At least it will be before the SG2 which will probably get it around Christmas 2012.
Phone Arena unboxing and benchmarks..
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At least it will be before the SG2 which will probably get it around Christmas 2012.
Higher resolution people! Everyone knows higher resolution is harder on gpu and cpu so yeah your going to get a drop in fps but cleaner graphics
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Well considering the Nexus 3 is slated for Christmas and will be the first device with ICS. No neither phone will have it before that. Expect both to get it next year.
Yes you are correct, however this is not a huge bump in resolution by any means. At least for me when doing PC benchmarks, I lose maybe 10fps going from 1280x720 to 1920x1080. You won't see cleaner graphics until Android natively runs in that higher res.
Ahh nooezz the end of the world...when sammy updates the gs2 with ICS. Never knew we would all end that way
Ugh...I give up, I can't find the video anymore in which the SGS2 did over 100 fps, I remember it vividly, but I just can't find it. Anyhow, it is besides the point because all the videos I just now looked at show it clearly limited to 60 fps and all those results landed up in the typical for the SGS2 3500 range.
LOL if Samsung says..."ICS to be released 12/21/2013" I am going to stay in bed and hide under something substantial!
I actually talked to Qualcomm about that on Facebook, and here was their response:
"Well, to be fair, the HTC Sensation & Evo 3D use rad QHD screens which look pretty slick, but def affect benchmark results. Quadrant & Smartbench have GPU as well as CPU tests that negatively impact higher-res screens. BTW, these 2 devices haven't officially launched yet so these test results are based on software that has not yet been fully optimized. Will def be interesting to see how results changed with fully optimized software!"
My initial comment to them was:
"Why do the HTC Sensation and Evo 3d suck so bad in the most commonly used benchmark tests like Quadrant, Smartbench 2011?"
And my last response to which I didn't get an answer yet was:
"
True but the Sensation has been launched so it is final software. As far as the resolution goes the Motorola atrix with its tegra 2 runs at the same resolution and scores higher as well. I watched a lot of sensation reviews and a lot of them think that maybe power management turns one of the cores off which may explain the lower than expected scores? Any merit to that? Many reviewers say the phone is fast, but it just doesn't feel 1.2 ghz dual core fast. Rather disappointing to hear that..."
I tried to rub some salt into the wound to have a better chance of getting a more technical response out of them, but apparently that didn't work
Either way, I am still super excited to get mine next week!
They are not talking about the software of Evo 3d or sensation. They are talking about the developers optimizing their benchmarks for the Evo 3d and sensation, such as quadrant or smartbench. Qualcomm or HTC have other priorities. it is up to the benchmark software developer to look in to the new processor architecutre and optimize accordingly. My personal opinion is that the these new cores seem pretty snappy when it comes to the UI so I am sure they are fast enough.
If someone was going in the region of the 100fps range, it had a different kernal not the stock one.
Think it was the guy on Youtube who got quadrant scores like 4300 and his fps were way up there, could have been 100. He was rooted though.
Yeah I remember seeing that now. He was rooted, with a different kernel. Somebody over in the UK.
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Ok...my thoughts...
Resolution will ALWAYS make a difference. If you think 10 FPS doesn't make a difference than you are mostly correct. The difference between 20FPS and 30FPS is HUGE. The difference between 90FPS and 100 FPS not so much. Regardless of what resolution the app is designed to run at the phone still has to work to stretch it to fit the screen.
As for benchmarks. It's pretty much known that using them to compare phones isn't fair. Quadrant, for example, is usually favorable to Snapdragon, Different SoC's have different architectures, and support different features. That's why I only use benchmarks for comparing performance between different ROM's/kernels on my phone.
FPS: 60FPS is generally accepted as the gold standard. In certain cases lower is ok, but higher is overkill. Nvidia doesn't allow any caps on Tegra 2 devices, while other manufacturers do implement them. This is why Neocore is rarely seen going past 56-58 FPS on any phone.
Whether or not both cores are running is a moot point. The phone is smooth, right? It can run any game in the market, right (except for Tegra 2 specific)? It has enough horsepower under the hood to do pretty much anything you'd want a smartphone to do (except 1080P video recording
). HOW it does it isn't really that important IMO, just that it DOES DO it.
EDIT: Quadrant can be easily cheated.
Resolution will ALWAYS make a difference. If you think 10 FPS doesn't make a difference than you are mostly correct. The difference between 20FPS and 30FPS is HUGE. The difference between 90FPS and 100 FPS not so much. Regardless of what resolution the app is designed to run at the phone still has to work to stretch it to fit the screen.
As for benchmarks. It's pretty much known that using them to compare phones isn't fair. Quadrant, for example, is usually favorable to Snapdragon, Different SoC's have different architectures, and support different features. That's why I only use benchmarks for comparing performance between different ROM's/kernels on my phone.
FPS: 60FPS is generally accepted as the gold standard. In certain cases lower is ok, but higher is overkill. Nvidia doesn't allow any caps on Tegra 2 devices, while other manufacturers do implement them. This is why Neocore is rarely seen going past 56-58 FPS on any phone.
Whether or not both cores are running is a moot point. The phone is smooth, right? It can run any game in the market, right (except for Tegra 2 specific)? It has enough horsepower under the hood to do pretty much anything you'd want a smartphone to do (except 1080P video recording
). HOW it does it isn't really that important IMO, just that it DOES DO it.EDIT: Quadrant can be easily cheated.
Ok...my thoughts...
Resolution will ALWAYS make a difference. If you think 10 FPS doesn't make a difference than you are mostly correct. The difference between 20FPS and 30FPS is HUGE. The difference between 90FPS and 100 FPS not so much. Regardless of what resolution the app is designed to run at the phone still has to work to stretch it to fit the screen.
As for benchmarks. It's pretty much known that using them to compare phones isn't fair. Quadrant, for example, is usually favorable to Snapdragon, Different SoC's have different architectures, and support different features. That's why I only use benchmarks for comparing performance between different ROM's/kernels on my phone.
FPS: 60FPS is generally accepted as the gold standard. In certain cases lower is ok, but higher is overkill. Nvidia doesn't allow any caps on Tegra 2 devices, while other manufacturers do implement them. This is why Neocore is rarely seen going past 56-58 FPS on any phone.
Whether or not both cores are running is a moot point. The phone is smooth, right? It can run any game in the market, right (except for Tegra 2 specific)? It has enough horsepower under the hood to do pretty much anything you'd want a smartphone to do (except 1080P video recording
EDIT: Quadrant can be easily cheated.
The other thing to add when running those higher FPS is heat. The more FPS, the higher the heat generated, especially in these small devices with no air flow. But indeed 60fps cap is plenty, and you really can't see much difference beyond that like you would between 30fps to 60fps.
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I agree completely, I'm satisfied as long as the phone continues to run smoothly. I do still want to know about wether or not the processor uses only 1 core until the other is needed....just out of curiosity.
what? sorry but that is irrelevant. Take a computer graphic card run it at 100fps or turn on vsync, doesn't mean anything, the graphic card is still working like it was, it is just that the frame rate is capped, it doesnt mean the gpu is working any less. it is more about how much the game stresses your card and how graphically demanding it is, whether you are seeing 60 frames or 100 is irrelevant it is still producing same amount of heat.
Think about it this way, if you got a pure graphically demanding game, and it can bearly push 30 frames, it means it is taxing your card pretty good, if you turn down the settings to increase the FPS, does the heat go up? no, you are actually giving your card more breathing room, so less fps doesn't mean less heat, it could mean your graphic card is pused to limit and cant handle the game and will produce most heat, so more fps could mean less heat in some instances because you are reducing the overhead and your grahic card has to process less data.
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Ok sorry I get a little excited and forget about the sensitivity thing we got going nowadays. Will edit
Update: looks like somebody took care of it already deleted my posted LOL.....all I can say is wow! Ok.....geez I am really sorry for the vulgarity of my comment.....
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Well I don't want to veer off topic here. But running at higher FPS does cause more heat. That is completely incorrect if you think otherwise. I only know this by doing benchmarks, and doing testing in games. Ones like Crysis... Anytime the FPS goes up the temp goes with it, because the card is workng harder. This is why I turn on V-sync to cap off at 60fps and I don't have heat issues.
I am not going to argue about this and read my other explanation. This thread will go off course. for the last time, more fps dont mean heat.
Turn up your settings in your crysis, I mean max it out and then run the card, it will make your card ask for mercy and produce the most amount of heat. Once again more fps at lower settings doesn't mean more heat, you can believe what you want its your right. If you dont like my explanaiton you are simply ignoring a valid arguement.
Low settings high fps does not equal more heat. Card working at easier settings.
Super high settings low fps could mean more heat because your card is maxed oout.
Post this at any gamer website and you will get your answer.
V-sync just reduces overhead on a video card, the video cards actually work more effeciently.
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