In hindsight, that commercial confuses me. The swappable battery feature really negates the purpose of the Ultra Power Saving Mode. The 2 features really cancel each other out if you think about it. Does anyone know if the swappable battery feature was marketed anywhere else?
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Amy wineBerry
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Don't know why you're confused about any of this. The two features do not cancel one another out. One feature is used to slow down battery power depletion. The other is used to swap out the battery once it's depleted. The iPhone allowed for neither at that point in time.
Swappable battery isn't so much a feature in the traditional sense as it was just something the old Samsung devices allowed. And it was used as a selling point. As was the power saver mode.
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Other than this commercial, the swappable battery was really a selling point? The general public rarely think plastic phones are synonymous with the swappable battery feature, less premium comes to their minds instead.
When I had the S5, I only used the Ultra Power Saving Mode once, never again when I discovered the swappable battery feature. So yes, the swappable feature negates the UPSM feature. Once you pop in a new battery, no need for UPSM.
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You don't seem to understand how the two can be mutually exclusive. Some people do not turn on power saving mode because of the things that are impacted. Power saving mode means many features are turned off and the phone is running the bare minimum. For this reason, many people will forego this feature when they know they can pop in another battery and keep it moving.
If you don't buy or carry additional batteries, power saving mode proves beneficial if you need to squeeze out as much battery life before your next charge.
As to another point...you had an S5 and had to "discover" that it had a removable battery?
Removable battery use to be a huge selling point to many people. Especially those who came from BlackBerries. (As was the SD card "feature.")
Samsung was in fact touting that the benefits to having one of their devices was that one could change the battery as opposed to having to charge the phone (and that one could incorporate additional storage). Now, Samsung is whistling a bit of a different tune and pushing fast charging and wireless charging.
Additionally, people do not think plastic phones are synonymous with removable batteries. I don't know what that statement has to do with all this...
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Hmmm, maybe we are saying the same thing, especially in terms of what UPSM does. What I'm saying is that those who have an extra battery would not need to use the UPSM feature because there's no reason to. Since the swappable battery feature yields 100% battery life the fastest, and certainly overall better than UPSM, I think Samsung should have marketed the swappable battery feature much more, instead it was lost in translation in this commercial in favor of UPSM. As you said, UPSM limits your usage, swappable battery doesn't. The only inconvenience, if any, is to carry another thin battery or have it accessible near you.
As for Samsung's plastic phones, in my experience, many folks don't see the benefit of it, sadly, especially Apple consumers. Maybe because the benefits, sd card and swappable battery, weren't marketed enough.
Anyway, can you pin point how else Samsung marketed the swappable battery feature?
And yes, sadly, I didn't know about the swappable battery in the S5 despite its plastic back. As mentioned, it wasn't until the Note 4. Had I known about it on the S5, I would have opted for the swappable battery instead of the UPSM.
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These are definitely interesting times we live in right now ever since Apple put a push out to make bigger phones and open up more features. It makes the choice for consumers a much closer thing than ever before. I decided to break it down a bit in terms if Android (not just the Note 5) devices vs iPhone.
Hardware
IMO this is a =/= thing. Numerous Android OEM's are making phones now that are just as well made as an iPhone not just in terms of aesthetics but quality as well. No advantage for either here. Although that of course means you have to actually be savvy enough to buy one of the better made brands.
Software
This has to be broken down into subcategories simply because there are facets to this argument.
App quality
I'm going to give this its own category since it gets mentioned so often. iPhone users commonly tout this as an advantage but there's one problem I have with that. It mostly only applies if you aren't a good Android app shopper.
Camera: I'd honestly have to wait for the 6S Plus to come out to call this one. My prediction is another =/=
User Experience
If you're a pretty tech savvy user who wants what is basically a highly functional small PC you can carry in your pocket then there's no question Android owns this segment of the mobile market. For a more casual user who just wants to launch apps and take a more or less completely hands off approach, that's the iPhone's arena. You won't be managing your own files, performing more complex interactions between various apps, setting up the internal tasks your phone performs to suit specific scenarios etc. But you will have a very finely tuned app launcher that still to this day lives very much up tho the "just works" motto, extremely well which is an advantage of controlling all aspects of both HW and SW. I almost hate to say this but I actually feel I'd be better off steering a person who isn't a techie towards an iPhone because I seriously think you're cheating yourself buying an Android phone without knowing all of the numerous and wonderful things you can do with one.
The vast majority of casual users won't come here, or especially a treasure trove of tech know-how like XDA to learn the ins and outs of their smartphone. For those types of users who choose Android, they'll just look at a price tag and go "nah, this phone costs $200 less, I'll buy this one, I don't need the fruit logo". In fact I'll even go so far as to say they'll walk into a store and see one of the 2014's and say "sweet! this phone is $0 on contract!" and just go that route. Which brings me to:
Price
This depends on where you live. In many countries outside of the US that still use carrier contracts, there's a pretty big gap of about $100+ between a phone like the Note 5 and the 6S Plus on contract and that's just the 16GB version. In today's age 16GB without an SD card isn't quite cutting it anymore. So while one or two hundred bucks over two years may not seem like anything to care about, it adds up to several thousands better spent on other things over the course of a lifetime. One big value an Android buyer enjoys though is that if you allow the initial first few months of a brand new phone to go by and then go shopping, the carriers seem to cut prices quite a bit because some other Android OEM has launched a new flagship. iPhones on the other hand appear to stay high in price all through the year until the next model comes out and even then only drop about $100
Community
No contest at all here. Go to a popular Apple forum for a while. I don't think anything more needs to be added here. AC, XDA, Phandroid, Android Authority blow iMore and MacRumors away in terms of staff, blog writers, and usefulness of members.
Privacy
Apple talks a big game on this one and I'll concede to them a little. To me it's a trust issue. I casually hang out in a couple of hacker communities purely for security news, not because I'm a wannabe script kiddie. One common thing I've noticed is that a lot of tech companies - to be blunt - either flat out lie about their privacy policies or aren't behaving quite as altruistically as they claim they are. That being said, regardless of what any of them claim they're doing or not doing, no men in black suits have ever come to my door and said "aha! In October 2012 we saw you surfing a nudie site! Busted!" I've also never had anyone email me or text me or snail me anything whatsoever in my entire mobile tech life what constitutes as unsolicited advertising because of my internet activities. I'm sure Google is collecting my habits to profit from it by selling metadata. But has one single company ever communicated to me directly because of that? Nope not even once. If anything, the only annoying thing I have to deal with are plain old fashioned flyers in my mailbox that I need to throw in the recycle bin.
Final thoughts
I'm sure I could've added more to this and missed some points but I think it's pretty decent for a quick summary of my thoughts on the subject. I think the important thing to keep in mind when deciding is what kinds of things you care about the most on this list and what kind of user described above you are.
Where do I stand personally? To me it really does come down to price. I love what both companies are offering this year. The iPhones I mentioned I always have alongside my Android belong to family members although i use them frequently because dad is the house techie. But yeah... Every time I see my carrier offering an iPhone for $500 on contract or an Android for $200-$300 and knowing that I have the know-how to fine-tune that phone with minimal time and effort, it's purely price for me. It's not a budget issue. I make 6 figures/year and so does my wife. he issue with me is that if I said "it's only $200" for every other thing I buy every couple of years, that amounts to $2000 every couple of years and TENS of thousands over a lifetime. Exactly why I quit smoking
There are certain products I will not compromise quality on just for the sake for price. A car. A power tool. A home improvement item. But the overall quality of an iPhone vs a good flagship Android phone is negligible in my books and certainly not a $200 difference and not a compromise at all.
Hardware
IMO this is a =/= thing. Numerous Android OEM's are making phones now that are just as well made as an iPhone not just in terms of aesthetics but quality as well. No advantage for either here. Although that of course means you have to actually be savvy enough to buy one of the better made brands.
Software
This has to be broken down into subcategories simply because there are facets to this argument.
- Features and capabilities: I hand this one to Android with the caveat that if you aren't a power user that cares about things like more advanced app interoperability, file management, user customization of how you operate your phone, apps with deeper API controls, and a few more things I failed to remember right now.
- Performance: Year after year iOS on the iPhone has been smoother than Android and that still applies. I have used both side by side continuously for the last 4+ years and I won't make any bones about it. The iPhone is a smoother experience still. Of course that comes with the trade-off of my previous point. The main thing to remember though is now the difference is not really stark enough to care about unless you're extremely nit-picky about an occasional stutter.
- Google Now vs Siri: Sorry, even still this isn't a contest. I actually fully expected Apple to throw Google a curve ball this year and surprise us all with a complete catch-up maneuver and announce a bunch of amazing changes to Siri in iOS 9 bringing it up to par with Google Now but that didn't happen. There have been some marked improvements though. However if Google rests on it's laurels and allows Google Now to just peter off, then at this rate next year's Siri does stand a very good chance of equalizing this playing field. This is one area Google better stay on their toes.
- Updates: this is a mixed bag. On one hand Apple has instant updates and almost no bloatware. On the other hand a 6 month delayed Android update is capable of doing more than a current version of iOS. I may have to wait until Feb/March for marshmellow but from a power user's perspective Lollipop is already more capable than iOS 9.
App quality
I'm going to give this its own category since it gets mentioned so often. iPhone users commonly tout this as an advantage but there's one problem I have with that. It mostly only applies if you aren't a good Android app shopper.
Camera: I'd honestly have to wait for the 6S Plus to come out to call this one. My prediction is another =/=
User Experience
If you're a pretty tech savvy user who wants what is basically a highly functional small PC you can carry in your pocket then there's no question Android owns this segment of the mobile market. For a more casual user who just wants to launch apps and take a more or less completely hands off approach, that's the iPhone's arena. You won't be managing your own files, performing more complex interactions between various apps, setting up the internal tasks your phone performs to suit specific scenarios etc. But you will have a very finely tuned app launcher that still to this day lives very much up tho the "just works" motto, extremely well which is an advantage of controlling all aspects of both HW and SW. I almost hate to say this but I actually feel I'd be better off steering a person who isn't a techie towards an iPhone because I seriously think you're cheating yourself buying an Android phone without knowing all of the numerous and wonderful things you can do with one.
The vast majority of casual users won't come here, or especially a treasure trove of tech know-how like XDA to learn the ins and outs of their smartphone. For those types of users who choose Android, they'll just look at a price tag and go "nah, this phone costs $200 less, I'll buy this one, I don't need the fruit logo". In fact I'll even go so far as to say they'll walk into a store and see one of the 2014's and say "sweet! this phone is $0 on contract!" and just go that route. Which brings me to:
Price
This depends on where you live. In many countries outside of the US that still use carrier contracts, there's a pretty big gap of about $100+ between a phone like the Note 5 and the 6S Plus on contract and that's just the 16GB version. In today's age 16GB without an SD card isn't quite cutting it anymore. So while one or two hundred bucks over two years may not seem like anything to care about, it adds up to several thousands better spent on other things over the course of a lifetime. One big value an Android buyer enjoys though is that if you allow the initial first few months of a brand new phone to go by and then go shopping, the carriers seem to cut prices quite a bit because some other Android OEM has launched a new flagship. iPhones on the other hand appear to stay high in price all through the year until the next model comes out and even then only drop about $100
Community
No contest at all here. Go to a popular Apple forum for a while. I don't think anything more needs to be added here. AC, XDA, Phandroid, Android Authority blow iMore and MacRumors away in terms of staff, blog writers, and usefulness of members.
Privacy
Apple talks a big game on this one and I'll concede to them a little. To me it's a trust issue. I casually hang out in a couple of hacker communities purely for security news, not because I'm a wannabe script kiddie. One common thing I've noticed is that a lot of tech companies - to be blunt - either flat out lie about their privacy policies or aren't behaving quite as altruistically as they claim they are. That being said, regardless of what any of them claim they're doing or not doing, no men in black suits have ever come to my door and said "aha! In October 2012 we saw you surfing a nudie site! Busted!" I've also never had anyone email me or text me or snail me anything whatsoever in my entire mobile tech life what constitutes as unsolicited advertising because of my internet activities. I'm sure Google is collecting my habits to profit from it by selling metadata. But has one single company ever communicated to me directly because of that? Nope not even once. If anything, the only annoying thing I have to deal with are plain old fashioned flyers in my mailbox that I need to throw in the recycle bin.
Final thoughts
I'm sure I could've added more to this and missed some points but I think it's pretty decent for a quick summary of my thoughts on the subject. I think the important thing to keep in mind when deciding is what kinds of things you care about the most on this list and what kind of user described above you are.
Where do I stand personally? To me it really does come down to price. I love what both companies are offering this year. The iPhones I mentioned I always have alongside my Android belong to family members although i use them frequently because dad is the house techie. But yeah... Every time I see my carrier offering an iPhone for $500 on contract or an Android for $200-$300 and knowing that I have the know-how to fine-tune that phone with minimal time and effort, it's purely price for me. It's not a budget issue. I make 6 figures/year and so does my wife. he issue with me is that if I said "it's only $200" for every other thing I buy every couple of years, that amounts to $2000 every couple of years and TENS of thousands over a lifetime. Exactly why I quit smoking
There are certain products I will not compromise quality on just for the sake for price. A car. A power tool. A home improvement item. But the overall quality of an iPhone vs a good flagship Android phone is negligible in my books and certainly not a $200 difference and not a compromise at all.
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I am ashamed! Today I was destroyed by an iPhone guy in a comment section on CNET. The article is about Samsung now possibly offering a leasing program like Apple. I came out swinging but eventually lost to a more prepared apple lover. His points were valid and fierce we went down the list from air view vs 3d touch, to the size of the notes vs iPhone 6+, etc... I just couldn't compete. I still love my note over any iPhone though. I just couldn't win this day!
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PHONES: Galaxy Nexus, LG viper, Galaxy s3, HTC Evo 4g, Galaxy Note 2, Galaxy s5, LG G-Flex, Galaxy Mega 6.3, Galaxy s6 edge, Galaxy Note 5. TABLETS: Galaxy Note 10.1 gt-n8013, Galaxy tab 3 7.0. WATCH: Galaxy gear
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DEVICE HISTORY (since they got smart)
PHONES: Galaxy Nexus, LG viper, Galaxy s3, HTC Evo 4g, Galaxy Note 2, Galaxy s5, LG G-Flex, Galaxy Mega 6.3, Galaxy s6 edge, Galaxy Note 5. TABLETS: Galaxy Note 10.1 gt-n8013, Galaxy tab 3 7.0. WATCH: Galaxy gear
I just read it. You unfortunately went into the debate not quite having your ducks all lined up about the details of 3d touch, that's how he got you. Next time research your topic and don't let him lure you into one area. There's numerous avenues of approach to show the capabilities android has over iOS but in the end, article comment fields are probably the worst place to debate anything
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So true!
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DEVICE HISTORY (since they got smart)
PHONES: Galaxy Nexus, LG viper, Galaxy s3, HTC Evo 4g, Galaxy Note 2, Galaxy s5, LG G-Flex, Galaxy Mega 6.3, Galaxy s6 edge, Galaxy Note 5. TABLETS: Galaxy Note 10.1 gt-n8013, Galaxy tab 3 7.0. WATCH: Galaxy gear
Re: So there is 0 people here waiting to see what the iPhone 6S Plus will be like before buying Note
of course iphone6s lol
of course iphone6s lol
Re: So there is 0 people here waiting to see what the iPhone 6S Plus will be like before buying Note
Wow. Be thankful you're not Canadian! I just found out they got hosed brutally on iPhone pricing. A 6S Plus with 64GB is going to cost them $660 on contract. Ouch. I think Samsung is going to do quite well up there this year lol. I mean even if you can afford it, that's still a stupidly high on contract price for any smartphone.
Wow. Be thankful you're not Canadian! I just found out they got hosed brutally on iPhone pricing. A 6S Plus with 64GB is going to cost them $660 on contract. Ouch. I think Samsung is going to do quite well up there this year lol. I mean even if you can afford it, that's still a stupidly high on contract price for any smartphone.
I have been using android since 2010 after the flop of WebOS and just got the iPhone. I am really impressed and I am done with android. If Apple didn't up the size and T-Mobile didn't offer such a great promo I would have never gave it a shot. The apps are higher quality and I like the integration.
Re: iPhone 6s plus or note 5
No it can't but on the iphone there are no widgets to look at when the screen is on. Just a bunch of little squares that look exactly like everyone else's iPhone. Maybe if you shut off every feature that Android has that iPhone lacks you could actually get close to 8 hours of screen time? Anyway my wife's iPhone 6 plus doesn't get anywhere near 8 hours of screen time so you must be doing something great to get that much time
Re: So there is 0 people here waiting to see what the iPhone 6S Plus will be like before buying Note
That has nothing to do with Samsung, but everything to do with carriers that aren't doing subsidized prices. I paid much less than $660 for my 64 gb phone and it is not a contract price. Contracts are going away.
That has nothing to do with Samsung, but everything to do with carriers that aren't doing subsidized prices. I paid much less than $660 for my 64 gb phone and it is not a contract price. Contracts are going away.
Re: So there is 0 people here waiting to see what the iPhone 6S Plus will be like before buying Note
The 6S plus isn't Samsung
Re: So there is 0 people here waiting to see what the iPhone 6S Plus will be like before buying Note
Well I know it isn't lol. I guess I just saw Samsung in the reply and the $660 price was close to the N5 one lol
The 6S plus isn't Samsung
Well I know it isn't lol. I guess I just saw Samsung in the reply and the $660 price was close to the N5 one lol
I honestly never cared or used widgets. I really like the clean look of iOS. The notification area on iOS is nice and clean and has lots of useful info. I used android since 2010 and got the iPhone 6s Plus recently. I can't see myself returning to android. I really like how everything works on iOS. Like the Touch ID to sign into my bank and the new 3D Touch. I know some android phones have fingerprint reader but I doubt bank apps support it.
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For me, more productivity on note5. Stabilility in os management, app quality, privacy and better os support is for ios. Choose what you need 
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I just picked up the 6s Plus yesterday and so far I am not impressed at all. To me, it is the same phone as last year, with a slightly better camera and a different method to touch the screen. Which, in my opinion, is kind of useless at the moment. Doesn't seem much faster or more intuitive as compared to just opening the app. This is either going up for sale or I'm returning it and going back to a Note 5, edge Plus or Nexus 6P. I've used tons of iOS devices in the past and this seems very much like them all. Solid. But the same ole boring OS. It's nothing new for the most part.
thats why I finally bought th s6 wish the note 5 was out. yes I suffer from a sucky battery life and a few other things I miss. but i just feel apple only give you enough to keep buying and nothing more. offers new features but it takes forever for them to work or to be useful. My wife is blind and android is just not up to the level of voiceover yet. so finally get her a new mini 4 since she had the first one and it was stuck on iOS 7. works fine nothing really new about it but man now the sell the case the back and front separate and the total cost of both is 100.00 1/4" the cost of the tablet it's self.
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