My point is that 2:1 is better than 16:9. Fact. Why? Because people use their phones primarily for phone calls, texting, social media, and web browsing. 2:1 is objectively better for texting, social media, and web browsing. It means that the on-screen navigation buttons and keyboards take up a smaller portion of your display and gives you more area for reading while still being ergonomically sound. Samsung has been pushing smaller bezels for years now. There is no fanaticism for removable Note batteries. LG is not better than Samsung at software nor are they more innovative than Samsung. They don't make gaudy looking devices. Samsung phones have been considered the best looking phones for several years now. Their UI is the best looking UI on Android and their apps are excellent. LG has the gaudiest UI on Android. Samsung phones have always emphasized software since they began implementing app split screen forever ago. Samsung has had a ton of original designs. LG designs have flopped because they were bad. The last two sentences I said were a fact.
Pixel 2 = Bezelmania
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My point is that 2:1 is better than 16:9. Fact. Why? Because people use their phones primarily for phone calls, texting, social media, and web browsing. 2:1 is objectively better for texting, social media, and web browsing. It means that the on-screen navigation buttons and keyboards take up a smaller portion of your display and gives you more area for reading while still being ergonomically sound. Samsung has been pushing smaller bezels for years now. There is no fanaticism for removable Note batteries. LG is not better than Samsung at software nor are they more innovative than Samsung. They don't make gaudy looking devices. Samsung phones have been considered the best looking phones for several years now. Their UI is the best looking UI on Android and their apps are excellent. LG has the gaudiest UI on Android. Samsung phones have always emphasized software since they began implementing app split screen forever ago. Samsung has had a ton of original designs. LG designs have flopped because they were bad. The last two sentences I said were a fact.
I was going off of the survey from the year prior. Those are the maximum possible numbers. First of all, they ask those people if they have EVER used their phone for music or internet radio. If you used your phone for music once 4 years ago, you would respond "yes". People that only use their phones for music while connected to the Bluetooth in their car would answer "yes". People that only use Bluetooth headphones/earbuds while listening to music would answer "yes".
I'm sure more and more people are listening to music on smartphones in 2017. I'm also sure that less and less of them are using wired headphones/earbuds to do it.
Every sentences in this list was either false or just an opinion. Really needs work.
No it is not false because I disagree with it. They are false statements because this stuff is not been established as fact you are stating your opinions or your sense of how others feel and stating goes as if they are establish facts when they have not been established. If you can point to a survey that randomly selected 50 or more people from around the world and ask them which you why they thought looked the best then you would have something to support your claim. But in fact that survey has not been done and just as a sense from around the forums there are very few people who would agree with that statement. And that says nothing of the vast majority of users of can't tell the difference between a Samsung UI and an LG UI. This is happened in many many threads where you do not know what the difference between a fact and an opinion is and you do not know what the difference between subjective and objective is.
You think every statement you said is true. That does not make it true every statement you made in that paragraph I just quoted can be easily identified as being false. Almost every state been in that paragraph can be easily identified and as something that you have no way of knowing whether it's true or not. So best case scenario you are just guessing and worst case scenario you're just flat-out wrong. I have not told you my opinions on the things that you commented on so you cannot say that me pointing out that your statements have no basis in reality is due to some bias on my part. My bias is towards things being either true or false and it has nothing to do with which phones I prefer or don't prefer.
At this point I'm really having a hard time understanding how you can't understand the difference between your opinion about something or how you think things do work or how they ought to work and what the reality itself is. So if you would like to back up each one of those statements with empirical evidence and show how it is that you drew those conclusions then that would lend some credibility to you. However I have shown that your idea of the concept of most has no basis in reality whatsoever and how far exactly it is off of the reality even when giving you every benefit of the doubt. Your accuracy in this thread is below 10% and that's being as generous as one can be.
So once again I would strongly suggest that you start speaking for yourself rather than for the multitude and people that you can't even conceive of. You literally have no idea what the market looks like yet you keep speaking in generalities about what they must think and feel. That is logically void.
Interesting things that can be inferred about the market:
Most of the market has never owned a Samsung or Apple flagship device.
Most if the market is unaware that the Note 8 launched today.
Most of the market does not care at all about the features, as we think of them, of their phone, at all.
Over 98% of the market has never owned any device with the 2:1 aspect ratio.
Most of the market has never owned a Samsung or Apple flagship device.
Most if the market is unaware that the Note 8 launched today.
Most of the market does not care at all about the features, as we think of them, of their phone, at all.
Over 98% of the market has never owned any device with the 2:1 aspect ratio.
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By the same logic everything isn't 100 percent true just because you think it. You quote percents as if you have stats to back this up.. as if you did studies.. but you never link them. You then state it's fact fact fact.. when it looks like your opinion. You can't tell someone it isn't false because they think it when you're using the same logic to call it a fact when you never present actual facts.
Samsung wins design awards for S7 series
https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-wins-49-if-design-awards
Samsung S7 Edge wins Best Smartphone MWC 2017
https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-galaxy-s7-edge-named-best-smartphone-at-mwc-2017
Samsung wins design awards for S6 series
https://news.samsung.com/us/samsung-electronics-wins-38-if-design-awards/
Samsung S6 Edge wins Best Smartphone at MWC 2015
Galaxy S6 Edge named best 2015 smartphone at MWC | Pocketnow
Samsung's UI is elegant and more attractive than LG's UI
Samsung Galaxy S8 UI
https://fscl01.fonpit.de/userfiles/1799474/image/Samsung/galaxy-s8-review-menu-UI-w782.jpg
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/204914-thumb/Samsung-Galaxy-S8-Review-041-calls.jpg
LG G6 UI
http://pocketnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/LG-G6-Software-3-820.jpg
https://www.geeksquad.co.uk/media/lg-g6-calls-1-1493123107-medium.png
Samsung has been pushing small bezels for years.
4 year old Galaxy Note 3 has better screen-to-body ratio than Google Pixel XL
Chart analyzes phone screen-to-body size ratios, Galaxy Note is the winner
Google Pixel XL - Full phone specifications
A 2:1 ratio objectively and obviously means that less of your display will be covered by a keyboard and navigation buttons.
Samsung's curved design and small bezels are objectively (and obviously) more ergonomic.
"And even today, there's no functional user interface element that requires the curves, but ask anyone who's used the Note 7 for any length of time and they'll tell you that there's a very real user experience advantage. The phone just feels better, more coherent and deliberate in its creation, when its front and rear curves unite into a symmetrical, ergonomic shape."
https://www.theverge.com/2016/8/17/12516708/samsung-galaxy-note-7-design-curved-display
"LG's G6 packs a similarly long 18:9 screen, but the S8 line's eye-catching curves and impressive precision give Samsung a distinct advantage. Like the G6, the screens on the S8 and S8 Plus are longer and narrower than usual, helping them fit more snugly in your hand.
This is especially true of the S8. I thought I'd prefer the Plus's large display, but there's something reassuring and alluring about this smaller body. For one, my hands never strained while reaching for the screen's far corners, and I never felt like I'd drop the S8 because my hand wrapped around it so well. (The phones' backs are made of glass, though, so they still slide around on tabletops.) "
https://www.engadget.com/2017/04/18/samsung-galaxy-s8-and-s8-plus-review/
"My point here is that, for its size, the S8 Plus is more impressive and defies more expectations than its regular counterpart. Google’s Pixel XL, Apple’s iPhone 7 Plus, Huawei’s Mate 9, and even Xiaomi’s Mi Mix — which also has a bezel-starved display — all feel like oversized bricks compared to the S8 Plus."
https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/19/15354444/samsung-galaxy-s8-big-screen-ergonomics
Other interesting things that can be inferred about the market.
*None of these things you posted are of any relevance.
*Also, that thing about most of the market not caring about features is a complete lie.
Just going to point out all of these are opinions of people obsessed with tech. They still do not represent the market.
This was a valiant effort, yet it proves you're not even trying to grasp what exactly it is that you don't understand.
If you think I'm lying, prove it. Where's your market research?
Better yet, who do you think the average consumer is? Describe them, their lifestyle and how exactly you think they interact with their device.
Also, while we're on the average market, what's your opinion on the approach of Google Allo?
Or if we want to make it multiple choice, who do you think is more representative of average smartphone:
A) you
B) The little old man on the bus
C) The person asking best buy for help porting their contacts
D) A person in a Sri Lanka who may never have seen a Samsung phone in person
A) you
B) The little old man on the bus
C) The person asking best buy for help porting their contacts
D) A person in a Sri Lanka who may never have seen a Samsung phone in person
Holy crap. THirty-thousand words all just to argue about whether all, or none, want, or don't want, or do, or don't, care about BEZELS!??!
I hope this phone comes out sooner rather than later so you guys have something else to talk about. You all are going to wear out your keyboards...
I hope this phone comes out sooner rather than later so you guys have something else to talk about. You all are going to wear out your keyboards...
The amount of rationalization and mental gymnastics you have to do to stick to your preconceived conclusion must be exhausting.
According to you, sales don't mean anything. Design awards don't mean anything. Critic reviews don't mean anything. Customer satisfaction scores don't mean anything. Online polls don't mean anything. Features don't mean anything.
First of all, you made the claim so it is your job to prove what you said isn't a lie. Everybody cares about features -- whether it is the design, the display, battery life, durability, etc. People aren't mindless robots.
lol there are zero gymnastics. You just seem to think the average consumer is moderately educated about technology and has preferences in line with what you or reviewers prefer. The truth is the average consumer is getting devices much more akin to what we see in the Moto E and they have very little, if any, exposure to the whirlwind of high end competition that we are constantly exposed to.
Sales are important, but most of the world isn't buying the devices we're talking about. You seem to think middle class America is the market, it isn't.
Design awards are not given out based on scientific study of objectively superior designs nor are they a consensus of a majority of the market. They're the opinions of super nerds that are obsessed with tech.
Customer satisfaction scores are generally irrelevant to the market at large because the vast majority of the market is never asked about their opinions, nor do they even on the brands that are typically at the top of those charts.
Online polls definitely don't mean anything about the market as a whole, because most of the market doesn't speak the language the poll is written in, doesn't know the poll exists and isn't obsessed with tech enough to be where the poll is taking place.
We've talked before about random sampling. Asking 2000 people on a tech site for their opinions sheds absolutely no light upon the market because 99% of the market is not represented. It's called selection bias. Same reason you can't poll 2000 students at one single college and extrapolate the results to represent the nation. The sample is corrupt and thus so are all conclusions taken from it unless you're careful to limit conclusions to only the market that was actually polled.
These are all simple points. The answer to the multiple choice question was D. And once again you have proved you have no idea what the market even looks like, who is in it and what types of products make up their purchases. Without having even the slightest clue of who the market is, how do you presume to speak on their behalf?
This is why you should tell us what YOU think and prefer and stop speaking for others.
If you're following along, my claim is that you are not qualified to speak on behalf of most of the market, because you have no idea what the makeup of the market is. I have proven my point, but then you accuse me of lying.
Even within the US, more consumers care more about the brand than any features of the device. You gotta get out of your bubble where you're a super nerd who does care and the people you know have at least a basic notion of what's in these devices. The average American consumer is still buying whatever the sales person points out to them at the carrier store.
So not mindless robots, but they are definitely not educated and they definitely do not care. They spend less time wondering about the merits of these devices than you have spent trying to understand what it is you're missing about the point that you cannot speak for the market with any credibility, because you're oblivious to the composition of the market.
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