (2) when it releases if they go to Google's button implementation and give an option to run a skinless version of Android. I know there is a Google Play Edition but, sorry, I'm not paying $550ish for a Google Play Edition especially when I hate HTC's current button configuration.

 

[Rule9]

You have heard the term, left handed compliment? That's basically how you approached the thread. But the more we expressed how much we love our phones (and Jeff is actually a lot more impartial than you seem to think - I've seen him suggest not buying n5 to people with different priorities), the more disparaging you became.

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk 2

Good thing we have you around to preach morals to the other posters then with your own fine examples.

Sent from my Sony Xperia Z1

 

[mrsmumbles]

The way I post was taken as more abrasive than I intended it. The main thing I was criticizing back then was the lack of SD and removable battery. I still don't like it, but I let it go. The rest of the phone is awesome enough that I can manage without them.That was true for my Nexus 4 as well.

I still have my Nexus 4. If it was not for the camera, I might not have upgraded to the 5 at all. But the lowlight performance in the 5 is so much better than the 4, it was worth the upgrade all by itself, and this has always been my personal holy grail with phone cameras.

Of many of the people who debate in the forums you're one of the most consistently polite. I'm trying to be more like that. :thumbup::beer:

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk 2

 

[JeffDenver]

Miss the heck out of my Nexus 4. Liked the design alot more than the 5.

That glass back just killed me. The phone felt a lot more fragile than it was, and that thing would slide off ANYTHING. I cracked my screen when it slid off a completely flat surface because the phone was vibrating from an incoming call. $150 to replace the screen.

Loved the curved glass edges on the screen and the glass back.

I miss the curved glass on the front. When you swipe on it, it feels like there is no edge, and it is awesome. I am glad they did not do that with the 5 though. The recessed display means I don't have to worry about the display being in direct contact with a surface if I set it down face-first.

Camera and battery really were the achilles heel for the N4.

The camera was actually decent in good light. It had an excellent Macro (almost as good as the 5). Lowlight was it's big weakness.

The N5 camera is a definite improvement but I'm hoping to see it get a little bit of a boost in a future update.

The quality is there, and actually the shutter speed is too (if you take a video, you can snap pictures while the video is recording, and this is very quick). The problem is the UI and annoying focusing issues (in HDR it is particularly obnoxious). I am confident they will address these.

 

[JeffDenver]

Been hoping for this since the GNex. I'd be all over the HTC One (2) when it releases if they go to Google's button implementation and give an option to run a skinless version of Android. I know there is a Google Play Edition but, sorry, I'm not paying $550ish for a Google Play Edition especially when I hate HTC's current button configuration.

Yeah, that is why I passed on the GPE One as well. I was a vocal critic of soft buttons when they first came out...now I don't know if I could live without them. I don't think I could use a phone with non-soft buttons anymore.

I used to be a big HTC fan. I had an HTC Rezound for almost 2 years (I still have it...best camera of it's generation on Android, and had SD and removable battery).