No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6 for me

[Jeremy8000]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

So, if you could only choose between two phones, would you choose an Amazon Fire Phone, or would you choose a Nexus 6 with an extended battery?

We're really straying here but I'll indulge. One exists, the other doesn't. If they did exist? The N6, of course. But I maintain that we're more likely to see Amazon try to come out with a 2nd generation Fire Phone than to see Google come out with a Nexus 6 "uber battery" model to sell alongside the current Nexus 6 wherein the only difference is battery size. I'd say the odds on the latter are right up there with Apple introducing an iPhone 6 variant that runs on Android OS.

 

[joewoo]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

10k battery lol.... I didn't even bother reading the rest of the thread.... there's no way you can justify that

 

[Scott7217]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

We're really straying here but I'll indulge. One exists, the other doesn't. If they did exist? The N6, of course. But I maintain that we're more likely to see Amazon try to come out with a 2nd generation Fire Phone than to see Google come out with a Nexus 6 "uber battery" model to sell alongside the current Nexus 6 wherein the only difference is battery size.

Exactly, you would give a Nexus 6 with an extended battery a chance, which is all anyone is asking for. Let the market decide. Let people choose.

I would even argue that a 2nd generation Amazon Fire Phone has a high chance of flopping based on reputation alone. I think Amazon would do better co-marketing the Nexus 6 with Google and Motorola.

Google has no problem releasing a red Nexus 5 along with the white and black models, even though a red Nexus 5 offers no functional advantage. (It's only a change in appearance.) An extended battery has a tangible functional advantage, which makes all the difference.

 

[Jeremy8000]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

Google has no problem releasing a red Nexus 5 along with the white and black models, even though a red Nexus 5 offers no functional advantage. (It's only a change in appearance.) An extended battery has a tangible functional advantage, which makes all the difference.

The color of the shell has a very minimal impact on production costs between, and wouldn't require any additional QC testing . A different battery means at least two more additional unique physical components to addressed at the manufacturing level and at least partly a separate assembly unit (color of a part won't affect assembly process; different shapes, etc, of physical components will).

And color options have been a practice of Nexus for several generations. It's nothing new. It's an option with nearly every phone by every manufacturer. What you're suggesting would be a change from the standard practice Google has taken for years. I'm pleased to continue considering this if you have a logical reasoning as to how creating a divergence of devices solely in battery size would further the goals for the Nexus series (which evidently remains about showcasing the latest in the evolution of the Android OS); otherwise...

 

[Scott7217]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

If you need more than 10 hours of on-screen time with a phone every day, perhaps a phone is not the correct piece of hardware to be using.

Some people like to go beyond the limits.

I wonder if Motorola (or any manufacturer) developed a new battery that could hold double (or even triple) the charge capacity within the same volume, would anyone have an objection to that? It would require research and development into new polymers, but I believe companies are actively pursuing that goal.

 

[stylez619]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

Some people like to go beyond the limits.

That's fine and dandy but no matter what the hardware specs there's always a limit. Even a 10,000mAh battery has a limit - that's not justification for an OEM to provide a 15,000mAh model....

Some people like to go beyond the limits.

I wonder if Motorola (or any manufacturer) developed a new battery that could hold double (or even triple) the charge capacity within the same volume, would anyone have an objection to that? It would require research and development into new polymers, but I believe companies are actively pursuing that goal.

Apples and oranges. Making a better battery and using a bigger battery are two completely unrelated topics.

 

[kingmac38]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

Battery technology is prohibitively expensive ... r and d is high dollar ..... that's why the batteries we use are kind of old technology wise ... it comes down to money but the high dollar batteries are around but they are very expensive .... like batteries that military uses for sat phones etc .... not monetarily useful for a mass produced phone

 

[stylez619]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

80 percent in 15 minutes may be a little exaggeration .

Sorry, 6 hours worth in 15 minutes time (according to Motorola)
Nexus 6 – Google


But again, all this battery talk is a little ridiculous. You can spare setting your phone down for 15 mins to gain back 6 or so hours of use. There's no reasonable stance that should make it a deal breaker.

 

[Scott7217]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

Battery technology is prohibitively expensive ... r and d is high dollar ..... that's why the batteries we use are kind of old technology wise ...

True, it's not easy to make a battery. You need something that can hold a large charge and release it without overheating or exploding.

Perhaps the next direction we should look at would be power-efficient processors, cell radios, and displays. Maybe the way to achieve greater screen-on time is to have the phone sip power instead of gulping it down, so to speak.

 

[Scott7217]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

80 percent in 15 minutes may be a little exaggeration .

Turbo charging is a neat feature, but it might not even be necessary if we're making the argument that external batteries are good enough. The same would go for wireless charging. (We don't even have wireless charging in the Nexus 9.)

We could probably remove both features to reduce costs, improve reliability (by eliminating possible points of failure), and shorten manufacturing time.

 

[kingmac38]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

True, it's not easy to make a battery. You need something that can hold a large charge and release it without overheating or exploding.

Perhaps the next direction we should look at would be power-efficient processors, cell radios, and displays. Maybe the way to achieve greater screen-on time is to have the phone sip power instead of gulping it down, so to speak.

The new 64 bit processors will help a bunch .... they can process just as much as now but at lower clock speed ...which will generate less heat and use less battery to do the same computing ....but its just keeping up with the other technological advances ...because screen are getting higher resolution and bigger

 

[Scott7217]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

The new 64 bit processors will help a bunch .... they can process just as much as now but at lower clock speed ...which will generate less heat and use less battery to do the same computing ....but its just keeping up with the other technological advances ...because screen are getting higher resolution and bigger

That's probably why the Nexus 6 has an AMOLED display. When a pixel is displaying black, it's actually completely off and not using power. That should save a lot of power compared to LCD.

I know a lot of people aren't fans of AMOLED, but hopefully Motorola and Google will change their minds with the display on the Nexus 6.

 

[Scott7217]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

That's fine and dandy but no matter what the hardware specs there's always a limit. Even a 10,000mAh battery has a limit - that's not justification for an OEM to provide a 15,000mAh model....

True, which is good that no one is asking for a 15,000 mAh model.

I've been thinking that the Motorola Droid Maxx line has great potential. That's supposed to last 48 hours on a single charge. Maybe Motorola will make a Nexus 6 Maxx.

 

[mayconvert]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

posts lke this are like me going to the Nexus 5 boards and posting, NO S-PEN is a deal breaker to me.... absolutely pointless thread.

 

[Scott7217]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

posts lke this are like me going to the Nexus 5 boards and posting, NO S-PEN is a deal breaker to me.... absolutely pointless thread.

People value different features.

For example, not everyone needs LTE. Some places don't have LTE coverage. Other places have great 3G speeds. Even if you did have LTE, it'll just make you blow through your data cap that much faster. Plus you can always find a Starbucks or McDonald's that has free wifi, or simply wait until you go home to use your home broadband internet. In fact, Google removed LTE from the Nexus 4 because honestly, if you truly needed LTE, you can simply get a dedicated LTE hotspot (which is about the size of an external battery).

However, people asked for more, so now we have LTE on the Nexus.

Not everyone needs a 13 MP camera. Most people end up posting photos on Facebook, where you don't need much detail for cropping. Even then, most of the photos are of trivial things, like a picture of their lunch or something silly that their pet just did. When you want to take a real photo at an important event (like a wedding), you bring a real camera. Virtually any point and shoot camera will beat the quality of any phone camera by miles. It's not even close. Plus cameras these days aren't too big. (They're about the size of an external battery.)

However, people asked for more, so now we have a 13 MP camera on the Nexus.

Not everyone needs support for multiple US carriers in a single phone. Most people just try 1 or 2 carriers, then settle on the one that has the best signal. If you happen to go outside your local signal area (like on a business trip or a vacation), you can simply get a cheap, prepaid flip phone to use temporarily while you're away. (They're about the size of an external battery.)

However, people asked for more, so now we have support for Sprint, Verizon, T-Mobile, and AT&T on the Nexus. Oh, we also have US Cellular. It would be a tragedy to leave out US Cellular.

A lot of things that people wanted could have been handled by additional devices that are all about the size of an external battery. However, people prefer to have the capabilities of those devices incorporated into their smartphone. They asked for more, and Google delivered. Maybe someday we can add the external battery itself to that list.

 

[Almeuit]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

Sorry, 6 hours worth in 15 minutes time (according to Motorola)
Nexus 6 – Google


But again, all this battery talk is a little ridiculous. You can spare setting your phone down for 15 mins to gain back 6 or so hours of use. There's no reasonable stance that should make it a deal breaker.

Maybe 6 hours of very small use for 15 minute charge.. Just like turbo claims 8 hours in 15 minutes... With extreme circumstances sure.. But real use? No.

 

[kingmac38]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

Its probably six hours of standby time in 15 min. ... so like 1hr screen time give or take

 

[ryanr509]

Re: No removeable battery is a deal-breaker for Nexus 6

Maybe 6 hours of very small use for 15 minute charge.. Just like turbo claims 8 hours in 15 minutes... With extreme circumstances sure.. But real use? No.

With the turbo charger for the droid turbo I get about 25% in those 15 minutes. That's good for about 1.5hrs screen time. For me if I'm at home that's probably like 5 hours worth of use in 15 minutes give or take.