Pixel 3 XL Unboxing Video (Leak)

Man the drama is high with this phone lol. Maybe I am just getting old ? Idk. I would stress if the camera sucks or something major -- Or if the phone blew up -- etc. A 2% battery difference to me is just so minor that I really doubt anyone would notice in day to day use. Only nerds like us would notice because the spec sheet says so.

I get wanting to understand why it was done -- my assumption? Wireless charging. 2% for wireless charging -- cool I am fine with it. I mean Apple has proven a HUGE battery isn't the *only* factor needed for great life (looking at iPhone).
 
Great hypothetical, but we're discussing generational and competitives differences and what you've described really isn't part of a real world case at this point in tech. Phones are different and there's a lot of variables involved, as you point out. Taking a set of specs and comparing them to different phones, doesn't mean anything either way. Too many variables involved.

Lol. You’re over complicating it again. Put a bigger battery in anyone’s individual phone, and it will last longer. That was the point. You’re arguing 9 ways to Sunday that it somehow, maybe, possibly might not, but it will.

Look, no one is saying software isn’t just as important as battery size in battery life. The point you don’t want to acknowledge is they are not mutually exclusive. I would expect Google’s software to be MUCH better on battery life than Samsung’s , for example. Yet somehow I am getting about an hour more SOT from my Note 9 than from my Pixel 2 XL - whose battery life I was pleased with. Larger batteries are good things. Come to the light ..
 
Lol. You’re over complicating it again. Put a bigger battery in anyone’s individual phone, and it will last longer. That was the point. You’re arguing 9 ways to Sunday that it somehow, maybe, possibly might not, but it will.

I don't think we're discussing the same thing... MY point is that a number on a sheet doesn't make a device better or worse, it's a matter of a lot of factors, as you said.

This all kicked off by it being defined that because 3XL has a 2% smaller battery, that Google "blew it", "was being cheap" etc. MY point is that there are too many factors involved to make blanket statements like that and prejudge the phone from specs.
 
Man the drama is high with this phone lol. Maybe I am just getting old ? Idk. I would stress if the camera sucks or something major -- Or if the phone blew up -- etc. A 2% battery difference to me is just so minor that I really doubt anyone would notice in day to day use. Only nerds like us would notice because the spec sheet says so.

I get wanting to understand why it was done -- my assumption? Wireless charging. 2% for wireless charging -- cool I am fine with it. I mean Apple has proven a HUGE battery isn't the *only* factor needed for great life (looking at iPhone).

I agree..lol
The other problem is people focus to highly on phone cameras , they do a good job at taking social media and sometimes animals or people but that's about it. Pretty much any flagship phones from 2017 now are pretty good
 
I agree..lol
The other problem is people focus to highly on phone cameras , they do a good job at taking social media and sometimes animals or people but that's about it. Pretty much any flagship phones from 2017 now are pretty good

What I want to know is should people autofocus on cameras?
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I would expect Google’s software to be MUCH better on battery life than Samsung’s , for example. Yet somehow I am getting about an hour more SOT from my Note 9 than from my Pixel 2 XL - whose battery life I was pleased with.

The best way to compare this on an apples to pears to oranges basis would be to do the following:

1) take Note 8 average battery life and note the net increase that is observed between it and the Note 9 when only using the same amount of mAh, meaning if we're using 80% of the battery on the Note 8, or 2640 mAh, then we only use the Note 9 down to 34%, because 2640 is 66.0% of the Note 9's battery. That would give us the battery efficiency change from the combination of the Oreo 8.1 vs 8.0 and the SD845 vs the SD835.

2) That efficiency change can be compared to the PX2L to the P3XL in a the reverse process and that may clue us into an expected battery life of the P3XL. This of course assumes that the software differences between Pie and Oreo are just as negligible to battery life as the differences between Oreo 8.1 and 8.0, which is the best case scenario for comparing battery life in Samsung's favor.

3) That value can then be directly compared to the Note 9's actual battery life, without the 14% hindrance to get a good guesstimate of how much that 2% loss on the P3 XL is impacting it's potential battery life compared to that of the Note 9.

All values used as demonstration are giving Samsung the best possible advantage over the Pixel line.

As an example, if the Note 8 was giving people who burn down to 0% an average of 6 hours of SOT, and the Note 9 with the same 100% burn down is 7.5 hours of SOT, then the 80:66 comparison would be 4.80 hours expected on the Note 8 and 4.95 on the Note 9. That means The Note 9 hardware and software, outside of battery capacity, is .15 hours more efficient, or 3.12% more efficient. Applying a 3.12% efficiency increase to the Pixel 2 XL, assuming it also was getting 6 hours, would give the 2XL .19 hours of additional SOT at 100% or .15 hours at 80%. Taking this value times the reduction of mAh would result in 6.06 hours at 100% or 4.85 hours at 80%, both of which are slight increases over the Pixel 2 XL.

The shortcut here is taking the 3.125% * 98% and the Pixel 3 XL should be gaining 3.0625% efficiency from the hardware/software, including the reduction, so battery life should still be better. If average SOT numbers are different, obviously that percentage would change, because it's a ratio, but that's the short version of the methodology.

TLDR If we assume that the Note 8 and P2 XL had the same battery life and that the Note 9 has is 25% better battery life than the Note 8, despite only being a 21.21% increase in mAh, then at a minimum, even with a 2% smaller battery, the Pixel 3 XL will still have better battery life than the P2XL and thus the Note 8. The Note 9 would still have the best battery life of the four phones with these variables. Using numbers that seem more realistic, based on posts in the forums, the P2 XL and Note 9 seem to be very similar and that closes the difference between the P3 XL and the Note 9 to nearly negligible values.
 
Geez even the TLDR is too long.

TLDR TLDR

Simple math to estimate P3XL battery life vs the Note 9, based on the relationship of the Note 9 to the Note 8 and the Note 8 to the Pixel 2 XL. My best estimate, using the values I believe to be most accurate is that the Note 9 will get at least 11.4 minutes more SOT for the average user, but probably not more than 39.9 minutes more SOT, with a median value of 20.9 minutes more SOT for Note 9 users over Pixel 3 XL users.
 
The best way to compare this on an apples to pears to oranges basis would be to do the following:

1) take Note 8 average battery life and note the net increase that is observed between it and the Note 9 when only using the same amount of mAh, meaning if we're using 80% of the battery on the Note 8, or 2640 mAh, then we only use the Note 9 down to 34%, because 2640 is 66.0% of the Note 9's battery. That would give us the battery efficiency change from the combination of the Oreo 8.1 vs 8.0 and the SD845 vs the SD835.

2) That efficiency change can be compared to the PX2L to the P3XL in a the reverse process and that may clue us into an expected battery life of the P3XL. This of course assumes that the software differences between Pie and Oreo are just as negligible to battery life as the differences between Oreo 8.1 and 8.0, which is the best case scenario for comparing battery life in Samsung's favor.

3) That value can then be directly compared to the Note 9's actual battery life, without the 14% hindrance to get a good guesstimate of how much that 2% loss on the P3 XL is impacting it's potential battery life compared to that of the Note 9.

All values used as demonstration are giving Samsung the best possible advantage over the Pixel line.

As an example, if the Note 8 was giving people who burn down to 0% an average of 6 hours of SOT, and the Note 9 with the same 100% burn down is 7.5 hours of SOT, then the 80:66 comparison would be 4.80 hours expected on the Note 8 and 4.95 on the Note 9. That means The Note 9 hardware and software, outside of battery capacity, is .15 hours more efficient, or 3.12% more efficient. Applying a 3.12% efficiency increase to the Pixel 2 XL, assuming it also was getting 6 hours, would give the 2XL .19 hours of additional SOT at 100% or .15 hours at 80%. Taking this value times the reduction of mAh would result in 6.06 hours at 100% or 4.85 hours at 80%, both of which are slight increases over the Pixel 2 XL.

The shortcut here is taking the 3.125% * 98% and the Pixel 3 XL should be gaining 3.0625% efficiency from the hardware/software, including the reduction, so battery life should still be better. If average SOT numbers are different, obviously that percentage would change, because it's a ratio, but that's the short version of the methodology.

TLDR If we assume that the Note 8 and P2 XL had the same battery life and that the Note 9 has is 25% better battery life than the Note 8, despite only being a 21.21% increase in mAh, then at a minimum, even with a 2% smaller battery, the Pixel 3 XL will still have better battery life than the P2XL and thus the Note 8. The Note 9 would still have the best battery life of the four phones with these variables. Using numbers that seem more realistic, based on posts in the forums, the P2 XL and Note 9 seem to be very similar and that closes the difference between the P3 XL and the Note 9 to nearly negligible values.

LOL. You’re a pip .
 
Also, if the P3XL went up to 4 Ah instead of 2% smaller, we could expect it to have 16.62% better battery life, which, given my estimates in the prior post, at 80% drain would equal out to an additional hour of SOT. .99 hours = 59.20 minutes more. So the fact that the P3 XL is NOT a 4 Ah battery is costing those who buy it an hour of SOT compared to what they'd have if it was a 4 Ah battery.

At the same time, the fact that it isn't a 5 Ah battery costs us an additional 1.48 hours of SOT (88.8 minutes), on top of the .99 hours. So why didn't they do that? We could have a total of 2.47 additional hours of SOT per charge Google!
 
I, yes I, want a bigger battery... not smaller. LOL

I and many others are considering not buying the 3XL if it has a smaller battery and a notch.

No one buys a phone for a smaller battery and a notch.
 
I, yes I, want a bigger battery... not smaller. LOL

I and many others are considering not buying the 3XL if it has a smaller battery and a notch.

No one buys a phone for a smaller battery and a notch.

I get that's where you land, but I am curious why the notch is a problem. Can you try to explain your thoughts on it?
 
I, yes I, want a bigger battery... not smaller. LOL

I and many others are considering not buying the 3XL if it has a smaller battery and a notch.

No one buys a phone for a smaller battery and a notch.

I would say it is safe to say it will have a smaller and a notch. So I wouldn't expect otherwise.
 
I, yes I, want a bigger battery... not smaller. LOL

I and many others are considering not buying the 3XL if it has a smaller battery and a notch.

No one buys a phone for a smaller battery and a notch.

The Pixel 3XL is certainly NOTch for you
 
Looks matter when you are buying something you will look at 100 times per day for at least 6 months. That is why I do NOTch want a Notch. now if we can black out the area around the notch and it does in fact come with wireless charging plus a Pixel watch I may be willing to give up my S3 (I have) and Note 9 (I have not purchased yet).

I have not 100% made up my mind, but I am trending towards NOtch just like several others. Again you guys are not buying because of a notch and smaller batter but I may not but because of it. Can anyone say they LIKE the notch?
 
I would say it is safe to say it will have a smaller and a notch. So I wouldn't expect otherwise.

I hear that, but why? Why do that? Why run off potential customers? Why are they copying Apple and doing it poorly?

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Looks matter when you are buying something you will look at 100 times per day for at least 6 months. That is why I do NOTch want a Notch. now if we can black out the area around the notch and it does in fact come with wireless charging plus a Pixel watch I may be willing to give up my S3 (I have) and Note 9 (I have not purchased yet).

I have not 100% made up my mind, but I am trending towards NOtch just like several others. Again you guys are not buying because of a notch and smaller batter but I may not but because of it. Can anyone say they LIKE the notch?

I like what the notch achieves by moving the notifications away from the screen and into the typical bezel area so I do like the notch. From a aesthetic perspective it's not as clean as a non notch display but it doesn't bother me. Would I want it if it didn't free up screen space? Probably not.

As I've indicated elsewhere I'm more upset about the glass back
 
Can anyone say they LIKE the notch?

I don't like how the notches look on any phones, but I do like that they're giving more usable display space. And since this one looks like a cute robot face, that makes it the most attractive notch of all of them, in my opinion. But being the most attractive out of a group of terrible monsters isn't really an achievement, so there's that. ¯\_(o_o)_/¯
 

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