QUESTION : Nexus 5 or Moto X?

[JRDroid]

Re: QUESTION : Moto X or Nexus 5???

I agree. He is dead wrong about the camera though. Even on his own shots, the Nexus HDR is clearly better.

He's also wrong about the battery at idle... On the nexus it is amazing. I don't know what the hell he has running in the background that is eating his battery, but I am not seeing that on mine. Even with lte on all the time I see little or no loss at idle with the screen off. Not even 1% for me.

I agree with him about amoled though. The moto x demonstrates why amoled is the future. But I can't go back after experiencing 1080p...even an anal pixel nerd like me cannot see any pixels on this phone and that is just awesome.

How can you possibly judge the camera based on his pictures better than he can? You didn't see what the setup looked like in real life. You can answer which photo you find more pleasing, but not which is better (assuming better means true to life). He says that the Moto X non-HDR is the most true to life of the pictures. Yes, the HDR+ photo has more vivid colors, but if that isn't true to life, it is a worse picture in my opinion. If you like over satureated colors, then the HDR+ picture will be more appealing. If you like true to life pictures, then, according to Jerry, the Moto X auto is better. I for one am a true to life colors fan.

As far as battery at idle, if he has the two phones set up identically, then he isn't wrong. It may not reflect your usage, but that doesn't make him wrong. If for him, with the two phones set up identically, the Moto X has superior battery life, then that will likely be true for everyone, though the delta between the two may vary from person to person.

In short, unless you have both set up identically as he does and can post results of tests with them side by side like he did, then you have no authority to say he is wrong. You have a Nexus 5, like it, and that isn't a bad thing. It doesn't make Jerry wrong about the Moto X though. There are so many factors that effect perfomance, that even tests doen with the phones set up identical done on different days are not authoritative. The only way to ensure the tests are as objective as possible is to do them the same day, side by side as Jerry did.

 

[JungleLarry]

Re: QUESTION : Moto X or Nexus 5???

I agree. He is dead wrong about the camera though.

Not just wrong. DEAD wrong.

He's also wrong about the battery at idle...

But is he DEAD wrong?

I mean, it's clear Jerry has an obvious bias towards the Moto X. Even though he stated otherwise. And used a Nexus 4 on a daily basis prior to this phone. And has been a card-carrying Nexus superfan for a while....

 

[JRDroid]

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But is he DEAD wrong?

Obviously. The battery is dead. He is wrong. Dead wrong.

 

[JeffDenver]

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Not just wrong. DEAD wrong.
But is he DEAD wrong?

I mean, it's clear Jerry has an obvious bias towards the Moto X. Even though he stated otherwise. And used a Nexus 4 on a daily basis prior to this phone. And has been a card-carrying Nexus superfan for a while....

LOL...here is a comparison of his own sample pics. You tell me.



He's entitled to his opinion, and his opinion is more educated than most. But I don't agree with it. His main complaints with the Nexus 5 camera had to do with software. Which is completely valid...but software can be upgraded. Hardware can't.

 

[JeffDenver]

Re: QUESTION : Moto X or Nexus 5???

As far as battery at idle, if he has the two phones set up identically, then he isn't wrong.

But this may not be a normal experience for the average user is what I am saying. I am running stock and not getting that battery drain. So what is he doing that is different from what I am doing? The average experience is the point of a comparison like this.

When he is saying "omg I get 10 hours more battery life" I think that might be misleading if he has some funky app that is draining Nexus battery a lot more than normal. Several users on this site who have owned both phones are claiming they have the same battery life...are they wrong too?

 

[JeffDenver]

FYI Jerry's thoughts are up: The Nexus 5 vs. the Moto X | Android Central

I agree with a lot of it. His point seems to be "Nexus 5 is better specs but the additions Moto made for the Moto X make it a better experience for most people". He is probably right.

He did definitively answer my camera question though. A direct comparison of the cameras:

 

[JRDroid]

I agree with a lot of it. His point seems to be "Nexus 5 is better specs but the additions Moto made for the Moto X make it a better experience for most people". He is probably right.

He did definitively answer my camera question though. A direct comparison of the cameras:

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He didn't like the Moto X HDR, which is what you are posting. He said Moto X auto was closest to what his eyes saw followed closely by the Nexus 5 HDR+. And like I said earlier, over saturated colors do not make a better photo. True to life colors make a better photo. You can sit here and say you like the Nexus 5 HDR+ photo best all you want, but unless you saw the scene in person you have no authority to say which camera captured the scene most accurately.

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[JungleLarry]

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LOL...here is a comparison of his own sample pics. You tell me.

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He's entitled to his opinion, and his opinion is more educated than most. But I don't agree with it. His main complaints with the Nexus 5 camera had to do with software. Which is completely valid...but software can be upgraded. Hardware can't.

From that article...

If you want me to pick, I'll take the Moto X. HDR is better on the Nexus 5, but tap to focus then shoot is

Do you feel better now? And I think the most important sentence to consider in that whole section of the review is the first one....

If you're buying either of these phones for the camera, you're doing it wrong.

Jerry doesn't care about camera quality on a phone. He's said so many times. To him, "good enough" is good enough.

 

[ultravisitor]

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Don't you people get it? Anyone who prefers the Moto X to a Nexus is wrong.

DEAD WRONG.

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[Infinity]

I have the nexus 5 and will probably get the moto x if sprint ever lets sero users upgrade through motomaker. It's great that we have so many good android phone choices compared to 3 years ago. You really can't go wrong with either.

 

[JeffDenver]

He didn't like the Moto X HDR, which is what you are posting. He said Moto X auto was closest to what his eyes saw followed closely by the Nexus 5 HDR+. And like I said earlier, over saturated colors do not make a better photo.

Using that logic, the Nexus must have the better display, since AMOLED has oversaturated colors, right?

There is a double standard there. Either more saturation is good or is it not. I agree it is subjective, but the opinions don't seem to be consistent with themselves from a lot of Moto X people.

Also; it is not just saturation. The Nexus image is clearly sharper as well.

You can sit here and say you like the Nexus 5 HDR+ photo best all you want

I said no such thing. Read my post. All I did was post the image.

but unless you saw the scene in person you have no authority to say which camera captured the scene most accurately.

I have eyes and can judge photos myself. The people who look at the photos you take probably were not there when you took them either...so what?

 

[JeffDenver]

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Don't you people get it? Anyone who prefers the Moto X to a Nexus is wrong.

DEAD WRONG.

The joke gets funnier every time you post it.

 

[UJ95x]

Re: QUESTION : Moto X or Nexus 5???

LOL...here is a comparison of his own sample pics. You tell me.

View attachment 92258

He's entitled to his opinion, and his opinion is more educated than most. But I don't agree with it. His main complaints with the Nexus 5 camera had to do with software. Which is completely valid...but software can be upgraded. Hardware can't.

Nexus 5 shot looks sharper and more vivid, Moto X shots look washed out and soft

 

[JeffDenver]

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Jerry doesn't care about camera quality on a phone. He's said so many times. To him, "good enough" is good enough.

Yeah, I don't agree with the people who say "OMG buy a DSLR for photos" either.

1) DSLRs are expensive.

2) Would like to carry one device instead of two, kthx.

3) Because they are expensive, if I had one I would not carry it with me everywhere anyway, for fear of breaking it or getting it stolen. My phone is always with me though.

Based on the images actually posted that I have seen, the Nexus 5's quality is as good as anything else I have seen so far short of the Lumia 1020. The drawbacks of the Nexus have to do with software/crappy UI. That can be fixed with updates or 3rd party apps. Software is a lot easier to fix than hardware. If you look at comments on the various forums, and the reviews, camera quality clearly matters to a lot of people even if it does not matter that much to Jerry.

 

[JeffDenver]

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Nexus 5 shot looks sharper and more vivid, Moto X shots look washed out and soft

For the record, I agree with the critics that say that the Moto has more natural colors. I think the Nexus 5's HDR process does add saturation (you can see a difference in color temperature just between normal and HDR modes). Personally, I like it, and I think most people would prefer it as well. I like AMOLED over LCD in general for the same reason.

 

[UJ95x]

Re: QUESTION : Moto X or Nexus 5???

Yeah, I don't agree with the people who say "OMG buy a DSLR for photos" either.

1) DSLRs are expensive.

2) Would like to carry one device instead of two, kthx.

3) Because they are expensive, if I had one I would not carry it with me everywhere anyway, for fear of breaking it or getting it stolen. My phone is always with me though.

Based on the images actually posted that I have seen, the Nexus 5's quality is as good as anything else I have seen so far short of the Lumia 1020. The drawbacks of the Nexus have to do with software/crappy UI. That can be fixed with updates or 3rd party apps. Software is a lot easier to fix than hardware. If you look at comments on the various forums, and the reviews, camera quality clearly matters to a lot of people even if it does not matter that much to Jerry.

The best camera is the one you have with you
I have to disagree with the picture quality though. There's quite a few with a far better camera than the 5....

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For the record, I agree with the critics that say that the Moto has more natural colors. I think the Nexus 5's HDR process does add saturation (you can see a difference in color temperature just between normal and HDR modes). Personally, I like it, and I think most people would prefer it as well. I like AMOLED over LCD in general for the same reason.

True but in this picture the N5 blows the X out of the water.

 

[JRDroid]

Using that logic, the Nexus must have the better display, since AMOLED has oversaturated colors, right?

There is a double standard there. Either more saturation is good or is it not. I agree it is subjective, but the opinions don't seem to be consistent with themselves from a lot of Moto X people.

Also; it is not just saturation. The Nexus image is clearly sharper as well.


I said no such thing. Read my post. All I did was post the image.



I have eyes and can judge photos myself. The people who look at the photos you take probably were not there when you took them either...so what?

I have not seen the Nexus 5 display in person, so I cannot make that judgement, but I am a fan of more natural color reproduction. I keep my TV in a natural color setting, I prefer LCD over AMOLED on phones as far as color reproduction (though some AMOLEDs have picture modes that fix the over saturation and AMOLEDs offer other benefits as well), and I prefer a natural picture to an unnaturally vivid picture. You may not have said you preferred the HDR+, I felt it was implied by what you said by you saying Jerry was incorrect and using the HDR+ picture in your posts as evidence that he was incorrect. I apologize for misrepresenting what was or wasn't said. You have eyes and can judge which photo you like better. When someone is using natural reproduction as their measure of photo quality (as Jerry was in his post), having eyes and preferring one photo over another doesn't give you the authority to say the first person was wrong unless you saw the original scene. You can say you prefer one, but you cannot say he was wrong.

 

[JeffDenver]

I have not seen the Nexus 5 display in person, so I cannot make that judgement, but I am a fan of more natural color reproduction. I keep my TV in a natural color setting, I prefer LCD over AMOLED on phones as far as color reproduction (though some AMOLEDs have picture modes that fix the over saturation and AMOLEDs offer other benefits as well), and I prefer a natural picture to an unnaturally vivid picture.

AMOLED is the future but I agree it is not there quite yet. But man...I love those deep blacks.

You may not have said you preferred the HDR+, I felt it was implied by what you said by you saying Jerry was incorrect and using the HDR+ picture in your posts as evidence that he was incorrect. I apologize for misrepresenting what was or wasn't said.

No worries. I think Jerry himself was implying that natural color should determine which image is better, and I think thats what I really took issue with. I think most people prefer the enhanced colors. Even the iPhone, which a lot of people think takes better pictures, uses more saturation and contrast.

I deliberately did not comment on the picture because I wanted it to be self evident. To me, it is obvious which one looks better. I think if you ran a poll on here with that image, most people would agree.

I am grateful that Jerry did this comparison, because I have not seen a lot of direct comparisons like that for the Nexus and Moto X. Where it is the same subject, same lighting, same mode, ect. Now when we have these "Moto vs Nexus" discussions on here (and I am sure this won't be the last) we will have direct comparisons to reference.

 

[ultravisitor]

I think Jerry himself was implying that natural color should determine which image is better, and I think thats what I really took issue with.

I think you're reading a bit more into what he said than is actually there. He said:

"I have a table I take all my pictures on. It's lit with lights leftover from a fish tank, and the lamps are really bright and mimic daylight very well. I have a handful of little Android figures there, because they make for a less boring background in pictures of phones and tablets. I put a smartphone attachment on my tripod, and placed it 21-inches away then took these pics. You look at them, and you decide — I can't give you any better than these in a completely controlled environment. For what it's worth, the non-HDR shot from the Moto X is what it looks like to my eyes, with the HDR+ shot from the Nexus 5 a close second."

I don't see anything there suggesting that he thinks natural color should determine the quality of the image.

Really, though, he thinks it's a toss up between the two cameras. I agree with him there, just as I agree with him that most smartphone cameras these days are good enough for what they are.

 

[JeffDenver]

I think you're reading a bit more into what he said than is actually there. He said:

He was kinda all over the place:

You look at them, and you decide ? I can't give you any better than these in a completely controlled environment. For what it's worth, the non-HDR shot from the Moto X is what it looks like to my eyes, with the HDR+ shot from the Nexus 5 a close second."

It is like he was afraid to give an actual opinion on them. That being said, giving us those controlled shots from both cameras was very useful. These "Nexus vs whatever" articles would be very valuable to me if I was in the market for a phone. They should do this with all the major phones whenever a new one comes out.

I do like the Moto X, and if I was still stuck on Verizon, it would be a close call between that or the G2. I am a fan of Vanilla Android and the Moto X, IMO, demonstrates what other vendors SHOULD be doing with their own UIs.