Nexus S worthy of being called a Google Phone?

[thebizz]

And that's exactly why samsung would be a great choice to make the second device they did what google couldn't and for a gs phone on every major carrier. If they could do it with the nexus s I would buy it just add an lte radio

 

[Johnly]

I hope that happens....

 

[Johnly]

Honestly do you think Eric Scmidt was holding s new Samsung Galaxy S device? I believe all this speculation is true, it is a Nexus S. Google has fooled us by stating that there will never be a Nexus 2, however they never said anything about another device of a different name. If this device is real, if t doesn't achieve anything with new hardware, it might achieve the status of multi carrier, which Samsung has mastered.

Love your dreams, and I am on board, but a pure google device untouched by all networks? yeah, get my drift. I still vote for it too, but it won't happen. Some greedy network is going to insist on some bloatware. I like what google is doing, but they need to take notes from apple, at&t is run by apples gunship. Pick a subsidized I phone up, it is nothing but apple. Do you think google can do that with the big four? I am a dreamer too.

 

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

All Google needs to do is sell it unlocked, SIM free through retail channels (like Best Buy) for $300.00. Start with T-Mo, then release a quadband GSM unlocked version.

This puts GMail, and all Google's Ads in everyone hands, which has been their (assumed) vision since they bought the Android project.

Unfortunately, I don't ever see this one coming to Verizon or Sprint, for the same reasons that the N1 didn't. Carriers want control over what's on their network, and CDMA gives them that control.

 

[Johnly]

Why not a cdma unlocked version?

 

[thebizz]

Because with cdma your imei has to be in VZW or sprint's system for them to activate it. Cdma is locked down way to tight its almost impossible to get a sprint phone on VZW. That's a huge drawback of the cdma carriers with gsm you have allot more freedom

 

[Johnly]

Well damn it! That blows chunks.

 

[Jerzyiroc]

The nexus one broke many barriers. In marketing mostly. That mistake need not be repeated. But then, how the heck does google keep the phone pure? Apple does, can google do the same, or will it be a t mo online only weird funk?

I actually think the biggest success of the Nexus 1 was taking that big step in hardware. I mean before the N1 what was the "top dog" Android phone out? The Droid? I'm sure there may have been other powerful Android phones at the time in the works, but the N1 set the standard for all high end Android phones no question. The N1 was definitely the start of the next gen Android phones. A Nexus 2 should take it to the next level the way the Nexus 1 did. I simply just don't see that happening with the Nexus 2 unless it's running a dual core 1GB RAM and at least 4GB of internal memory (and most of that usable unlike the MT4g). I don't think a N2 has to be a sales hit by any means. The N1 sure wasn't and it completely changed the Android game. Google doesn't need to make phones to set sale standards, they need to make phones to set Android high end standards. And again.. I just don't see that at all with the Nexus S.

 

[thebizz]

Yes it does that kinda makes me want to leave VZW but their service has been great for me ( can't say the same about speed ). But tmo sucks in my area no 3g and Att is ok just don't like their data plans

 

[Jerry Hildenbrand]

Why not a cdma unlocked version?

thebizz hit the nail on the head. Verizon and Sprint can only activate phones that are on "the list", and that list is created by folks in an office somewhere who count money. If your contract was up, and you could buy a phone off the shelf and use it on Verizon, Sprint, US Cell, etc, there's no incentive to stay with a carrier when you see greener grass somewhere else.

 

[thebizz]

I actually think the biggest success of the Nexus 1 was taking that big step in hardware. I mean before the N1 what was the "top dog" Android phone out? The Droid? I'm sure there may have been other powerful Android phones at the time in the works, but the N1 set the standard for all high end Android phones no question. The N1 was definitely the start of the next gen Android phones. A Nexus 2 should take it to the next level the way the Nexus 1 did. I simply just don't see that happening with the Nexus 2 unless it's running a dual core. I don't think a N2 has to be a sales hit by any means. The N1 sure wasn't and it completely changed the Android game. Google doesn't need to make phones to set sale standards, they need to make phones to set Android high end standards. And again.. I just don't see that at all with the Nexus S.

While I agree with you that the n1 did set a hardware standard, I believe the n2/s should take a different approach and show what good software optimized for a phone can do. I believe we have gotten to a point were poor coding of skins are slowing down what should be amazing Phones. Look at what ms has done with wp7 and the first gen snapdragon it's as fast and fluid as a mt4g using the second gen snapdragon.

 

[Johnly]

thebizz hit the nail on the head. Verizon and Sprint can only activate phones that are on "the list", and that list is created by folks in an office somewhere who count money. If your contract was up, and you could buy a phone off the shelf and use it on Verizon, Sprint, US Cell, etc, there's no incentive to stay with a carrier when you see greener grass somewhere else.

That is what angers me. I live in the mountains, and verizon is the only carrier up here.

 

[Johnly]

I actually think the biggest success of the Nexus 1 was taking that big step in hardware. I mean before the N1 what was the "top dog" Android phone out? The Droid? I'm sure there may have been other powerful Android phones at the time in the works, but the N1 set the standard for all high end Android phones no question. The N1 was definitely the start of the next gen Android phones. A Nexus 2 should take it to the next level the way the Nexus 1 did. I simply just don't see that happening with the Nexus 2 unless it's running a dual core 1GB RAM and at least 4GB of internal memory (and most of that usable unlike the MT4g). I don't think a N2 has to be a sales hit by any means. The N1 sure wasn't and it completely changed the Android game. Google doesn't need to make phones to set sale standards, they need to make phones to set Android high end standards. And again.. I just don't see that at all with the Nexus S.

I completely agree, software isn't crap without good hardware. The only reason the nexus one is relevant today is hardware. In technology, hardware is always looked at first. You know what your saying.

 

[etbrandt]

Orion would be sick. However, Samsung was not scheduled to release it until Q4 2011. That's quite a ways off, I wonder what they did to release it so early. Could their be bugs or performance issues? We will see.

Actually they said it would be available Q4 '10 to select customers (i.e. Samsung), with mass production in 1H '11.

 

[BlackPrince310]

Actually they said it would be available Q4 '10 to select customers (i.e. Samsung), with mass production in 1H '11.

Ah, really? That's interesting. This phone could definitely be using Orion then.

 

[thebizz]

I completely agree, software isn't crap without good hardware. The only reason the nexus one is relevant today is hardware. In technology, hardware is always looked at first. You know what your saying.

Funny look at the view sonic gtab it has great hardware but the software is crap. Were at a point were anyone can throw a 1ghz processor or dualcore in a phone. But great software is what we need the veiwsonic showed it and droid2 also. Google needs to show how great a device can be without a resource hog skin added to Android and the nexus s could be exactly that. A slap in the face of all the oems that mess up Android

 

[Smokexz]

Funny look at the view sonic gtab it has great hardware but the software is crap. Were at a point were anyone can throw a 1ghz processor or dualcore in a phone. But great software is what we need the veiwsonic showed it and droid2 also. Google needs to show how great a device can be without a resource hog skin added to Android and the nexus s could be exactly that. A slap in the face of all the oems that mess up Android

Keep in mind, the grab has no support for dual core and the skin is just too heavy for the device to run well. While the Nexus S will have stock(there could be some bloatware who knows)

 

[thebizz]

Even if its running with one core it still shows poor coding can slow down a great device and im not even talking about bloat yet. I recently loaded a rom without blur talk about a poor coded hog. Its amazing how fast my phone is now and I don't even need to oc. Like I did with blur. But back om topic great hardware is here but its time for oems to optimize their skins. If google could pull off full hardware acceleration in the browser plus other tweeks they can prove great software and great software beats a phone that's been crippled by a poorly tought out skin

 

[Gee]

While I agree with you that the n1 did set a hardware standard, I believe the n2/s should take a different approach and show what good software optimized for a phone can do. I believe we have gotten to a point were poor coding of skins are slowing down what should be amazing Phones. Look at what ms has done with wp7 and the first gen snapdragon it's as fast and fluid as a mt4g using the second gen snapdragon.

Mostly agree with you. I hate the Adreno 200 with a passion.. but once I saw what WP7 did with it, I realized that a lot of the blame belongs to Android. So if Google does go all out in HW acceleration and software optimization, then they could do a WHOLE lot with the Hummingbird. And TBH, you probably wouldn't see much of a difference in real world performance between the Orion and Hummingbird if they went that route. Its not like we're encoding video or anything super intensive on a phone - its not a phone's use case.

That said, why shouldn't it do better if its available? So far it looks like it has the same amount of RAM which coupled by the RAM hungry GPU, is in some ways actually a step down from the Nexus One. 1GB of internal storage? Really? Yeah, lets keep directing Android app development to be limited by space. So far it looks disappointung.


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[speedyg2012]

I presume us English folk in the UK will get it months later when it goes on sell in Asia/US.

Eurgh.

Hope it does well and ushers a new age of Android phones.