No Pixel for Me

[Adam Frix]

If someone can afford to buy it through financing they are welcome to do it. You don't have to. You can drop full cash on everything if you want.

Absolutely. No question.

But now comes the Pixel, daring to strike up in the $1000 range--which wouldn't have happened if the real price weren't hidden by that "few bucks a month" thing. And like I said, that makes Google think they can charge that much for it.

It's a price hike, hidden by that "few bucks a month" thing that has taken over for the old cell company two year contract thing that used to hide the true cost of the hardware.

I hate that people like me, who buy things, end up facing a simple phone that costs a thousand bucks. Yes, obviously, I can get $400 decent phones--but still, absent the hiding of the real price, these companies like Google would have felt the pressure to keep the price down on the flagships. Instead, people who can't do math support Google's internal pressures to keep the price--and revenues--up.

And we know that Google has $150 in parts, plus whatever development costs, into the phone. $850? Seriously? Designed for obsolescence with its non-removable battery and its lack of SD card slot? That's a ton of coin.

 

[osubeavs728]

Absolutely. No question.

But now comes the Pixel, daring to strike up in the $1000 range--which wouldn't have happened if the real price weren't hidden by that "few bucks a month" thing. And like I said, that makes Google think they can charge that much for it.

It's a price hike, hidden by that "few bucks a month" thing that has taken over for the old cell company two year contract thing that used to hide the true cost of the hardware.

I hate that people like me, who buy things, end up facing a simple phone that costs a thousand bucks. Yes, obviously, I can get $400 decent phones--but still, absent the hiding of the real price, these companies like Google would have felt the pressure to keep the price down on the flagships. Instead, people who can't do math support Google's internal pressures to keep the price--and revenues--up.

And we know that Google has $150 in parts, plus whatever development costs, into the phone. $850? Seriously? Designed for obsolescence with its non-removable battery and its lack of SD card slot? That's a ton of coin.

What's the price being hiked up from? If I'm not mistaken this is the first Time Google has ever released Pixel phones.

 

[Adam Frix]

Who cares what they call the things? What's the difference between Nexus and Pixel?

I'll tell you the difference: they set a price point for Nexus phones, and they wanted to up that price point. Simple psychology says, change the name and present it as an "all-new" product--even though it's really not, it's just an updated old product--and people will let you get away with pricing it wherever you want, with no relation to anything else, as if it's never existed before.

And people believing that baloney is what gets the $650 phone accepted as an $850 phone.

For those of you who are math challenged, that is a 31% increase in price.

 

[osubeavs728]

Who cares what they call the things? What's the difference between Nexus and Pixel?

I'll tell you the difference: they set a price point for Nexus phones, and they wanted to up that price point. Simple psychology says, change the name and present it as an "all-new" product--even though it's really not, it's just an updated old product--and people will let you get away with pricing it wherever you want, with no relation to anything else, as if it's never existed before.

And people believing that baloney is what gets the $650 phone accepted as an $850 phone.

For those of you who are math challenged, that is a 31% increase in price.

Well Mark Cuban, since you seem to know exactly what Google is spending on SG&A, COGS, and R&D for these phones versus the Nexii that came before it, why don't you give us a break down.

 

[grover5]

Absolutely. No question.

But now comes the Pixel, daring to strike up in the $1000 range--which wouldn't have happened if the real price weren't hidden by that "few bucks a month" thing. And like I said, that makes Google think they can charge that much for it.

It's a price hike, hidden by that "few bucks a month" thing that has taken over for the old cell company two year contract thing that used to hide the true cost of the hardware.

I hate that people like me, who buy things, end up facing a simple phone that costs a thousand bucks. Yes, obviously, I can get $400 decent phones--but still, absent the hiding of the real price, these companies like Google would have felt the pressure to keep the price down on the flagships. Instead, people who can't do math support Google's internal pressures to keep the price--and revenues--up.

And we know that Google has $150 in parts, plus whatever development costs, into the phone. $850? Seriously? Designed for obsolescence with its non-removable battery and its lack of SD card slot? That's a ton of coin.

Ok. So.you're whining about the price. Don't buy it then. Get a 6p. They're great. I have one.

 

[neo905]

It can be. For example, I can pay off my house today with the cash I have on hand, but I prefer to refinance to a 3.5% mortgage all the way out 30 years, while my cash is making 10+% on investments--or is available maybe to put a down payment on rental property, who knows.

As much as I hate auto leasing (simply because it's given the automakers a sneaky tool to raise car prices WAY beyond simple inflation levels), SOMETIMES it makes sense. But you have to know what you're doing.

The key phrase you said is you have to know what you are doing and for the most part people are overindulgent and financially illiterate and corporations/governments feast on that. If consumers weren't we wouldn't have had a housing bubble/crash.

 

[tunic330]

Re: Are you getting the Pixel? What are your reasons? (for? against?)

You can simply re-enable the app drawer in the settings. Don't worry about not having an app drawer when you initially setup the phone. Go into an ATT or another carrier's retail store and look in the settings. It's an option now.

Thank you!

 

[renegad3]

so much butthurt in this thread LOL.

vote with your wallet. simple as that.

dont like it? move on. like it? buy it.

 

[renegad3]

Absolutely. No question.

But now comes the Pixel, daring to strike up in the $1000 range--which wouldn't have happened if the real price weren't hidden by that "few bucks a month" thing. And like I said, that makes Google think they can charge that much for it.

Pixel starts at $649, going upwards to $869 for the everything model. Add tax.

No hidden pricing anywhere.

On par with every other 'flagship' phone out there. Apple/Samsung/LG etc.

Not sure why you keep droning on about google hiding pricing, the real price is everywhere.

Phone financing is nothing new, carriers (where most people buy phones) have been doing it for years, now you are going to try an vilify google for giving people the option to do so ? Phones have never been cheap, you just got used to them being 'cheap' as they were subsidized by carriers (but you pay them for it anyhow, monthly).

Instead, people who can't do math support Google's internal pressures to keep the price--and revenues--up.

LMFAO.

You do realize Google is a for-profit company, right?
Also glad to see your view of 'people' is so low.

If 'people' dont do their due diligence, then that is their fault. Not Googles.
If 'people' cannot be responsible for their own finances why is that Googles fault?

Every phone on the market is built far cheaper than what it sells for, thats basic business 101. Companies exist to make money.

Its up to YOU, the consumer to decide whether or not YOU can justify the price.

Designed for obsolescence with its non-removable battery and its lack of SD card slot? That's a ton of coin.

Just described every iPhone ever produced, but they manage to sell more than 10 a year.

 

[Adam Frix]

they're not "hiding" the pricing so much as hiding it with the "oh, we'll finance it for you! it's only a few bucks a month MORE than what you were paying for your Nexus 6P!" or whatever.

And since the majority of people are bad at math and think this is a "great deal," it gives the mfr permission to charge stupid prices. If people refused to buy it at $1000, the mfr would lower the price. But "only" a "few" bucks more per month? The ignorant masses grab onto that, rationalize their behavior, and give the mfr every reason to keep on truckin' up that price ladder.

And like I said, TANSTAAFL. "Free" financing??? That there's pure BS. The finance charge is built into the price; why should I pay full boat for it if I want to pay cash? Give me a discount for not financing it. Shoot, even the scummy furniture stores give a discount for cash.

 

[shamdawg]

Mistake post

 

[renegad3]

they're not "hiding" the pricing so much as hiding it with the "oh, we'll finance it for you! it's only a few bucks a month MORE than what you were paying for your Nexus 6P!" or whatever.

And since the majority of people are bad at math and think this is a "great deal," it gives the mfr permission to charge stupid prices. If people refused to buy it at $1000, the mfr would lower the price. But "only" a "few" bucks more per month? The ignorant masses grab onto that, rationalize their behavior, and give the mfr every reason to keep on truckin' up that price ladder.

And like I said, TANSTAAFL. "Free" financing??? That there's pure BS. The finance charge is built into the price; why should I pay full boat for it if I want to pay cash? Give me a discount for not financing it. Shoot, even the scummy furniture stores give a discount for cash.

Well, again, its not a thousand dollars, they start at $649. Pricing is right up front when you buy one, not sure where you even come up with even the notion they are hiding the price, in any form. They list the price at every step of the way on their website. They also offer financing, just like every other consumer outlet.

If you cant do simple math, then you shouldnt be buying a smartphone (not you personally, obviously you wont be buying one at all).

Its a shame you have so low opinion of humanity however.

Remind me to thank the 'ignorant masses' for the free financing I got from Google to buy this, since they are paying the exact same price upfront that I will pay off at my leisure over the next 24 months.

 

[Adam Frix]

what you think is opinion, is actually observation.

 

[PaulQ]

I was reading here where people were saying to just get a 6P. I noticed that the 6P vanished from Google's site the instant the Pixel went up. But I just looked at Amazon and Best Buy, they still have the 6P. The 64GB is $499. Is that what it was selling for right before the Pixel came out?

I had to do a warranty replacement last month and the "bill" says $549.

Google must have a decent stock of 5x's and 6P's, right? Do they just push all those to Amazon and Best Buy to finish off the inventory?

 

[Aquila]

I was reading here where people were saying to just get a 6P. I noticed that the 6P vanished from Google's site the instant the Pixel went up. But I just looked at Amazon and Best Buy, they still have the 6P. The 64GB is $499. Is that what it was selling for right before the Pixel came out?

I had to do a warranty replacement last month and the "bill" says $549.

Google must have a decent stock of 5x's and 6P's, right? Do they just push all those to Amazon and Best Buy to finish off the inventory?

It's still for sale from Project Fi: https://fi.google.com/about/phones/#phone-prices

 

[PaulQ]

It's still for sale from Project Fi: https://fi.google.com/about/phones/#phone-prices

Ah! Well, now it all makes sense. Very smooth, Google. Market only the Pixel to the masses. Give multiple options if you want to join their network. I can't fault them for this.

 

[spewak]

Got my 6P for close to a year now. Still one of the best phones I ever had, and the best Android experience. I think I only liked my WebOS phones better.

You nailed it!

 

[Brandwin]

I am still tempted. I will wait and see after they are released.

 

[DoctorAllam]

I don't have the nexus 6P and was thrilled about the Pixel XL, but got shocked with the price which is way more than my budget.
So what do you think I should do; buy the nexus 6p or get more money for the pixel xl ?!!

 

[bjrosen]

I don't have the nexus 6P and was thrilled about the Pixel XL, but got shocked with the price which is way more than my budget.
So what do you think I should do; buy the nexus 6p or get more money for the pixel xl ?!!

I wouldn't buy a Pixel XL, at that price I'd go for an LG V20 or an S7 Edge (the Note 7 is gone, it's ridden a pillar of fire to smartphone Valhalla). The LG V20 is coming out with Nougat, the first non-Nexus phone to have it, so it looks like they are committed to updating the software on a timely basis, for that reason I'd lean to LG. The 6P is still an excellent phone and at $550 for a 64G version it's a bargain so if you can still get one that would be a fine way to go.