Note 8: Would you rather have a Headphone jack, a Bigger Battery, or FPS under the screen?

[RossJosh]

Battery obviously, it's obviously retarded to remove a headphone jack, but I don't usually listen to music on my phone, so it's acceptable.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

Headphone jack.

Yeah, this is a first for me.

 

[Aquila]

Don't think I care about any of the three.

Headphone jack only matters if USB C to 3.5mm adapters don't exist. They do.
Battery size doesn't matter, battery LIFE matters.
FPS under the display... since no major devices have done this yet, we don't know if it's a good thing. I'm 100% ok with it being on the back of the device, under the screen would be ok too. As long as it's not a button on the front of the device, such as on a bezel we're good.

How about major OS updates within 14 days of their release by Google and security updates guaranteed for 3 years within 48 hours of their release by Google?

 

[chanchan05]

Don't think I care about any of the three.

Headphone jack only matters if USB C to 3.5mm adapters don't exist. They do.
Battery size doesn't matter, battery LIFE matters.
FPS under the display... since no major devices have done this yet, we don't know if it's a good thing. I'm 100% ok with it being on the back of the device, under the screen would be ok too. As long as it's not a button on the front of the device, such as on a bezel we're good.

How about major OS updates within 14 days of their release by Google and security updates guaranteed for 3 years within 48 hours of their release by Google?

Not sure you know the difference between battery size and battery life. Battery lifespan is the time it usually takes for the battery to degrade. Usually this is 2-3 years. Battery size or capacity directly measures how long your battery lasts on a charge. That's why there is an 'h' there. It stands for hours. A battery of 3000mah can provide you with 3000 hours of battery capacity at a 1 milliampere current.

 

[Aquila]

Not sure you know the difference between battery size and battery life. Battery lifespan is the time it usually takes for the battery to degrade. Usually this is 2-3 years. Battery size or capacity directly measures how long your battery lasts on a charge. That's why there is an 'h' there. It stands for hours. A battery of 3000mah can provide you with 3000 hours of battery capacity at a 1 milliampere current.

Sorry, by battery life I meant how long the battery lasts between charges. I didn't mean lifespan, but daily usage. The battery capacity is measuring the volume, not how long it lasts because the current used by devices varies based on the hardware, software and usage habits of the user. So two different devices with the exact same battery capacity and being used by the exact same user can have wildly different battery life based solely on differences in the efficiency of the hardware and software.

Even two very similar devices, say the Note 8 and S8+ - they have a 6% difference in battery capacity. They have the same SoC, very similar software - although there are some differences. The display COULD be more power efficient on one vs the other and the kernel on the Note series historically has been more tuned towards power savings than the S line. If that rings true, the smaller battery in the Note 8 could easily match or even outlast the S8+, despite the smaller capacity.

TL/DR: How long it lasts during usage matters, not the capacity. The capacity and usage values, if they're correlated at all, are correlated extremely weakly... because there are way too many other factors that impact battery life.

 

[chanchan05]

Sorry, by battery life I meant how long the battery lasts between charges. I didn't mean lifespan, but daily usage. The battery capacity is measuring the volume, not how long it lasts because the current used by devices varies based on the hardware, software and usage habits of the user. So two different devices with the exact same battery capacity and being used by the exact same user can have wildly different battery life based solely on differences in the efficiency of the hardware and software.

Even two very similar devices, say the Note 8 and S8+ - they have a 6% difference in battery capacity. They have the same SoC, very similar software - although there are some differences. The display COULD be more power efficient on one vs the other and the kernel on the Note series historically has been more tuned towards power savings than the S line. If that rings true, the smaller battery in the Note 8 could easily match or even outlast the S8+, despite the smaller capacity.

TL/DR: How long it lasts during usage matters, not the capacity. The capacity and usage values, if they're correlated at all, are correlated extremely weakly... because there are way too many other factors that impact battery life.

Doesn't matter if it's more efficient. Won't change the faI still want them to slap a 5000mah battery in it.

 

[Almeuit]

Bigger Battery just for more capacity.

FPS under screen -- sounds cool and all but not a *need* for me. I could just have it on the back.

Headphone jack -- I haven't used one of these in a long time. Bluetooth all the time.

 

[Aquila]

Doesn't matter if it's more efficient. Won't change the faI still want them to slap a 5000mah battery in it.

What's a fal? If mAh isn't strongly correlated with battery life, then efficiency is the only thing that truly moves the needle. Efficiency comes from the silicon, the display efficiency, heat management and the software. You can have a 5000 mAh battery in a device that will still have terrible battery life and we've seen a dozen or more devices with 3000 mAh or less that have great battery life. So that is why how long it lasts matters, not the number. The number is irrelevant.

As a side note, how would they even fit a 5000 mAh battery in that device? Remember what happened last year when they put giant faulty batteries in a tiny space? Making the battery 42% larger than the faulty huge one and putting it in an even tinier space seems just just bad planning.

 

[notefreak]

Samsung hasn't exactly been known for battery efficiency. With many devices they had to release software updates fast after release just to improve battery life.

 

[Aquila]

Samsung hasn't exactly been known for battery efficiency. With many devices they had to release software updates fast after release just to improve battery life.

Granted, however with the S7+ and S8+, both devices have been praised for great battery life in most reviews (I don't have one to compare to what I get out of other devices with similar praise). And the Note series is usually tuned a bit more towards efficiency than the S series, so hopefully that remains true. But either way.. if you have an S8+ or know what to expect from it in battery life, the Note 8 is almost the exact same device with a 6% smaller battery. As an example, if you average 6 hours of SOT in a day with the S8+, all other things being equal, we should assume the Note 8 would last about 21 minutes less, or 5 hours 39 minutes. I can't imagine 21 minutes really being a deal breaker for more than a handful of the most insipid people, let alone a deal breaker for the masses. I'm going to go ahead and continue with the bet that most consumers aren't even going to know the battery size of either phone, let alone care about it.

 

[Serkle K]

Can we keep this on topic? There are plenty other threads that discuss the definite science behind the usage and power of the Battery, the size, the capacity, the life, the mAh, the correlation to percentage usage and the screen on time.

Just trying to keep things light and fun.

The more I think about it, with my S7E, I only use my headphone jack in my car, because it doesn't support media via BT. I have to plug it into the aux port to play anything from my phone.

On my BB Passport, I used (and still do) the headphone jack every morning on my walks with my dog to listen to the radio, because it has a built in tuner, so I don't have to worry about WiFi or Data usage to listen to local stations.

 

[Aquila]

Can we keep this on topic? There are plenty other threads that discuss the definite science behind the usage and power of the Battery, the size, the capacity, the life, the mAh, the correlation to percentage usage and the screen on time.

Just trying to keep things light and fun.

The more I think about it, with my S7E, I only use my headphone jack in my car, because it doesn't support media via BT. I have to plug it into the aux port to play anything from my phone.

On my BB Passport, I used (and still do) the headphone jack every morning on my walks with my dog to listen to the radio, because it has a built in tuner, so I don't have to worry about WiFi or Data usage to listen to local stations.

The headphone jack still works with a small adapter that those who remove the jack include with the device. To me it's not a difference that matters.

 

[debdroid1a]

The headphone jack still works with a small adapter that those who remove the jack include with the device. To me it's not a difference that matters.

I guess the prices aren't to bad. A manager who had to upgrade to the iPhone 7 needed one with a charger output. It was about $30.
But that's an additional piece you have to carry around.

I vote for the headphone jack as well.

 

[LegalAmerican]

This is a tough question for me. I don't really care that the FPS is on the back, for a few reasons. But I thought it would be REALLY cool if it was under the glass on the front.

The headphone jack should be included because I just find it stupid to remove it in general. But I don't really use mine very often, if at all. But I still am a huge advocate for including more features like removable SD, headphone jack, etc.

Bigger battery is obviously the most useful thing for most people, but I had the Note 7 and have felt for the last 10 months that I would have gladly taken a smaller battery if I got to keep my Note 7. So I'm not allowing myself to be upset about the battery here.

I guess my vote would be the FPS just because it would be cool to see how it worked.

 

[Katrina White1]

Headphone jack. If I forget to charge my BT, I'd be screwed without a jack. And sometimes BT is crappy for some reason. Fast charge negates my need for a bigger battery, although it would be nice. Fps... Placement doesn't bother me.

 

[LeoRex]

In-screen FPS... I get that the S8's placement was a 11th hour choice out of necessity, but that doesn't change the fact that it is there. And that placement means I check the S8 off the list of phones I would consider getting. The times I've used one, it took some fumbling to get to and there shouldn't be a learning curve on an FPS... it took all of 2 seconds to 'learn' how to use the FPS on a 6P or G6. The Note 8 might use the same placement... blech... maybe for my wife, who doesn't use it in the first place.

3300mah will do very well and the jack... if there was an adapter in the box, doesn't bother me the least.

 

[jhimmel]

As a side note, how would they even fit a 5000 mAh battery in that device? Remember what happened last year when they put giant faulty batteries in a tiny space? Making the battery 42% larger than the faulty huge one and putting it in an even tinier space seems just just bad planning.

No one suggested squeezing a 5000mAh battery into the same space. No one. Whenever someone suggests a bigger battery, someone invariably starts talking about the Note 7 and cramming it in. It's a strawman argument. What people are suggesting is that they make it a mm thicker (or whatever necessary) and put a 4000mAh battery in there. Samsung can make the phone whatever thickness they want - no cramming needed. Hope that's clear and we can get past that now, but somehow I doubt it...

 

[Aquila]

No one suggested squeezing a 5000mAh battery into the same space. No one. Whenever someone suggests a bigger battery, some one invariably starts talking about the Note 7 and cramming it in. It's a strawman argument. What people are suggesting is that they make it a mm thicker (or whatever necessary) and put a 4000mAh battery in there. Samsung can make the phone whatever thickness they want - no cramming needed. Hope that's clear and we can get past that now, but somehow I doubt it...

Roger that, it seemed like the person I quoted was suggesting that but I may have misunderstood. My main point was about mAh vs hours of use and I think that was more clear.

 

[chanchan05]

What's a fal? If mAh isn't strongly correlated with battery life, then efficiency is the only thing that truly moves the needle. Efficiency comes from the silicon, the display efficiency, heat management and the software. You can have a 5000 mAh battery in a device that will still have terrible battery life and we've seen a dozen or more devices with 3000 mAh or less that have great battery life. So that is why how long it lasts matters, not the number. The number is irrelevant.

As a side note, how would they even fit a 5000 mAh battery in that device? Remember what happened last year when they put giant faulty batteries in a tiny space? Making the battery 42% larger than the faulty huge one and putting it in an even tinier space seems just just bad planning.

I meant fact. Typo.

1. I did not mean they make it less efficient. It would be the same as S8, in so many aspects that it would be close to it in efficiency theoretically. I want an S8 with a 5000mah battery.

2. I did not mean keep it the same size either. I wouldn't mind if they make it thicker and heavier.

 

[Aquila]

I meant fact. Typo.

1. I did not mean they make it less efficient. It would be the same as S8, in so many aspects that it would be close to it in efficiency theoretically. I want an S8 with a 5000mah battery.

2. I did not mean keep it the same size either. I wouldn't mind if they make it thicker and heavier.

I agree I'm fine with more bulk for more battery life, but I'm good with the balance as long as it's all day. There's no dif to me between 1 day and 1.5 days, etc.