*Quick* Galaxy s9 or Pixel 3?

[wtbryson]

I think you should go with the pixel because it was just released unlike the S9. The next galaxy isn't that far down the road.

 

[Mike Dee]

I think you should go with the pixel because it was just released unlike the S9. The next galaxy isn't that far down the road.

I believe they already bought it

 

[wtbryson]

I believe they already bought it

My fault. I should've paid more attention.

 

[Ms Mer]

Had a Samsung Galaxy S9 and switched over to the Pixel 3. Couldn't stand all the duplicate and unused apps that you couldn't uninstall or disable on the Samsung phone, and the zillions of settings that appeared in multiple places in the Settings app. I mean, Bixby, come on Samsung. For any given Google app, Samsung will do their own version, and not let you remove it from the phone if you prefer the Google version. The S9 screen was fine, and the phone was fast enough. Got tired of waiting for Android security updates as well.

Love the barebones Android on the Pixel, the screen is great, and regular security updates. The phone feels faster than the S9, and in fact may be a touch faster due to having a lot less software on it. When I got the S9 I was aware of the Samsung excess software problem, but I figured if the Android security updates came out regularly, I'd put up with all the rest. Well, that didn't happen .

Anyways, love the Pixel 3, and much prefer it over the Samsung S9.

 

[DJCBS]

The S9 is the vastly superior phone in every way. The hardware is better - headphone jack, IP rating, better build, better screen, notification LED, expandable storage - and the software is years better - no glitches, full system-wide theme engine to get rid of the "we will blind you" whites of Google, better split screen, better navigation, better customisation and controls over the phone.

 

[Mike Dee]

The S9 is the vastly superior phone in every way. The hardware is better - headphone jack, IP rating, better build, better screen, notification LED, expandable storage - and the software is years better - no glitches, full system-wide theme engine to get rid of the "we will blind you" whites of Google, better split screen, better navigation, better customisation and controls over the phone.

Lots of opinions here and as far as I know the Pixel 3 has an IP68 rating.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

The S9 is the vastly superior phone in every way. The hardware is better - headphone jack, IP rating, better build, better screen, notification LED, expandable storage - and the software is years better - no glitches, full system-wide theme engine to get rid of the "we will blind you" whites of Google, better split screen, better navigation, better customisation and controls over the phone.

Whoops there's a falsehood about the screen. And the IP rating.

But you also left out the vastly superior security, support for updates, better software, vastly superior camera, better performance on both speed and battery life, better AI integration, etc in the Pixel's favor. Seems a little biased.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

Lots of opinions here and as far as I know the Pixel 3 has an IP68 rating.

You are not mistaken, people just seem to like saying untrue things a lot.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

I missed that they said better navigation.

The 2011 ice cream Sandwich and buttons being presented in the wrong order is an improvement over anything more recent than that? That sounds made up.

 

[DJCBS]

Whoops there's a falsehood about the screen. And the IP rating.

IP rating on the Google phone: IP67.
IP rating on the S9: IP68.

So no, there's no falsehood. I said the hardware is better and it is. The IP rating on the S9 is better.

The screen is also superior. No matter how you try to twist it.

But you also left out the vastly superior security, support for updates, better software, vastly superior camera, better performance on both speed and battery life, better AI integration, etc in the Pixel's favor. Seems a little biased.

- The S9 has got ALL the monthly security updates on time. Your point is moot.

- The S9 has two years of major updates guaranteed. Security updates isn't clear but the S7 is still getting them so...moot point.

- The software on the S9 is YEARS ahead of stock Android. People praising "stock Android" are like iSheep praising "iPhone innovations" (ie. stuff that everyone has had for YEARS).

- The camera on the S9 beats the iPixel camera, whether you like it or not. The only thing the Google camera is good for is to produce fast-food-pictures for instagram. The hardware is inferior and it lacks any manual mode whatsoever that allows you to control the photos you're taking. Instead it forces its unicorn-barf on the pictures.

- "better performance on both speed and battery life"...ahahahahahah I could point you to the DOZENS of articles about the iPixel slowing down, crashing, getting bugs that thwart the use of the phone...but I trust you know how to use Google

- "better AI integration"...you mean Google's spyware? Yes, it does. And if you're into that, sure, get the iPixel. If on the other hand you value your privacy or, you know, live outside 'murica, the S9 is better.

I don't need to be biased. The S9 is objectively a vastly superior phone. Google's phone is nothing more than an iPhone-wanna be, with all the bad things about the iPhone and none of the good things (like the industrial design which Apple at least still does better than Google).

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

IP rating on the Google phone: IP67.
IP rating on the S9: IP68.

So no, there's no falsehood. I said the hardware is better and it is. The IP rating on the S9 is better.

The screen is also superior. No matter how you try to twist it.



- The S9 has got ALL the monthly security updates on time. Your point is moot.

- The S9 has two years of major updates guaranteed. Security updates isn't clear but the S7 is still getting them so...moot point.

- The software on the S9 is YEARS ahead of stock Android. People praising "stock Android" are like iSheep praising "iPhone innovations" (ie. stuff that everyone has had for YEARS).

- The camera on the S9 beats the iPixel camera, whether you like it or not. The only thing the Google camera is good for is to produce fast-food-pictures for instagram. The hardware is inferior and it lacks any manual mode whatsoever that allows you to control the photos you're taking. Instead it forces its unicorn-barf on the pictures.

- "better performance on both speed and battery life"...ahahahahahah I could point you to the DOZENS of articles about the iPixel slowing down, crashing, getting bugs that thwart the use of the phone...but I trust you know how to use Google

- "better AI integration"...you mean Google's spyware? Yes, it does. And if you're into that, sure, get the iPixel. If on the other hand you value your privacy or, you know, live outside 'murica, the S9 is better.

I don't need to be biased. The S9 is objectively a vastly superior phone. Google's phone is nothing more than an iPhone-wanna be, with all the bad things about the iPhone and none of the good things (like the industrial design which Apple at least still does better than Google).

You just made 11 statements and all 11 of them contain lies.

Do you want to go revisit what you're trying to promote here or are you just going to accept that you have no grasp of reality whatsoever?

if you want a point-by-point teardown I'm willing to do that but I think it's a waste of time. Let me know if that's needed.

 

[DJCBS]

You just made 11 statements and all 11 of them contain lies.

Do you want to go revisit what you're trying to promote here or are you just going to accept that you have no grasp of reality whatsoever?

if you want a point-by-point teardown I'm willing to do that but I think it's a waste of time. Let me know if that's needed.

All of them contain facts. I know you have a hard time dealing with those but that's none of my business.

Keep living in your fantasy world where the iPixel is a good phone. Just don't try to BS others with it.
I'm not going to further engage with you, lest this gets ugly and I already know how biased towards Google AC is.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

All of them contain facts. I know you have a hard time dealing with those but that's none of my business.

Keep living in your fantasy world where the iPixel is a good phone. Just don't try to BS others with it.
I'm not going to further engage with you, lest this gets ugly and I already know how biased towards Google AC is.

Okay give me a few minutes I'll do a point-by-point teardown.

And to be specific I said lies and not mistakes because you know all 11 of them are false.

You as an individual have routinely spreaded misinformation on both the comments and within the forums.

I don't know what Android central's bias is but I do know that my bias is towards things that are factually accurate.

As a first example the IP ratings of both devices are IP68.

As a second example the S9 has a slightly inferior display to the Note 9 which has a roughly equal display to the Pixel 3 XL. The Note 9 is better at Max brightness wild the pixel 3 XL is better at color accuracy and lower reflection.

You can Google both of those things and find out that both of those statements I just made are true. Or use bing if that serves you better.

I can address the other nine obvious lies later.

 

[DJCBS]

Okay give me a few minutes I'll do a point-by-point teardown.

And to be specific I said lies and not mistakes because you know all 11 of them are false.

You as an individual have routinely spreaded misinformation on both the comments and within the forums.

I don't know what Android central's bias is but I do know that my bias is towards things that are factually accurate.

As a first example the IP ratings of both devices are IP68.

As a second example the S9 has a slightly inferior display to the Note 9 which has a roughly equal display to the Pixel 3 XL. The Note 9 is better at Max brightness wild the pixel 3 XL is better at color accuracy and lower reflection.

You can Google both of those things and find out that both of those statements I just made are true. Or use bing if that serves you better.

I can address the other nine obvious lies later.

The only one spreading lies and false information here is you, mate.

Google tells me the IP rating of the iPixel is IP67 like the iPixel 2. If that's wrong, I stand corrected.
I'm basing myself on the information Google provides. I'm not obviously buying a sh*tty phone just to confirm it.

The screen on the iPixel 3 XL is better based on what?
'cause last I checked, when it comes to colour reproduction for example, the S9 provides accurate colour match for the standard sRGB, DCI-P3 abd Adobe RGB. While the iPixel 3 XL fails on delivering colour match with Adobe RGB. Oh and its colour accuracy is only perfect when using the "natural" mode. Not the others.
Everything else on DisplayMate's shout-out was pretty matched.
Except the S9 is sharper - 570ppi vs 523ppi.
And HDR on the S9 is also superior.
Ergo, the S9 has the better screen.


Again, I'm not going to waste more time with your desperate attempts at making a bad phone like the iPixel 3 XL look good. No matter how hard you try.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

IP rating on the Google phone: IP67.
IP rating on the S9: IP68.

Both are IP68.

The screen is also superior. No matter how you try to twist it.

The S9 is slightly inferior to the Note 9, according to DisplayMate. The same source also rates the Pixel 3XL equal to the Note 9, both slightly inferior to the newest bestest iPhone.

he S9 has got ALL the monthly security updates on time. Your point is moot.

This is outright false. Samsung has provided themselves with a goal of providing QUARTERLY updates, not monthly and they have provided exactly 0% of updates to all S9's within 30 days of the update being released publicly - which is already a month later than they received the code to do so.

The S9 has two years of major updates guaranteed. Security updates isn't clear but the S7 is still getting them so...moot point.

I'm sure that you would agree 3 is more than 2. The Pixel has 3 guaranteed ... 2 is not that many.

- The software on the S9 is YEARS ahead of stock Android. People praising "stock Android" are like iSheep praising "iPhone innovations" (ie. stuff that everyone has had for YEARS).

The S9 doesn't even have Pie in an official build yet, and the beta they released is barely up to Oreo standards.... so wtf are we talking about here?

The camera on the S9 beats the iPixel camera, whether you like it or not. The only thing the Google camera is good for is to produce fast-food-pictures for instagram. The hardware is inferior and it lacks any manual mode whatsoever that allows you to control the photos you're taking. Instead it forces its unicorn-barf on the pictures.

The Pixel 2 kicked the crap out of the S9/S9+/Note 9 and the Pixel 3 stops all over the 2. Again.. you're accusing me of delusions, yet refuse to acknowledge the most basic selling point of the phone you hate so much?

"better performance on both speed and battery life"...ahahahahahah I could point you to the DOZENS of articles about the iPixel slowing down, crashing, getting bugs that thwart the use of the phone...but I trust you know how to use Google

Please cite what you're talking about, I haven't seen any articles about any iPixel, let alone one that's constantly crashing. Having used the Pixel 3 for over 5 months now, I honestly have no clue what you're even lying about here. At minimum you're using hyperbole, at best guess this is just outright, disgusting, lying in order to promote your hatred. Are you legitimately contending that reviewers are saying the Pixel 3 is slow or has poor battery life?

"better AI integration"...you mean Google's spyware? Yes, it does. And if you're into that, sure, get the iPixel. If on the other hand you value your privacy or, you know, live outside 'murica, the S9 is better.

Well it has better AI integration AND Google is better than Samsung on privacy. Samsung both gives itself permission to sell user data, as well as actually does so. Google gives itself no permission and does not do so.

I don't need to be biased. The S9 is objectively a vastly superior phone. Google's phone is nothing more than an iPhone-wanna be, with all the bad things about the iPhone and none of the good things (like the industrial design which Apple at least still does better than Google).

You definitely are biased. The S9 is SUBJECTIVELY a better device for YOUR WANTS but not objectively, since it fails at most of the things the P3 is great at, while the P3 does approximately equal to or better than the S9 in all of the things that the S9 excels at. That's a clear win for the P3 when measuring all the possible categories.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

Oh and its colour accuracy is only perfect when using the "natural" mode. Not the others.

First the stuff that proceeding this... the P3 is MORE accurate on the sRGB and DCI=P3 gamuts. And the Galaxy is only accurate in basic mode, which corresponds to Natural.

The other two modes exist only because people are used to the inaccurate default colors of Samsung and LG devices, and therefore wanted over-saturated colors.

Again, I'm not going to waste more
time with your desperate attempts at making a bad phone like the iPixel 3 XL look good. No matter how hard you try.

Ok sounds good, we can quit. But first, what in the world is an iPixel? Are we talking about two different phones? Or is this just more nonsense hyperbole, rather than trying to have an honest discussion?

 

[DJCBS]

The S9 is slightly inferior to the Note 9, according to DisplayMate. The same source also rates the Pixel 3XL equal to the Note 9, both slightly inferior to the newest bestest iPhone.

Except DisplayMate does NOT make a ranking.
They produce Shout-Outs where they make their analysis. Absolutely nowhere in their analysis do they say "this display is better than that one". In fact, they don't mention ANY smartphone other than the one they're analysing and the ones that preceded them from the same brand.

From their Pixel 3 XL Shout-Out

"The Pixel 3 XL joins four Top Tier Smartphone Displays: the Galaxy S9, Galaxy Note9, iPhone X, and iPhone XS Max, that all provide close to Text Book Perfect Calibration Accuracy and Performance that is Visually Indistinguishable From Perfect, so they All received and maintain Concurrent DisplayMate Best Smartphone Display Awards."


Therefore, that claim of yours is BS. Probably made by some tech bloggers who picked up the shout-outs and spinned them according to their preferences.

This is outright false. Samsung has provided themselves with a goal of providing QUARTERLY updates, not monthly and they have provided exactly 0% of updates to all S9's within 30 days of the update being released publicly - which is already a month later than they received the code to do so.

Your claim is outright false.
Samsung HAS provided all updates within the 30 days of the update being released publicly on the S9. They haven't skipped a beat. Not in Europe.
If they have in the US, maybe start by removing carriers from the equation. In places like Europe where the updates come directly from Samsung and carriers have no power whatsoever, the S9, S9+ and Note 9 have all received the monthly security updates timely within the month they belong to.

I'm sure that you would agree 3 is more than 2. The Pixel has 3 guaranteed ... 2 is not that many.

2 major updates matches the 2 years of legal warranty that Samsung is forced to provide by Law in Europe.
Google offers an extra year? OK, good.
Which phone needs more desperately updates? The Google one 'cause it's using a version of Android that's 4 years behind the rest.

The S9 doesn't even have Pie in an official build yet, and the beta they released is barely up to Oreo standards.... so wtf are we talking about here?

Samsung's version of Oreo in itself is more feature rich and better thought than Google's version of Pie.
And Samsung's version of Pie - even while still in Beta - is already better than Google's version of Android Pie is and likely Android O will be. But I'm sure iPixel owners (all 5 of them) will enjoy gestures that don't s*ck, a system-wide dark theme (heck, themes at all), and all other things that Samsung is already providing and Google is nowhere near close to achieving in their version of Android (because they're more interested in forcing their services on people since that's where they make their money anyway).

The Pixel 2 kicked the crap out of the S9/S9+/Note 9 and the Pixel 3 stops all over the 2. Again.. you're accusing me of delusions, yet refuse to acknowledge the most basic selling point of the phone you hate so much?

The Pixel camera NEVER kicked the crap out of a Galaxy. Not in a million years. Maybe it does for teenage girls and people with zero understanding of photography. But people who actually know how to take a photo have NEVER praised a camera like the Pixel one, which delivers unicorn-barf covered photos without any trace of colour accuracy but TONS of post-processing and heavy handed forced unrealistic dynamic range.

Please cite what you're talking about, I haven't seen any articles about any iPixel, let alone one that's constantly crashing. Having used the Pixel 3 for over 5 months now, I honestly have no clue what you're even lying about here. At minimum you're using hyperbole, at best guess this is just outright, disgusting, lying in order to promote your hatred. Are you legitimately contending that reviewers are saying the Pixel 3 is slow or has poor battery life?

Here's a list
https://www.xda-developers.com/google-pixel-3-pixel-3-xl-issues-problems-help-list/

Well it has better AI integration AND Google is better than Samsung on privacy. Samsung both gives itself permission to sell user data, as well as actually does so. Google gives itself no permission and does not do so.

Ahahahahahahahahah you can't possibly believe that BS.
Would you care to provide ANY evidence of Samsung doing that? Also...Samsung doesn't force you to have a Samsung account. Google on the other hand...

You definitely are biased. The S9 is SUBJECTIVELY a better device for YOUR WANTS but not objectively, since it fails at most of the things the P3 is great at, while the P3 does approximately equal to or better than the S9 in all of the things that the S9 excels at. That's a clear win for the P3 when measuring all the possible categories.

The S9 is objectively a better device for 99% of the people.
The iPixel is only good for Google fanboys and long-time iPhone users. It excels at absolutely nothing and provides the users with a limited and locked experience. One that makes anyone wonder what's the point of having that phone instead of an iPhone.

The S9 on the other hand does everything the iPixel does better AND gives people even more freedom like the ability to get rid of Google's services without losing the Play Store, using the phone as a portable computing machine with Dex, having an Assistant that - as useless as Google Assistant - at least can control the phone (which GA can't), and doesn't force people into using services they don't want (by limiting device storage and forcing cloud solutions on people) or carrying around extra dongles because things like the headphone jack were removed for no reason other than copy Apple.

 

[Itsa_Me_Mario]

Except DisplayMate does NOT make a ranking.
They produce Shout-Outs where they make their analysis. Absolutely nowhere in their analysis do they say "this display is better than that one". In fact, they don't mention ANY smartphone other than the one they're analysing and the ones that preceded them from the same brand.

From their Pixel 3 XL Shout-Out

"The Pixel 3 XL joins four Top Tier Smartphone Displays: the Galaxy S9, Galaxy Note9, iPhone X, and iPhone XS Max, that all provide close to Text Book Perfect Calibration Accuracy and Performance that is Visually Indistinguishable From Perfect, so they All received and maintain Concurrent DisplayMate Best Smartphone Display Awards."


Therefore, that claim of yours is BS. Probably made by some tech bloggers who picked up the shout-outs and spinned them according to their preferences.




Your claim is outright false.
Samsung HAS provided all updates within the 30 days of the update being released publicly on the S9. They haven't skipped a beat. Not in Europe.
If they have in the US, maybe start by removing carriers from the equation. In places like Europe where the updates come directly from Samsung and carriers have no power whatsoever, the S9, S9+ and Note 9 have all received the monthly security updates timely within the month they belong to.




2 major updates matches the 2 years of legal warranty that Samsung is forced to provide by Law in Europe.
Google offers an extra year? OK, good.
Which phone needs more desperately updates? The Google one 'cause it's using a version of Android that's 4 years behind the rest.




Samsung's version of Oreo in itself is more feature rich and better thought than Google's version of Pie.
And Samsung's version of Pie - even while still in Beta - is already better than Google's version of Android Pie is and likely Android O will be. But I'm sure iPixel owners (all 5 of them) will enjoy gestures that don't s*ck, a system-wide dark theme (heck, themes at all), and all other things that Samsung is already providing and Google is nowhere near close to achieving in their version of Android (because they're more interested in forcing their services on people since that's where they make their money anyway).




The Pixel camera NEVER kicked the crap out of a Galaxy. Not in a million years. Maybe it does for teenage girls and people with zero understanding of photography. But people who actually know how to take a photo have NEVER praised a camera like the Pixel one, which delivers unicorn-barf covered photos without any trace of colour accuracy but TONS of post-processing and heavy handed forced unrealistic dynamic range.




Here's a list
https://www.xda-developers.com/google-pixel-3-pixel-3-xl-issues-problems-help-list/





Ahahahahahahahahah you can't possibly believe that BS.
Would you care to provide ANY evidence of Samsung doing that? Also...Samsung doesn't force you to have a Samsung account. Google on the other hand...





The S9 is objectively a better device for 99% of the people.
The iPixel is only good for Google fanboys and long-time iPhone users. It excels at absolutely nothing and provides the users with a limited and locked experience. One that makes anyone wonder what's the point of having that phone instead of an iPhone.

The S9 on the other hand does everything the iPixel does better AND gives people even more freedom like the ability to get rid of Google's services without losing the Play Store, using the phone as a portable computing machine with Dex, having an Assistant that - as useless as Google Assistant - at least can control the phone (which GA can't), and doesn't force people into using services they don't want (by limiting device storage and forcing cloud solutions on people) or carrying around extra dongles because things like the headphone jack were removed for no reason other than copy Apple.

9 more statements with 17 lies. But I thought you said you were done? Oh that was a lie too? Do we really need to do this again? I can, but I thought we were done and now feel like you're just throwing as many lies at the board as possible so that it's difficult to spend the time to refute.

 

[anon(10092459)]

@DJCBS I'm used to seeing you spread your propaganda on the blog side. Why even bother with a Google Pixel thread here in the forums since you hate Google so much, and I mean down to the last molecule of your DNA?

 

[Mike Dee]

When someone who has access to the internet can't even get the IP rating correct and states it as fact several times even after being told it's incorrect I have to wonder what the disconnect is.

The thing is everyone who knows anything about IP ratings recognizes that the difference between IP67 & IP68 is marginal at best so it's mostly really irrelevant to begin with.

In the case of the Google Pixel 3 and 3XL it is positively IP68. It's on their site and review sites as well.